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  IsilithTehroth

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11/22/13 5:45:21 PM#401
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
Originally posted by IsilithTehroth
Originally posted by aspekx

"neither the resource nor the man power to create a functional game"

 

when the hell did a lack of resources become lazy?! that's just so unspeakably illogical and unpragmatic as to smack of ideology more than insight.

Seems you skipped over the listed games I mentioned and never played them. Darkfall online had a pretty big development team as did Mortal online.

Darkfall had 15-20 devs during development...That's smaller than MMOs back in 1999

Darkfall 1 was in development for 11 years. Intitially they had a small team but after DF1 launch they had around 50+ developers working on the game. Did you even research before posting this?

MurderHerd

  Gilbortrund

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Joined: 11/12/13
Posts: 29

11/22/13 11:06:42 PM#402

+1 OP

We live in a time where developers no longer want to invest in new  ground breaking ideas and technology. They don't want to spend the time, money and hard work that is needed.  Most are looking for the quick road to millions by putting out trash hoping it sticks. Whether it's Hollywood, television, comic books, or games.  All looking for the next Walking Dead.  The more they can put out and the quicker they do it, the greater the odds for a cash cow.  Unfortunately, volume and quickness do not equate with quality when it comes to mmo's, arpg's, or moba's.

  Tibernicuspa

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Joined: 11/03/13
Posts: 986

11/22/13 11:14:18 PM#403
Originally posted by jpnz

So another 'Back in the old days MMO' rants?

Sorry but that gameplay is now niche.

Sometimes what you like is niche and that means the market might not cater to what you want.

Judging from the almost 100% failure rate of modern MMOs, I'd say its a bigger niche than themepark/WoWclones.

  NaughtyP

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Joined: 12/02/11
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11/22/13 11:18:59 PM#404

I've never been happier than now as a gamer... simply because I am not playing low quality  MMORPGs anymore. I can find loads of indie, emulated, single-player, multi-player, FPS, MOBA and even mobile games that are far more fun than current MMORPGs.

I really did enjoy MMORPGs, but the genre is no longer worth the time, money and effort because good quality gaming simply isn't as common as it is in other genres.

Enter a whole new realm of challenge and adventure.

  winter

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Joined: 8/08/03
Posts: 2271

11/22/13 11:22:32 PM#405
Originally posted by DamonVile
If all 12 of you quit what will the other 48 million of us do ?

 Here, here!

 OP here have a cookie, your story is so sad to bad btw people are dying in RL while you moan about MMO's not making up for your lifes short comings.

 

  Welcome to the real world, sometimes it sucks, fight or give up. Sounds like you've given up so Bubye. ( won't even ask you for your stuff.)

( Sorry I just don't feel like giving a hug to evey person that occasionally gets depressed in their life. I'll take my ban now thank you.)

  TheRealDarkeus

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Joined: 6/26/13
Posts: 288

“I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes.

11/22/13 11:23:35 PM#406
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by jesad
Originally posted by DamonVile
If all 12 of you quit what will the other 48 million of us do ?

Continue to waste your time and money until you become us?

The day I decide games are a waste of time and or money...I wont be sitting around on a forum complaining about it.

Same.  In fact, I will most likely be dead.

 

Gamer till I die baby.... 

  Raquis

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Joined: 3/18/13
Posts: 398

11/22/13 11:24:52 PM#407
I just started playing pc games 3 years ago and I am already tired of whats happening in the mmo geanre.
  winter

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Joined: 8/08/03
Posts: 2271

11/22/13 11:41:51 PM#408
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
Originally posted by jpnz

So another 'Back in the old days MMO' rants?

Sorry but that gameplay is now niche.

Sometimes what you like is niche and that means the market might not cater to what you want.

Judging from the almost 100% failure rate of modern MMOs, I'd say its a bigger niche than themepark/WoWclones.

 Just because you say its a failure doesn't mean it is.

 

 You love DFUW but almost 95% of posters here agree that games a totally failure with one of the worst game developers in the history of gaming. Some people like SW:tor while others state its a big failure posters continue to post how many millions its making or speculate that its still in the red for developwment cost. Me I've had fun with TSW recently, is it a great success? Not at all but it makes enough to stay open and players have fun with it so in my book its not a failure. Does everything have to have WoW numbers to not be considered a failure?

   Should we always state the developers and games have let us down if a game isn't our cup of tea. (because you know of course there's only one real way to play and that's our way, everyone else is just confused if they don't like what we like) 

  there's a lot of rage posts on these forums but its always the Whiney posts that annoy me. These are generally from players that hoped and dreamed too much and forgot all about real world limitations, and basically couldn't stay grounded with their expectations. They drank the kool aid and ate up every bit of Hype the Developers, Marketing and the Media could feed them and then are depressed when their expectations aren't met, and things fall short.

  In the end Gaming has been around for thousands of years in its many different forms, if MMORPG's do die something else will grow to take its place and everyone will jump on that as the next big thing for a bit before they become dissatisfied with that too and start the doom/gloom/misery/depressions posts. life is a cycle, and man is always striving and never really 100% happy/satisfied

  Dwarfman420

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Joined: 6/29/07
Posts: 210

Someone set us up the bomb

11/22/13 11:55:31 PM#409

I'm with ya OP

 

I'm mostly on independent servers that throwback to a golden age that I wanted to go back to in 2 mmo's I loved.

It's 2x harder to get into.

With having a life these days, wife, job etc

and

having to regrind to get back to where I originally was on my old production server days

isn't as fun as the first time of course.

I think years of raiding really burned me out also.

4+ hours a few nights a week. dkp, politics etc adds to the burn

 

I haven't played an mmo that I have found really fun to give me that "if i'm not playing I'm missing something" feel in many years.

