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  Mardukk

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Joined: 2/05/11
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11/04/13 9:18:46 PM#21

I'm confused.  Wasn't that balance patch almost exactly what people wanted for a long time?  I'm guessing there won't be much that is going to make many people happy.  Maybe if I played DFO I would be carrying a torch as well.

 

I don't really care who got into the MVP forums or what they are discussing.  AV clearly knows what people are bitching about, they are just slow.  Likely due to lack of resources as full loot eliminates 99% of the MMO playerbase.

 

Edit:  The bottom line is as sandbox players we are going to have to be more patient with these tiny indie companies.  Unfortunately most people want to play boring ass linear quest hub themeparks...that's where all the money and numbers have gone.  Maybe one of these upcoming sandboxes will be more to your liking.  Although I kinda doubt many DF players are even MMO fans at heart, I think a lot of these people are arena PvP only players who couldn't care less about creating a virtual world.

  xpiher

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11/05/13 2:57:16 AM#22
Originally posted by 123443211234
Originally posted by Badaboom
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Badaboom
Originally posted by Hancakes

 

What excellent feedback are you referring to exactly?

 

If it's ever implemented, its going to be DF2010 all over again or all the DFUW "content that's ready to go".  Pure fantasy!!!

Heck, we're still waiting on the stuff AV already promised was a priority 6 months ago.

"We're not going to ask you to sign a formal NDA, we'll trust you on your word that you will keep MVP forum conversations and information, as well as developer interactions confidential."

Tasos

So we have a secret forum, with secret content, with a secret bunch of members which are hand picked by AV. While AV sits idle on a backlog of "excellent ideas" submitted by the actual player base over the past year.

It's so absurd, I can't stop laughing! LOL

 

 

The members are not going to be secret and there will probably be a weekly summary of the discussions on the forums.  I agree with you that there are a lot of good ideas floating around and the issue is the turnaround time for implementation.

Your naivety after all these years is astounding.  At this point the members are secret although many people have requested the list be made public they have not done so and have not made ANY statement that they would do so.  As far as weekly summaries go where the hell have you been?  They can't even give monthly updates let alone an additional weekly forum update.

 

The mvp forums are a joke plain and simple, the ONLY person I know who has for sure been admitted has NEVER even played the released DFUW he quit back in beta due to the state of the game and is a giant forum troll.  (I know this for sure, he is a guildy)

 

I have zero confidence in the mvp forums and so should you.

Just ask some people on the MVP forums whats going on. They aren't as big of a secrete as you make it out to be. Hell, more than likely, one of them is talking to you in this thread.


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  Hancakes

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11/05/13 10:43:00 AM#23
Originally posted by Caaahl
Originally posted by Hancakes
 

 

If it's ever implemented, its going to be DF2010 all over again or all the DFUW "content that's ready to go".  Pure fantasy!!!

Heck, we're still waiting on the stuff AV already promised was a priority 6 months ago.

Exactly this.

It baffles me how some people cannot grasp this.

AV needs zero, null, nada, niente, rien new suggestions right now.

Because

a) they are late on many many features/content updates which were "ready" already several months ago.

Hell, there was an interview in February 2009 where Tasos said that armor dyeing was in the final testing phase.

and b)

there have been tons and tons of good suggestions made already in the "suggestions" forums. So even IF AV would have the capability right now to work on new stuff they'd already knew literally for years what peoples ideas and wishes are.

 

Anyone who falls for the whole MVP forums deception is a naive fool, sorry.

I fail to see how anyone thinks the MVP is going to change anything. 

  Galadourn

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Joined: 2/06/08
Posts: 1050

11/05/13 12:54:18 PM#24

I don't know if suggestions are going to work, because let's not forget that AV decided to secretly make a different game while whistling merrily about the DF2010 expansion. Not only that, but they managed to make 1-2 things in the new game and break 20.

