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  gwei1984

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11/21/13 8:34:22 AM#41
Originally posted by SavageHorizon

The game is more akin to EQ2 because that's how the game feels when it comes to Zones and loading into most buildings or the building you can actually get into.

If you look at this map you can see the brown non playable areas and the brown barriers between each zone within each faction area. The Zones are not massive or not quite quite as small as EQ2 zones but the game is properly zoned off. The game has natural barriers blocking your way.

http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/map/tamriel take away the brown non playable areas and the map really isn't that big.

The game is more closed of than WOW, LOTRO and more akin to EQ2, i personally think many will have a problem with how zoned off the game actually is but we shall see. One thing is that you do feel like you are playing a TES game and the voices and sounds of the world are spot on.

The animation are still as bad as ever imo, believe it or not that's my main gripe with the game. I can take the zones and loading and barriers but the animation are poor for sure.

Well, the map there in the link says clearly "Come back soon to explore more regions of tamriel!"

So, this is only a part of the world you can play in. There will be more regions opened soon.

Why would you think, that they will only open those small regions for the game? Maybe because you dont have a clue (like many of us), but only pretend to do so?

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  DMKano

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11/21/13 8:38:22 AM#42
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
How will the game feel, like an online world, or like an online game?

100% subjective - entirely depends on each person.

So

yes and yes

yea no

no yes and 

no no

also

sometimes.

All these are valid depending on person.

 

  SavageHorizon

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11/21/13 9:22:48 AM#43
Originally posted by gwei1984
Originally posted by SavageHorizon

The game is more akin to EQ2 because that's how the game feels when it comes to Zones and loading into most buildings or the building you can actually get into.

If you look at this map you can see the brown non playable areas and the brown barriers between each zone within each faction area. The Zones are not massive or not quite quite as small as EQ2 zones but the game is properly zoned off. The game has natural barriers blocking your way.

http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/map/tamriel take away the brown non playable areas and the map really isn't that big.

The game is more closed of than WOW, LOTRO and more akin to EQ2, i personally think many will have a problem with how zoned off the game actually is but we shall see. One thing is that you do feel like you are playing a TES game and the voices and sounds of the world are spot on.

The animation are still as bad as ever imo, believe it or not that's my main gripe with the game. I can take the zones and loading and barriers but the animation are poor for sure.

Well, the map there in the link says clearly "Come back soon to explore more regions of tamriel!"

So, this is only a part of the world you can play in. There will be more regions opened soon.

Why would you think, that they will only open those small regions for the game? Maybe because you dont have a clue (like many of us), but only pretend to do so?

I didn't say they are not going to open more regions of Tamriel in the future, that's been said and it's not rocket science to figure that out. Perhaps you have me mixed up with someone who said they were not going to open more regions.

This is all you have until an expansion or a large content update which could be a year or even longer from release.

I know this because i have played the game but that wasn't actually what i was talking about in the first place. Perhaps you need to reread what i'm talking about which is the game being zoned off like EQ2 and made up of instanced channels.

Anyone who has been following the game knows this is the release map, why would you think otherwise?

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  kabitoshin

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11/21/13 9:31:51 AM#44
If they got the scale of all the zones from the games right, it should be one massive game world.
  keithian

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11/21/13 1:18:00 PM#45
Originally posted by SavageHorizon
Originally posted by keithian
Originally posted by SavageHorizon
Originally posted by keithian
Originally posted by SavageHorizon
Originally posted by Shaigh
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
How will the game feel, like an online world, or like an online game?

Given that the world is made up of layers of instances hiding other players from sight, and that it is phased and quest based... a game.

Not really... Those layers and instances will add to the character and story immersion.... To be honest 500 people running trough the same dungeon and standing inline to kill mobs kills my worldimmersion..  

 

The difference between a virtuall world feeling and an online game feeling comes from a beleivable world, where players can truely interact with the world, where as in most online games game mechanics distract from the world instead of immersing people intoo the world ( like people watching the interface instead of the action in the world) 

 

i think eso will be more of a virtual world, then a game where mechanics distract from the world

For me its a world is when its large, there are no artificial boundaries from loading zones, and it doesn't feel like you are travelling down a road throughout the game and apart from instanced dungeons I think ESO might qualify as a world to me.

Sorry but the game has artificial boundaries and it has loading as well. See those mountains over yonder, well they really look inviting but the problem is unlike Vanguard i can't climb or cross those mountains.

 

 

For the love of god will you please stop comparing the game to Vanguard? That game might have had a border less and loading screen less world, but it was a technical mess for years post one of the worst launches in history and if you think we've forgotten that your being naive. ESO is focusing on exploration and though it won't be as open as vanguard, it certainly appears to be open enough without suffering the same technical messes vanguard encountered. Vanguard, what a great game it could have been, but at least it didn't have loading screens.....yawn. The loading screens in ESO seem minimal as far as loading times and it was a minor annoyance in Skyrim, once of the best RPGs ever. Boundaries seem within each zone similar to any other Elder Scrolls game except this has leveled areas.

