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  stux

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OP  11/06/13 10:58:17 AM#1

I read a few posts and it appears that way. 

 

How was it?  Can't you bounce off an Asian Proxy server or similar service? 

 

Sure seems like they are pulling all of the optimism out of those still playing.

 

Claus opens up and a decent balance patch makes people exited.  Then it goes silent and there hasn't been a patch since.

 

Asian server opens and people play it and like it?  AV bans them from that server.

 

 I hope they start producing some good patches soon I keep hearing the population is hurting.

  xpiher

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11/07/13 5:42:28 AM#2

Stop misinforming people. MGAME HANDLE THE RULES OF DF ASIA. AV has nothing to do with mGame banning people for playing it from the US. mGame wants to keep it regional because that's what the Asian players want and its somewhat required since the game is released and being hosted in Korea (korea has anit-bullying and anti-online-anonymity laws). 

They simply banned people for having non japanese/korean IP addresses. Sometimes, it was based on a person playing the game too well and being accused of hacking due to killing 8 people by yourself because the players are really bad in Asia since they are playing for the first time, aren't used to full loot, and aren't used to FPS games that play like quake-lite.

The Asian server is generally packed, which is why western players liked it. However, with the bans and the ping its not worth it for them to play really.  


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  DarthRaiden

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11/07/13 7:57:26 AM#3

The asian server is first and formost free of sub. Players in the west don't see why they should pay for such a service like DF:UW .

Way better game  quality and  service is needed to justify the horrendous sub for such a lousy quality.

DF:UW should be free as along as in beta qualitywise.

 

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  bcbully

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11/07/13 8:07:56 AM#4
Originally posted by xpiher

Stop misinforming people. MGAME HANDLE THE RULES OF DF ASIA. AV has nothing to do with mGame banning people for playing it from the US. mGame wants to keep it regional because that's what the Asian players want and its somewhat required since the game is released and being hosted in Korea (korea has anit-bullying and anti-online-anonymity laws). 

They simply banned people for having non japanese/korean IP addresses. Sometimes, it was based on a person playing the game too well and being accused of hacking due to killing 8 people by yourself because the players are really bad in Asia since they are playing for the first time, aren't used to full loot, and aren't used to FPS games that play like quake-lite.

The Asian server is generally packed, which is why western players liked it. However, with the bans and the ping its not worth it for them to play really.  

I know nothing of the situation, but I know AV has complete control of their game. 

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  xpiher

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11/07/13 8:11:53 AM#5
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by xpiher

Stop misinforming people. MGAME HANDLE THE RULES OF DF ASIA. AV has nothing to do with mGame banning people for playing it from the US. mGame wants to keep it regional because that's what the Asian players want and its somewhat required since the game is released and being hosted in Korea (korea has anit-bullying and anti-online-anonymity laws). 

They simply banned people for having non japanese/korean IP addresses. Sometimes, it was based on a person playing the game too well and being accused of hacking due to killing 8 people by yourself because the players are really bad in Asia since they are playing for the first time, aren't used to full loot, and aren't used to FPS games that play like quake-lite.

The Asian server is generally packed, which is why western players liked it. However, with the bans and the ping its not worth it for them to play really.  

I know nothing of the situation, but I know AV has complete control of their game. 

Only when it comes to what goes in the game. They made concession for the Asian version. One of those concessions was the optional faction system and making the races more diverse and colorful, increasing grind, and offering F2P. The administration of the game and the item mall is being handled completely by mGame. I fully expect the item mall to contain house decoractions, deeds, prowess pots, etc. 


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  Holophonist

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11/07/13 8:34:15 AM#6
Originally posted by DarthRaiden

The asian server is first and formost free of sub. Players in the west don't see why they should pay for such a service like DF:UW .

Way better game  quality and  service is needed to justify the horrendous sub for such a lousy quality.

DF:UW should be free as along as in beta qualitywise.

 

 

What in the.... in what universe is it acceptable to claim any service SHOULD be free? Why on earth should you be allowed to play and enjoy a game totally for free?
  Hancakes

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11/07/13 9:12:48 AM#7
Originally posted by Holophonist
Originally posted by DarthRaiden

The asian server is first and formost free of sub. Players in the west don't see why they should pay for such a service like DF:UW .