That's not a good track record. DFUW feels shallow, rushed out before its time. And there are plenty of AAA MMOs in the horizon, i don't know if AV will make it.

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  Hancakes

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11/05/13 1:02:37 PM#25
Originally posted by Galadourn

I don't know if suggestions are going to work, because let's not forget that AV decided to secretly make a different game while whistling merrily about the DF2010 expansion. Not only that, but they managed to make 1-2 things in the new game and break 20.

That's not a good track record. DFUW feels shallow, rushed out before its time. And there are plenty of AAA MMOs in the horizon, i don't know if AV will make it.

Agreed, All the suggestions in the world won't make AV actually implement them.   MVP is just another carrot to give hope to the hopeless. 

  Badaboom

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11/05/13 3:41:19 PM#26
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Galadourn

I don't know if suggestions are going to work, because let's not forget that AV decided to secretly make a different game while whistling merrily about the DF2010 expansion. Not only that, but they managed to make 1-2 things in the new game and break 20.

That's not a good track record. DFUW feels shallow, rushed out before its time. And there are plenty of AAA MMOs in the horizon, i don't know if AV will make it.

Agreed, All the suggestions in the world won't make AV actually implement them.   MVP is just another carrot to give hope to the hopeless. 

Correction.  MVP is just another carrot to give hope to the hopefull.  You are the one that is "hopeless".

  Hancakes

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Joined: 2/06/11
Posts: 1106

11/05/13 4:34:55 PM#27
Originally posted by Badaboom
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Galadourn

I don't know if suggestions are going to work, because let's not forget that AV decided to secretly make a different game while whistling merrily about the DF2010 expansion. Not only that, but they managed to make 1-2 things in the new game and break 20.

That's not a good track record. DFUW feels shallow, rushed out before its time. And there are plenty of AAA MMOs in the horizon, i don't know if AV will make it.

Agreed, All the suggestions in the world won't make AV actually implement them.   MVP is just another carrot to give hope to the hopeless. 

Correction.  MVP is just another carrot to give hope to the hopefull.  You are the one that is "hopeless".

I'm a realist with years of experience dealing with AV. 

 

  Tibernicuspa

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Joined: 11/03/13
Posts: 964

11/05/13 4:44:41 PM#28
Originally posted by MrBoots
So I heard only 15 people got in and most of them are "AV friendly" types.

Christ, are we really going to do the rumor mongering already? It was bad enough pre release and during beta. 99% of it was lies.

  Hancakes

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11/05/13 4:48:53 PM#29
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
Originally posted by MrBoots
So I heard only 15 people got in and most of them are "AV friendly" types.

Christ, are we really going to do the rumor mongering already? It was bad enough pre release and during beta. 99% of it was lies.

What lies are you referring to? Tasos?

  Tibernicuspa

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Joined: 11/03/13
Posts: 964

11/05/13 5:29:55 PM#30
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
Originally posted by MrBoots
So I heard only 15 people got in and most of them are "AV friendly" types.

Christ, are we really going to do the rumor mongering already? It was bad enough pre release and during beta. 99% of it was lies.

What lies are you referring to? Tasos?

The constant conspiracy theories that Aventurine wasn't an actual game company, their HQ didn't exist. That the beta game contained special features that got cut last minute, that there were zap towers every 2 feet, rumors that spawned and ran rampant through the community that was way too eager to eat them.

  Hancakes

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Posts: 1106

11/05/13 5:42:41 PM#31
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
Originally posted by MrBoots
So I heard only 15 people got in and most of them are "AV friendly" types.

Christ, are we really going to do the rumor mongering already? It was bad enough pre release and during beta. 99% of it was lies.

What lies are you referring to? Tasos?

The constant conspiracy theories that Aventurine wasn't an actual game company, their HQ didn't exist. That the beta game contained special features that got cut last minute, that there were zap towers every 2 feet, rumors that spawned and ran rampant through the community that was way too eager to eat them.