There's nothing on the horizon that I've seen or heard to change that either.

Back to my single player, rpg, simulation, action adventure, strategy, fps fun.

 

  onlinenow25

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Joined: 6/26/07
Posts: 282

11/23/13 12:04:03 AM#410
Originally posted by AlBQuirky

 


Originally posted by DMKano
It's not over, most of the genre just evolved to cater to a different crowd.

 

There are indie games in the works that will bring back real danger and penalty for making mistakes in game.

Just don't expect any AAA game to do so ever again.

If it costs a lot to make, it is made for mass market - simple reality.



While I agree, DM (and OP), I often wonder about that last line.

 

Want to know how to cut a MMORPG budget in half? Cut out the voice over work and cut scenes :)

I think you mean Advertising.

 

The average 'AAA' title game has its development cost doubled from advertisement.  There are so many better cheaper ways to advertise a game now, they need to stop doing the old industry standard of TV, and start using the thing their game revolves around The Internet. 

  Tibernicuspa

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Joined: 11/03/13
Posts: 986

11/23/13 12:13:15 AM#411

Can someone name a AAA MMORPG that has INCREASED in population over time, outside of the 3 month launch?

I'd honestly be surprised. It wouldn't be Rift, they merged servers and shrank their staff several times. SWTOR absolutely not, almost everyone involved with that game had to get laid off for it to start turning a profit. Not to mention server merges, FTP, ect ect. Not LotRO. Not Aion. Absolutely not AoC. Not TSW. Not STO. Not DCUO.

The closest I saw was Planetside 2, though they had to merge too, and maybe GW2. (but thats hard to measure)

 

Themeparks clearly don't have the same staying power and long term growth pre WoW MMOs did. And that's largely because of their design.

  XAleX360

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11/23/13 1:47:38 AM#412
All I can say, thank God it's not the same for regular single player/multi player games, and hopefully things will start changing for MMORPGs too starting in 2014.

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  jpnz

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Posts: 3565

11/23/13 2:01:45 AM#413
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa

/snip

Themeparks clearly don't have the same staying power and long term growth pre WoW MMOs did. And that's largely because of their design.

'Long term growth Pre WoW MMOs did'

So UO and EQ which had roughly 500k at its peak after several years in the market is considered to have 'staying power'?

And WoW,  GW2 which has millions still playing (GW2 made 200 million so far since release last year) doesn't have staying power'.

 

Right.

That is some weird logic you got there. /Facepalm

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  Tibernicuspa

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Joined: 11/03/13
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11/23/13 2:22:32 AM#414
Originally posted by jpnz
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa

/snip

Themeparks clearly don't have the same staying power and long term growth pre WoW MMOs did. And that's largely because of their design.

'Long term growth Pre WoW MMOs did'

So UO and EQ which had roughly 500k at its peak after several years in the market is considered to have 'staying power'?

And WoW,  GW2 which has millions still playing (GW2 made 200 million so far since release last year) doesn't have staying power'.

 

Right.

That is some weird logic you got there. /Facepalm

I guess you don't understand business. First off, WoW is a fluke, not even comparable to anything else on the market, and you're just as foolish as the publishers who churn out these failed WoW clones if you think otherwise. As for GW2, nobody knows how many subs it has.

Steady growth and player retention are much better then a boom and bust.

  AwDiddums

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Posts: 387

11/23/13 2:54:43 AM#415
Originally posted by tristanryan

Im honestly tired.

Tired of trying.

Tired of searching.

Tired of gimmicks and false advertisement.

Tired of rude communities.

Tired of lazy and/or scamming developers. (usually both)

 

Maybe im just getting old. What happened to the addictiveness, the spark, the magic, the difficulty and the competition. Every single game is the exact same bullshit. They are all one month wonders with zero longevity designed for someone with the intelligence of a gnat overpopulated with people that think they are genious. What the hell happened? I remember 10-12 years ago just day dreaming on what was ahead and what this genre would become. I remember wondering how amazed we would all be. I remember wondering about how amazing the virtual worlds would be that we would all explore. I remember real difficulty and the penalties if you died or failed. The comraderie and teamwork. I remember real communities. Real friendships and relationships that carried over off the screen. Now its just a huge cesspool no matter what game you enter its total rudeness and hate.

We should be treated with more respect. We spend thousands and thousands of dollars on games and keeping our systems up to spec to stay on top and its all just full of regret now. Total waste of time and money. Tell me a game thats worth the time and i will explain how ive played it and the problems it has.

I work 40-60 hours per week, i take very, very good care of my family but i still have the night. I mostly drink beer, read forums and wonder what the fuck happened.

Sorry for the rant.

I know exactly how you feel, I truly sympathise with anyone that has come to this realisation about their beloved MMO genre.

I don't know if I should say this on an open forum but I know where we can find the very person who triggered all of the terrible changes we have had to endure over the years, the changes that have taken away so much of the harsh gameplay mechanics that we used to enjoy many years ago.

Take a long hard look next time you pass a mirror, there is the guilty person responsible for the current state of MMO's, that person handed over the money to buy the next big thing, that person went to the forums and complained about downtime, that person went to the forums and complained about the lack of mounts, that person complained about the harsh death penalty, that person complained about every single aspect of  MMO's that they wanted changed, but in truth they where just a phase we where going through, our first steps into the genre.

Today we find ourselves in something you wouldn't have recognised if you played at it's inception, but it's been a steady change and for most it's been very welcome, the genre undoubtedly is still growing and some developers are actually really listening to it's customer base rather than dictating to them.

So while I do sympathise with you take a moment and think about why things have changed, you've been playing for a decade plus so your as guilty as the rest of us for having pumped in the needed cash to keep these games alive.

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