Way better game  quality and  service is needed to justify the horrendous sub for such a lousy quality.

DF:UW should be free as along as in beta qualitywise.

 

 

What in the.... in what universe is it acceptable to claim any service SHOULD be free? Why on earth should you be allowed to play and enjoy a game totally for free?

The Asian server's  free, what don't you understand about that?

 I also play and enjoy World of Tanks, which is totally free. (among many other games) It's really not a new concept!

  Kyleran

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11/07/13 9:22:25 AM#8
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Holophonist
Originally posted by DarthRaiden

The asian server is first and formost free of sub. Players in the west don't see why they should pay for such a service like DF:UW .

Way better game  quality and  service is needed to justify the horrendous sub for such a lousy quality.

DF:UW should be free as along as in beta qualitywise.

 

 

What in the.... in what universe is it acceptable to claim any service SHOULD be free? Why on earth should you be allowed to play and enjoy a game totally for free?

The Asian server's  free, what don't you understand about that?

 I also play and enjoy World of Tanks, which is totally free. (among many other games) It's really not a new concept!

But realize, you are not the target market of the developers, they want players who will pay for using the service. 

I'm sure if they could find a way to scrape the freeloaders off of their shoes they would, but they are a necessary evil since there's no easy way to discern who is a real customer and those who just are along for the free ride.

 

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  Hancakes

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11/07/13 9:26:56 AM#9
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Holophonist
Originally posted by DarthRaiden

The asian server is first and formost free of sub. Players in the west don't see why they should pay for such a service like DF:UW .

Way better game  quality and  service is needed to justify the horrendous sub for such a lousy quality.

DF:UW should be free as along as in beta qualitywise.

 

 

What in the.... in what universe is it acceptable to claim any service SHOULD be free? Why on earth should you be allowed to play and enjoy a game totally for free?

The Asian server's  free, what don't you understand about that?

 I also play and enjoy World of Tanks, which is totally free. (among many other games) It's really not a new concept!

But realize, you are not the target market of the developers, they want players who will pay for using the service. 

I'm sure if they could find a way to scrape the freeloaders off of their shoes they would, but they are a necessary evil since there's no easy way to discern who is a real customer and those who just are along for the free ride.

 

Point being, there ARE successful totally free games.

  Holophonist

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Joined: 2/15/09
Posts: 2009

11/07/13 9:44:07 AM#10
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Holophonist
Originally posted by DarthRaiden

The asian server is first and formost free of sub. Players in the west don't see why they should pay for such a service like DF:UW .

Way better game  quality and  service is needed to justify the horrendous sub for such a lousy quality.

DF:UW should be free as along as in beta qualitywise.

 

 

What in the.... in what universe is it acceptable to claim any service SHOULD be free? Why on earth should you be allowed to play and enjoy a game totally for free?

The Asian server's  free, what don't you understand about that?

 I also play and enjoy World of Tanks, which is totally free. (among many other games) It's really not a new concept!

 

Where exactly did I say free to play games can't be successful?? I'm attacking the idea that anybody has the right to a free game. Saying "players don't feel like they should have to pay for a service like dfuw" is just downright ridiculous, plain and simple.
  Hancakes

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Posts: 1106

11/07/13 9:51:43 AM#11
Originally posted by Holophonist
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Holophonist
Originally posted by DarthRaiden

The asian server is first and formost free of sub. Players in the west don't see why they should pay for such a service like DF:UW .

Way better game  quality and  service is needed to justify the horrendous sub for such a lousy quality.

DF:UW should be free as along as in beta qualitywise.

 

 

What in the.... in what universe is it acceptable to claim any service SHOULD be free? Why on earth should you be allowed to play and enjoy a game totally for free?

The Asian server's  free, what don't you understand about that?

 I also play and enjoy World of Tanks, which is totally free. (among many other games) It's really not a new concept!

 

Where exactly did I say free to play games can't be successful?? I'm attacking the idea that anybody has the right to a free game. Saying "players don't feel like they should have to pay for a service like dfuw" is just downright ridiculous, plain and simple.

Could it have anything to do with Asian DFUW being free? We PAID to beta test DFUW for the Asian market and they get it for free. Anyway, given the quality I certainly don't think DFUW is worth $15 a month. The western game will never survive with its current pricing.