WTH are you babbling about lol, the person i was quoting was talking about artificial boundaries of which TESO has and the games has loading screens. Have you actually played the game lol, seriously because it seems to me you haven't. We are not talking about Vanguard technical messes.

How about we compared it to DF which also has an open world and no problems, fact is WOW is more open than TESO. Now being in beta and having played the game on numerous occasions it's not really a problem but don't try to gloss over the fact that the game is not an open world mmo.

Nope it's not similar to any other TES game, for one the game is made up of instances which they call channels and the game has loading between each area. You go on about lotro but even that is more open than TESO, fact.

You sure you have played the game because going by the nonsense you are spouting it seems not.

Oh, and i've played every single TES game out there, TESO is not the same open world style.

For the love of god at least know what you are talking about before quoting someone lol.

 Who said ESO was a pure open world with no loading screens? The question is, is it open enough to satisfy most. If a loading screen isn't dividing cities and feeling super confined like some of Age of Conan's zones or Final Fantasy and the loading itself is super fast, then I don't think most people will care.

My point to you is that there are huge technical and gaming sacrifices an MMO must make when making a game pure open world with no loading screens and no boundaries and any experienced MMOer understands what those would be for a story based themepark which Darkfall is not and I'm glad ESO is not going in that direction. Open world didn't seem to save Vanguard or Darkfall both of which ended up to be niche games. Id rather have a 1 sec loading screen when entering a house (similar to ESO) or a 1 sec loading screen for a HUGE zone than a borderless technical mess like Vanguard was. I believe ESO will feel more open than AOC and Final Fantasy due to the size of the zones and that will be fine to me and most I suspect. Having channels makes sense and if implemented correctly will be a much better choice than not having them.

Cyrodiil is huge and if you can run from one side to another without loading screens (except for dungeons, houses, etc), than that is more than large enough and it will still feel like a world..at least to me.

The game is more akin to EQ2 because that's how the game feels when it comes to Zones and loading into most buildings or the building you can actually get into.

If you look at this map you can see the brown non playable areas and the brown barriers between each zone within each faction area. The Zones are not massive or not quite quite as small as EQ2 zones but the game is properly zoned off. The game has natural barriers blocking your way.

http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/map/tamriel take away the brown non playable areas and the map really isn't that big.

The game is more closed of than WOW, LOTRO and more akin to EQ2, i personally think many will have a problem with how zoned off the game actually is but we shall see. One thing is that you do feel like you are playing a TES game and the voices and sounds of the world are spot on.

The animation are still as bad as ever imo, believe it or not that's my main gripe with the game. I can take the zones and loading and barriers but the animation are poor for sure.

Well EQ2 is like my minimum standard of what I can tolerate exploration wise because though it felt less confined than AOC or Final Fantasy, it didnt feel as open as LOTRO or WOW which I agree with. I guess only time will tell how I feel about the size of the zones. If the are EQ2 like but feel alive, than maybe it won't bother me as much. I doubt you have seen and played through most of the zones because I doubt they have released most of it to testers with their focus probably on earlier level stuff, but maybe you have, who knows. Certainly Cyrodiil for PVP which to me felt very very large when playing Oblivion will suffice as that is larger than any EQ2 zone by far.

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  andrelle

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11/24/13 8:54:09 AM#46
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
How will the game feel, like an online world, or like an online game?

Given that the world is made up of layers of instances hiding other players from sight, and that it is phased and quest based... a game.

Not really... Those layers and instances will add to the character and story immersion.... To be honest 500 people running trough the same dungeon and standing inline to kill mobs kills my worldimmersion..  

Nor mine, good thing that's not how public dungeons work. I'm kind of sick of people pretending that it is. Why don't you actually play a game that has public dungeons before you come up with garbage like that?

And nothing kills immersion faster than a linear pre scripted sequence that magically makes all the other players vanish.

A world is immersive, a themepark ride is not.

Agreed. This screams of SWOTR, which is basically a multi-player version of KOTOR.  Almost completely instanced, no one around.   So ridiculous. Even Blizzard implemented cross-realm play in lower pop areas, so the world would feel more alive with players around. Isn't that what many people want in an MMO? To experience a game with other players? If not, may I suggest the entire Elder Scrolls line of single player games.  Plenty of content there to enjoy solo

  vladww

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11/24/13 8:59:58 AM#47
Originally posted by andrelle
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

 

Not really... Those layers and instances will add to the character and story immersion.... To be honest 500 people running trough the same dungeon and standing inline to kill mobs kills my worldimmersion..  

Nor mine, good thing that's not how public dungeons work. I'm kind of sick of people pretending that it is. Why don't you actually play a game that has public dungeons before you come up with garbage like that?

And nothing kills immersion faster than a linear pre scripted sequence that magically makes all the other players vanish.

A world is immersive, a themepark ride is not.

