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General Discussion  » Poll: If ESO costs $15/month, will you play it?

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  Sovrath

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11/13/13 8:02:11 AM#221
Originally posted by FlawSGI
 

I never stated it was too much nor that I felt they should charge less, that is your interpretation of the message and then you rudely respond and go off on a tandom. Any company can charge anything they want if they feel their product is worthy of the price point and the consumers will like it. I would gladly pay more if a game was out that offered a return in value which none have for years now.The price tag irks me and that is my opinion, but I never said it was too low or too high.

Sorry you thought it was "rude' I thought it was "matter of fact".

here is what you said:

 I voted no on principle. If it were a different price then maybe, but I have a thing with the $15 price since there is no real justification other than because it is the industry standard. Has nothing to do with being able to afford it, just don't agree with that number anymore.

And that is why I responded the way I did because I"m saying there is a justification. I'm saying that business should be charging more but because of industry standard and the perception of cost they have to keep it that LOW. Therefore they add the cash shops and hope that a small amount of people will take up the slack.

So no going off on a Tangent.

  Thoemse

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11/13/13 8:06:12 AM#222

Sub based games are cheaper for the masses. With some exceptions most F2P titles will cost you at least the amount of a sub over time unless you got the time for crazy grind.

 

If it's a good game i'd pay 20 bucks a month as long it entertains me.

It has to deliver first though. If it is yet another fantasy MMO without any new ideas i will stay the hell clear of this one.

  Mothanos

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Joined: 10/20/10
Posts: 1887

11/13/13 8:16:15 AM#223

From what i have seen so far its not worth a sub.
If they do or will make it a sub based mmo then goodluck to them and pray they got a plan b ready within a few months.
Also pray investors have patience.

FFARR showed its still posible to have a sub, but they also said they dont care if it takes 5 years to earn their investment back.
Most studio's dont have that time.
Specialy studio's that are funded by said investors.

But lets be honest to each other....we have seen alot of promises from studio's and it all boiled down to hype, lies, dumbed down easy mode gameplay mmo's that offer nothing new or interesting.

Sad days for mmo's lately.

  gervaise1

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11/14/13 6:02:46 PM#224
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by FlawSGI
 

I never stated it was too much nor that I felt they should charge less, that is your interpretation of the message and then you rudely respond and go off on a tandom. Any company can charge anything they want if they feel their product is worthy of the price point and the consumers will like it. I would gladly pay more if a game was out that offered a return in value which none have for years now.The price tag irks me and that is my opinion, but I never said it was too low or too high.

Sorry you thought it was "rude' I thought it was "matter of fact".

here is what you said:

 I voted no on principle. If it were a different price then maybe, but I have a thing with the $15 price since there is no real justification other than because it is the industry standard. Has nothing to do with being able to afford it, just don't agree with that number anymore.

And that is why I responded the way I did because I"m saying there is a justification. I'm saying that business should be charging more but because of industry standard and the perception of cost they have to keep it that LOW. Therefore they add the cash shops and hope that a small amount of people will take up the slack.

So no going off on a Tangent.

No - not really - and sort of ...

1. Paying for network services is justified but not $15 a month; $15 a year might be to much! (Will depend on the game).

2. Paying for new content is justified.

3. Paying for the initial product is justified.

The options available to a publisher to recover the justified costs are varied. Buy-to-play with or without a sub. Free-to-Buy; Free-to-play; paid for DLC; free extra content.  Publishers will try to differentiate their games whilst having one eye or "what the market" will bear. Most of the successful mmos charge for all three - but we tend not to think of them as mmos.

Take FIFA as an example. Arguably the ultimate instanced mmo. Millions of players developing their avatars (teams) engaging in millions of 2 player instances every day (matches). And depending where in the world you are it will be B2P or F2P; have paid for DLC or cash shop purchases; lifetime passes or season passes.

Something like Assassin's Creed may be more obvious example but for all intents when you are talking about what is and what isn't justified FIFA when charging FIFA is just as much an mmo as TESO will be.

 

From a business point of view over-charging for network services and providing "free" extra content is a very risky approach. The publisher is gambling on people buying the game and staying subscribed for a long period of time. And recent experience says that this is not what people do. People buy the game, subscribe briefly; leave; and may come back several months later to burn through the new content before leaving again. Yep subscribers can be free loaders.

 

So, imo, TESO should adopt a business model aligned with games that have been successful recently - FIFA, Battlefield, CoD, Assassin's Creed etc. - rather than the model that has failed the likes of SWTOR and TSW.

 

  Heavy-armor-warrior

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Joined: 11/03/13
Posts: 226

Hey is for horses and so is grass. So pucker up and kiss my...well nvm

11/14/13 6:41:36 PM#225
"wait for it to go f2p" is kind of an arrogant answer. I mean, this could be the best subscription based game ever....
  Distopia

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11/14/13 6:46:36 PM#226
Originally posted by Mothanos

From what i have seen so far its not worth a sub.
I

What exactly have you seen that would say that the game is or isn't worth a sub at this point?