 

 

  Holophonist

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11/07/13 10:16:23 AM#12
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Holophonist
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Holophonist
Originally posted by DarthRaiden

The asian server is first and formost free of sub. Players in the west don't see why they should pay for such a service like DF:UW .

Way better game  quality and  service is needed to justify the horrendous sub for such a lousy quality.

DF:UW should be free as along as in beta qualitywise.

 

 

What in the.... in what universe is it acceptable to claim any service SHOULD be free? Why on earth should you be allowed to play and enjoy a game totally for free?

The Asian server's  free, what don't you understand about that?

 I also play and enjoy World of Tanks, which is totally free. (among many other games) It's really not a new concept!

 

Where exactly did I say free to play games can't be successful?? I'm attacking the idea that anybody has the right to a free game. Saying "players don't feel like they should have to pay for a service like dfuw" is just downright ridiculous, plain and simple.

Could it have anything to do with Asian DFUW being free? We PAID to beta test DFUW for the Asian market and they get it for free. Anyway, given the quality I certainly don't think DFUW is worth $15 a month. The western game will never survive with its current pricing.

 

 

 

It What they're charging for the game an entire world away has nothing to do with you. This is just envy. If you don't think it's worth $15 then don't play it. Personally I've never been able to fathom that position. The only thing that stops me from playing an MMO is whether or not I like it, not the price. The highest sub you see around is $15/mo, which is basically free when compared to other forms of entertainment.
  Hancakes

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11/07/13 10:33:11 AM#13
Originally posted by Holophonist
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Holophonist
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Holophonist
Originally posted by DarthRaiden

The asian server is first and formost free of sub. Players in the west don't see why they should pay for such a service like DF:UW .

Way better game  quality and  service is needed to justify the horrendous sub for such a lousy quality.

DF:UW should be free as along as in beta qualitywise.

 

 

What in the.... in what universe is it acceptable to claim any service SHOULD be free? Why on earth should you be allowed to play and enjoy a game totally for free?

The Asian server's  free, what don't you understand about that?

 I also play and enjoy World of Tanks, which is totally free. (among many other games) It's really not a new concept!

 

Where exactly did I say free to play games can't be successful?? I'm attacking the idea that anybody has the right to a free game. Saying "players don't feel like they should have to pay for a service like dfuw" is just downright ridiculous, plain and simple.

Could it have anything to do with Asian DFUW being free? We PAID to beta test DFUW for the Asian market and they get it for free. Anyway, given the quality I certainly don't think DFUW is worth $15 a month. The western game will never survive with its current pricing.

 

 

 

It What they're charging for the game an entire world away has nothing to do with you. This is just envy. If you don't think it's worth $15 then don't play it. Personally I've never been able to fathom that position. The only thing that stops me from playing an MMO is whether or not I like it, not the price. The highest sub you see around is $15/mo, which is basically free when compared to other forms of entertainment.

 Games like DFUW don't work without a healthy player base, apparently not enough people are willing to pay $15 plus the cost of the game. Everyone flocked to the Asian server because it had people, it had people because it was FREE.

DFUW (western) will go F2P, greatly reduce prices or die.  AV wanted microtransactions from the start with DFUW and it was designed around it, I'm sure its not far off for this market.

 

  Holophonist

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11/07/13 10:48:29 AM#14
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Holophonist
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Holophonist
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Holophonist
Originally posted by DarthRaiden

The asian server is first and formost free of sub. Players in the west don't see why they should pay for such a service like DF:UW .

Way better game  quality and  service is needed to justify the horrendous sub for such a lousy quality.

DF:UW should be free as along as in beta qualitywise.

 

 

What in the.... in what universe is it acceptable to claim any service SHOULD be free? Why on earth should you be allowed to play and enjoy a game totally for free?

The Asian server's  free, what don't you understand about that?

 I also play and enjoy World of Tanks, which is totally free. (among many other games) It's really not a new concept!

 

Where exactly did I say free to play games can't be successful?? I'm attacking the idea that anybody has the right to a free game. Saying "players don't feel like they should have to pay for a service like dfuw" is just downright ridiculous, plain and simple.