Agreed. This screams of SWOTR, which is basically a multi-player version of KOTOR.  Almost completely instanced, no one around.   So ridiculous. Even Blizzard implemented cross-realm play in lower pop areas, so the world would feel more alive with players around. Isn't that what many people want in an MMO? To experience a game with other players? If not, may I suggest the entire Elder Scrolls line of single player games.  Plenty of content there to enjoy solo

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  Teala

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11/24/13 9:01:51 AM#48
Due to certain rules, I know some people cannot talk about the game.    [mod edit]

  DAS1337

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11/24/13 11:51:22 AM#49
Game.. I bet
  Badgered86

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11/24/13 8:32:09 PM#50
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
How will the game feel, like an online world, or like an online game?

Game.  Definitely game.

  CatAtomic99

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11/25/13 9:39:59 AM#51
Originally posted by Benjola

They don't make 'worlds' anymore because majority of gamers don't demand it anymore.

The days of couples getting divorced because hubby plays too much Everquest are long gone.

Try playing your MMOs for an hour a day only and see if you mind instances, fast travel or auction houses.

You will actually demand them.

And that's the majority of MMO-ers these days and gaming companies are just supplying that demand.

 

 

I'm sure that's an element, but I really think they don't make "worlds" anymore because MMORPGs are expensive to produce, and no one wants to take any risks. They all just seem to think cloning WoW's themepark approach is the safe bet, even though we've seen repeatedly that that is not the case.

 

  goboygo

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11/25/13 10:23:47 AM#52
Originally posted by artemisentr4

Every "game" is a game and feels like a game while sitting in front of the computer and playing it. Doesn't matter how the game is presented, you will never get "real life" from a game.

 

Now there will be a day night cycle and weather changes, so that is a plus. There will be weather that changes. After the starting areas, I believe the area to run around in should be big enough for exploration, that is a plus. But there will be static quests and nothing really changing all that much in the PvE world. PvP should be more dynamic with the taking/holding keeps, trying to become emperor, protecting supply lines and so forth.

 

But when it comes right down to playing a game, it will always be a game. Therepark vs Sandbox makes no difference IMO. You are still staring at a screen with a mouse and keyboard playing a game.

If you feel every game you play is just a "game" and are unable to suspend disbelief and immerse yourself in the experience, then I don't understand why you even play them.

So unlike you when I like a game enough it feels like a "real life" experience.  I experience joy, anger, tears, exhilaration, I am scared out of my chair sometimes, my heart can race and my palms sweat.  That's why I play computer games because they can and do effect me that way.  I'm sorry your missing that experience.

 

  cura

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11/25/13 12:21:03 PM#53
Originally posted by Benjola

I like a game to play it not live in it thank you very much.

I can't invest unhealthy amount of time in gaming even if i wanted to and even those that have the free time shouldn't, nomsayin'

 

Either way, I'll play this game no mater what.

I've been a long time Elder Scrolls fan, especially the simplistic (read: realistic) combat speaks to me.

If you dont like to live in a game dont play the genre which have "roleplaying" in its name. You have miner with windows installation, should be sufficient for your love of simplicity.

And paraphrasing your signature, i care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage feeling of self righteousness, just not today.

  mmoguy43

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11/25/13 12:21:16 PM#54

With the earliest news on it and the videos it was easy to see that it is very much a game that mimics a world.

Let's build the ultimate MMO 1 feature at a time
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/398555/page/1

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  pmaura

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11/25/13 12:29:15 PM#55
These is theme park hand holding through and through. Once your done with a zone move on to next. No real economy either
  Lord.Bachus

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OP  11/26/13 4:38:57 AM#56
Originally posted by pmaura
These is theme park hand holding through and through. Once your done with a zone move on to next. No real economy either

so what? if the quests and lore are entertaining, and combat is fun..  I will really enjoy it. 

 

In my vision, a themepark can feel like an active world, if the illusion is there you will beleive it, and be immersed in the world and stories feeling part of the work.

 

But many of you reject the illusion even before it is cast uppon you, and thats why you non RPG people will never understand theme parks.

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  Vonatar

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11/26/13 4:51:43 AM#57

Sadly I don't think it will be a world. It -should- be! It's Tamriel and TES fans want nothing more than to run around in it. But I am expecting a game and nothing more, where quests lead you here and there and the zone you're in is just about the quests and then you move on.

 

Look at the faction segregation. Already carved the map into 3 for gameplay mechanics. So it's clear to me that game mechanics > world in the minds of ZeniMax.

 

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OP  11/26/13 6:42:40 AM#58
Originally posted by Vonatar

Sadly I don't think it will be a world. It -should- be! It's Tamriel and TES fans want nothing more than to run around in it. But I am expecting a game and nothing more, where quests lead you here and there and the zone you're in is just about the quests and then you move on.

 

Look at the faction segregation. Already carved the map into 3 for gameplay mechanics. So it's clear to me that game mechanics > world in the minds of ZeniMax.

 

Its a matter of vision, as long as game mechanics are good enough disguised behind an illusion.. In this case lore and the current political situation... Its okay with me.

 

and its not like we can not visit those areas, even better, when we visit those areas we get our own version of the story taking our orrigin into account.

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