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  Iselin

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11/14/13 6:47:37 PM#227

...and then there's GTA V. I guess if you sell $1 billion in 3 days you don't sweat the small stuff like sub fees for the online game.

Devs do have to walk a fine line: other than the ultra hardcore fans who will pay whatever, if they're perceived as money grubbing bastards, their credibility will suffer.

Not going to name names but selling Alpha access + a few gizmos and titles for close to $100 will cause many to stop feeling warm and fuzzy about the company that does that.

 

Having said that, I'd still rather pay a "membership fee" and not be subjected to subtle or blatant advertising than have it be "free" and have all those little reminders of what else I could get for "just a few bucks" more.

  Torvaldr

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Joined: 6/10/09
Posts: 6133

11/14/13 6:58:37 PM#228
Originally posted by Thorkune
I will only sub right before it goes F2P so I can get post F2P veteran rewards.

I like this plan. It sounds opportunistic to me.

Curse you AquaScum!

  Xirik

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11/15/13 2:41:56 PM#229
Definitely subworthy to me.

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  PieRad

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11/15/13 2:59:51 PM#230

Weird poll....

 

Yes I will play for $15/month, No I will not pre-order.

  Sassy_Gay_Unicorn

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Posts: 84

11/15/13 3:17:12 PM#231

As almost every MMORPG I have ever played 'gave' you the first month free I don't think it is an issue. But sure, I would pay $15/month for a game I enjoyed. I would pay double that. 

I am one of those people who, rightly or wrongly, views value in MMOs as an equation of time spent vs. investment. So an MMO with a $15 fee is $0.50/day, played or not. Not a great value on the days I don't play it, sure, but in the scheme of things a negligible loss.

Now, if I play for four hours one day, then I spent twelve and a half cents an hour to be entertained. Quite a bargain.

Subs have financial drawbacks, but they also keep a lot of gold spammers at bay, and to a lesser extent the griefers and immature (though they are also in there, no doubt, just less than in a FTP game).

 

  Pigglesworth

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11/15/13 5:21:01 PM#232
$15 is about the same as a movie. I would rather experience the story for 80+ hours a month than watch the story for 2 hours.

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  Malinkadink

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11/17/13 1:02:49 AM#233
Honestly no, i won't pay $15 a month or whatever it will be to play this game. I am okay with buy 2 play though. After experiencing the quality of Guild wars 2 even though it was a themepark to the max and it only being buy 2 play theres no reason why i would pay a sub again for an mmo unless it was a better experience than WoW and the mmo we have all been waiting for, otherwise no thanks, it'll be f2p in a few months after launch anyways 
  FrodoFragins

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11/17/13 1:09:30 AM#234

I have no interest in it as a sub based MMO. ZERO.

 

If Guild Wars couldn't keep my interest, there's no way ESO will.

  FateAki

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Joined: 11/13/13
Posts: 2

11/18/13 1:14:14 AM#235
No, I won't pay for a subscription. While 10$ isn't much, it's a choice I made as a gamer: only play it free or with beta keys. If I barely have enough money to survive till the end of the month, I won't use my parents' money (I am an uni student) for something like a game. There's only one single exception in my entire life - and ESO is not part of it.
  Shadanwolf

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Posts: 1903

11/18/13 1:20:05 AM#236

I won't buy the game if i cannot try it first.

(yes I signed up for beta testing)

  waveslayer

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Posts: 359

11/18/13 4:02:10 AM#237
Yes I will play, $15 a month is nothing, especieliy if the game is good and the updates are steady and frequent.

Godz of War I call Thee

  Sk1ppeR

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Posts: 534

11/18/13 4:08:27 AM#238

Hehe. The poll is funny. On the one side we have the "OMG OMG I NEEDZ SUB GAMES OR ELSE ITS P2W AND CASH SHOP CRAP" kind of hypsters, on the other hand we have the F2P players who refuse to spent a dime on an entertainment product :D 

But yeah, I won't stand the idea of getting robbed each and every month when I've payed the box price. Give me content worth of sub every 2 weeks, then I can think about it! Promises of content every X months is bull****. Unless my conditions are met you can take your sub MMO and shove it you know where.

  Raquis

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Posts: 418

11/18/13 4:09:01 AM#239

the hole point of an elders scrolls game is to explore and now cause of the subscription people are going to run through the game.pitty they should have had a small sub like 5$ and a cash shop.

 

  Sk1ppeR

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11/18/13 4:13:04 AM#240
Originally posted by waveslayer
Yes I will play, $15 a month is nothing, especieliy if the game is good and the updates are steady and frequent.

15$/mo. is not only a robbery, it also turns you into a slave to the game and takes your choice away. What if you want to play 5 subbbed games at the same time? P2P is a broken model... Sure i'm a fan of Elder Scrolls. But that doesn't mean I'm supposed to play ONLY elder scrolls in my free time. I'm playing Skyrim even today when I'm completely bored and that happens once or twice per month. Should I pay 15$ for ~10 hours? Hell no...

I really do not understand you people. You are willingly offering your free time AND money to a single product xD

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