Could it have anything to do with Asian DFUW being free? We PAID to beta test DFUW for the Asian market and they get it for free. Anyway, given the quality I certainly don't think DFUW is worth $15 a month. The western game will never survive with its current pricing.

 

 

 

It What they're charging for the game an entire world away has nothing to do with you. This is just envy. If you don't think it's worth $15 then don't play it. Personally I've never been able to fathom that position. The only thing that stops me from playing an MMO is whether or not I like it, not the price. The highest sub you see around is $15/mo, which is basically free when compared to other forms of entertainment.

 Games like DFUW don't work without a healthy player base, apparently not enough people are willing to pay $15 plus the cost of the game. Everyone flocked to the Asian server because it had people, it had people because it was FREE.

DFUW (western) will go F2P, greatly reduce prices or die.  AV wanted microtransactions from the start with DFUW and it was designed around it, I'm sure its not far off for this market.

 

 

I don't see how those assumptions have anything to do with people demanding to play a game for free.
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11/07/13 11:33:33 AM#15
  Holophonist

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11/07/13 11:49:29 AM#16
Originally posted by Hancakes

Why was the Asian server so popular?

https://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?382688-NA-EU-servers

 

This community, I swear... Again, I'm not saying free to play games won't work. I'm saying it's presumptuous and arrogant to think that you're entitled to play any game for free. It's up to the devs to decide what payment model to use and it's up to you to decide if it's worth it to play.

It's all well and good for you to make a judgement about what model would be best in this situation, but that's different from some angry kid saying "we don't think we should have to pay to play this game." Also your take on the situation isn't gospel. You don't have access to same information they do. Also, sure dfuw is a game that greatly benefits from having more players, but it's also a game that may be ruined by introducing f2p types of players.
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11/07/13 12:21:56 PM#17
Originally posted by Holophonist
Originally posted by Hancakes

Why was the Asian server so popular?

https://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?382688-NA-EU-servers

 but it's also a game that may be ruined by introducing f2p types of players.

DFUW isn't looking too good NOW, plus its not sustainable. Its not like DFUW hasn't already been plagued with gold farmers and cheats, if those are the types you're referring to.

  Holophonist

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11/07/13 12:33:57 PM#18
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Holophonist
Originally posted by Hancakes

Why was the Asian server so popular?

https://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?382688-NA-EU-servers

 but it's also a game that may be ruined by introducing f2p types of players.

DFUW isn't looking too good NOW, plus its not sustainable. Its not like DFUW hasn't already been plagued with gold farmers and cheats, if those are the types you're referring to.

 

Well first of all I'm not claiming either system is better than the other. I'm saying there are arguments to be made on both sides. F2p would probably attract less mature players. That would make a ffa full loot pvp game considerably worse.

Second, just because the game isn't doing well now doesn't mean f2p would be better. We don't know if they're making or losing money. But I will say that if it comes down to shutting the doors or going f2p, then there probably isn't any reason not to try.
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11/07/13 12:42:44 PM#19
Originally posted by Holophonist
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Holophonist
Originally posted by Hancakes

Why was the Asian server so popular?

https://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?382688-NA-EU-servers

 but it's also a game that may be ruined by introducing f2p types of players.

DFUW isn't looking too good NOW, plus its not sustainable. Its not like DFUW hasn't already been plagued with gold farmers and cheats, if those are the types you're referring to.

 


Second, just because the game isn't doing well now doesn't mean f2p would be better. We don't know if they're making or losing money.

According to an AV employee they are losing money, they need to increase population by 50+% to just break even.

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11/07/13 4:47:23 PM#20
Originally posted by Holophonist
Originally posted by DarthRaiden

The asian server is first and formost free of sub. Players in the west don't see why they should pay for such a service like DF:UW .

Way better game  quality and  service is needed to justify the horrendous sub for such a lousy quality.

DF:UW should be free as along as in beta qualitywise.

 

 

What in the.... in what universe is it acceptable to claim any service SHOULD be free? Why on earth should you be allowed to play and enjoy a game totally for free?

 

See DF:UW is not fully programmed, its still half of the game, basically it is in beta quality wise missing half the classes for example. 

Let aside that even if you take in that it still would be a broken game after all classes are in, techically its not reached the status feature complete which in the prorgramming world defnes a product that is out of beta.

Since its not feature complete no one should pay for beta.

 

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