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News & Features Discussion  » [General Article] Firefall: The Shocking Beta Update

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OP  11/11/13 6:56:23 PM#1

Firefall has been in beta for a...long time. Today, we take a look at what's upcoming in the next beta patch for the game. See what we found out before heading to the comments to talk it over.

In the last couple months Firefall has gone through a slew of changes. Red 5 Studios dipped their feet in the water at Sunken Harbor with open world PvP and got their toes bit off. Soon after that grand experiment (something the players shouted from the heavens they wanted so badly), they removed it due to lack of interest and getting in the way of the PvE. They also disabled PvP all together. Coming from a game that started out as a PvP eSport-oriented MMO, I was surprised they totally shut it down. In my opinion, it was a good thing to do because the game was suffering being split in two directions. With PvP disabled, the team has a chance to focus on the PvE aspect of the game for now. Something that it needs badly.

Read more of Scary Booster's Firefall: The Shocking Beta Update.

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11/12/13 1:12:17 PM#2
I have been a founder for many years as well. I lost interest when I saw the crafting. That sucks in the game with so much potential. I like the scifi, the idea of the game, the game play, but the crafting sucks. Its the future, its another planet, its scifi, and they have this lame ass crafting skill. BORING!


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11/12/13 1:16:55 PM#3
Such a let down..I've been a founder forever mainly because of the promised esports action.  Promising something then just removing it is pretty shady.


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11/12/13 1:21:25 PM#4
I like the grafting! It is true the game has gone into different direction. But given time. I feel that it will be a direction that will be better than the original design. In so many ways Firefall is a unique online gaming experience. Because of this uniqueness it will take several iterations to get the gameplay right.

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11/12/13 1:28:20 PM#5

Founder too, Commander, and as much as I originally loved Firefall and what Red5 were trying to do, they have gone back on everything they have done so many times that ive completely lost faith. I cant put any confidence in anything they are doing or saying anymore, and I doubt at this point we will ever see a version of Firefall anything close to complete in the mmo sense. 

I would love to see them prove my above opinion wrong, but I certainly will not support them any further until things change drastically and stay on track for a length of time.

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nanu nanu

11/12/13 1:36:14 PM#6

I have been watching from a distance waiting for release. Was stunned to learn PvP was taken out as that was going to interest me most.

TIP: Do PvP ala Halo and you WIN WIN WIN! Easy solution.


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Joined: 11/10/13
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11/12/13 1:42:59 PM#7

The company has outright admitted that they can't do much of what they originally wanted to because of both budget and engine limitations.

They've also wasted countless amounts of time & money re-doing game systems over, and over, and over again, almost as if they have a complete lack of any sort of direction.

Dropping the lackluster & unpopular PvP was a good step in the right direction however, so maybe there is just a sliver of hope for the game yet. Hell, just look at FFXIV & Marvel Heroes, both games were absolute dreck at launch, but were (and still is, in MH's case) slowly transformed into something fun & worthwhile.

Example of a common core math problem: If you have four pencils and seven apples, how many pancakes will fit on the roof? Purple. Because aliens don't wear hats.


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11/12/13 1:43:55 PM#8
As for PvP I think it will return in thee form of faction PvP, Accord vs Chosen. This is part of a distant future however.

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11/12/13 1:49:01 PM#9
It's not another planet,,,it's earth. PvP was back the other night..I found out rather rudely after an invasion at SH. As far as I am concerned it is the best game I have played to date. Last night at one of the watchtowers three of us had an all out battle to win it back. It was the one in the north east corner where all of the melding creatures spawn (as well as Chosen).

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11/12/13 1:49:46 PM#10

New instanced dungeons for 2-5 players (Cliff’s Edge and Tanken Cove).

how did this get passed me?- didnt know abt this? ive taken a FF break(right after the annoucements about their stability & bugs focus-something i never ran into but hey...) which i greatly needed- but ive always been impressed with their updates-ill haveto check them out!!!



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11/12/13 1:50:27 PM#11
Camelot Unchained best not go through the alpha/beta stages this game did. :)


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11/12/13 1:54:48 PM#12
The day  the word and the concept itself of "E-Sport" will disappear maybe the industry will return to develop better online games.

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11/12/13 1:58:08 PM#13
OP  your Open World pvp comment failed, i think you missed it completely!!!???!!  the so called "open world pvp" you refer to is a sectioned off little area right outside Sunken Harbor.  theres no objective there, no incentive to go there, basically theres nothing to do there other then duel?  so ya they completely F'd up on that.  theres NO risk vs reward.  its just risk.  i dont think, wait i KNOW the community NEVER had that in mind when someone speaks of open world pvp.  its basically a little sectioned off area where you can duel, its like instanced pvp without the instance plus no objective.  so ya they basically failed at it.  if they were to bring TRUE Open World pvp to the game it would be awesome.  like they talked about along time ago- warplots/bases, base building territory control, pvp hotspots, etc etc.....   sadly this hasnt happend (yet, *crosses fingers*).

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11/12/13 2:20:44 PM#14
Based on the article, aren't all MMOs in Beta?

I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil


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11/12/13 2:25:58 PM#15
It's nice to see the game still improving. I've taken a break and am playing something else but I haven't given up on FF yet.

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11/12/13 3:44:04 PM#16
I lost interest when I heard the pvp had 0 consequences or meaning.

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11/12/13 4:45:02 PM#17

I think this article was extremely misleading about the state of the game. The game has nearly weekly updates or hotfxes?! Maybe I misread that, but the statement is false. It is rarely weekly, and the so-called fixes break more than they are originally intended to fix, and so more often than not subsequent fixes are done to try to "fix" the previous fix. It really is a never ending cycle, and in the end nothing is ever really fixed. Don't believe me? Check the patch notes. It wasn't until last month that a major patch went out with over 150 bug fixes to finally deal with a portion of the bugs that have been still lingering in game since open beta launch this past summer. (whew, that's a lot of use of the word "fix"). 


As for things that have been added, it may sound like a lot, but it isn't really. More things have been taken out of the game or rearranged than anything increased, so the game doesn't really feel as if it is growing at all. Basically it's just a new user experience that was updated, a few ARES missions, and a redesign of things that were already in place (just because you slap a proverbial "new coat of paint" on something doesn't in fact make it new). Oh, and 1 new battle frame. That's it. So for this article to hype the game like so much has been done in it is quite annoying. I play the game but I'm not blind.


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11/12/13 4:58:44 PM#18
These changes interest me enough to come back & try it again. Main issue for me was how bland the game felt.

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11/12/13 5:55:36 PM#19

Dear OP, the problem is the game is not in ALPHA/BETA.  

The game is in Release/Concept Design. In other words the dev team has absolutely no idea where the fuck they are.

They have zero direction and have redesigned the game 4 times now since I originally joined them three years ago. 

However, that has not stopped them from selling us packs, and implementing a release version cash shop. Sadly in their chaos they have taken away things they have sold us more than once.

I finally got wise to these morons three months ago and finally uninstalled.

I count the money I spent a lesson learned and I for one will NEVER go back. 



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11/12/13 7:52:32 PM#20
I like this game. The changes seem okay. I just enjoy running around the world, shooting stuff up, the crafting, and the character progression. It's not my main game, but I like to visit now and then. I play for a couple weeks and put it down. After I need a break from the EQ2 ToV expansion I'll likely head back here.

Curse you AquaScum!

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