This is the Darkfall Unholy Wars forum, the one that released in April 2013. Why would anyone think AV didn't exist when they released DF in 2009 and kept the server open until DFUW beta ? Why would there be a community for a game and company that didnt exist, on their website no less? That doesn't make any sense.

  MrBoots

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Joined: 4/07/03
Posts: 279

 
OP  11/05/13 6:33:45 PM#32

 

Old Rumor: AV couldn't afford their large expensive office anymore. AV was forced to move into a much smaller place with cheap rent. That rumor was all but confirmed by Tasos himself.

 

August is usually the month when we take vacation time in Greece But with moving our offices, trying to catch up with our update schedule, along with the Asian version of the game in testing, we've kept the company running throughout August.

 

 

  Hancakes

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Posts: 1106

11/05/13 7:17:25 PM#33
Originally posted by MrBoots

 

Old Rumor: AV couldn't afford their large expensive office anymore. AV was forced to move into a much smaller place with cheap rent. That rumor was all but confirmed by Tasos himself.

 

August is usually the month when we take vacation time in Greece But with moving our offices, trying to catch up with our update schedule, along with the Asian version of the game in testing, we've kept the company running throughout August.

 

 

They haven't bothered to update their address anywhere, not a good sign if they did move.

  Tibernicuspa

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Joined: 11/03/13
Posts: 964

11/05/13 11:42:24 PM#34
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
Originally posted by MrBoots
So I heard only 15 people got in and most of them are "AV friendly" types.

Christ, are we really going to do the rumor mongering already? It was bad enough pre release and during beta. 99% of it was lies.

What lies are you referring to? Tasos?

The constant conspiracy theories that Aventurine wasn't an actual game company, their HQ didn't exist. That the beta game contained special features that got cut last minute, that there were zap towers every 2 feet, rumors that spawned and ran rampant through the community that was way too eager to eat them.

This is the Darkfall Unholy Wars forum, the one that released in April 2013. Why would anyone think AV didn't exist when they released DF in 2009 and kept the server open until DFUW beta ? Why would there be a community for a game and company that didnt exist, on their website no less? That doesn't make any sense.

The point is that the people following Darkfall always make up bullshit, and you shouldn't waste time believing any of it.

  DarthRaiden

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11/06/13 10:19:15 AM#35

Why this MVP bullshit  ?

people suggest sandbox features since day 1 of  DF beta.

 

You don't need to install MVP ..you need to build sandbox features and not  themepark gameplay , classes and all that shit in DF:UW.

>.<

 

there is zero confidence that the elitist fanbois that got invited to these MVP and pose the minority of DF supporters will change anything for te good.

The suggestion have been noumerous and not hidden.  Local banks and ressources,  complex crafting  and  raw material mechanics.  Dynamic  content  (mob spawns, resources spawn etc).  Freedom in building everywhere. Empire building mechanics like borders etc...

This is all in public and  no hidden forums will help bring thiose sandbox features into light.

 

Want players stay in your game ?  make it complex and worthwile enough forplayers to identify themselvs with the char andthe world of DF. 

DF:UW is shallow  an d can hold anyone up but the simplest minds who bash each other even there is no meaning behind it and no mechanic suporting it. Unfortunately for AV  that is not the MMORPG player .  MMORPG player want to be immersed in the world  and with the char, want to discover and solve complexity ..

You don't need MVP forums for these wisdom....and AV escapes everything of that...

as it shows..

classes,

global AH,

static safezones,

no freedom in housing,

no freedom in playerholdings,

static mob spawns,

static building order,

take out landmass including all the lovely small islands that have been great hideout places for pirates,

etc.. etc.. etc of really bad game design decisions ....

 

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  Caaahl

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11/10/13 12:40:11 PM#36

A MVP forum member took the time to post on the dfuw forums a little sum up about mvp forum activities so far.

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SynCaine:

"I can do a quick update, I'm not sure if anyone else from the MVP forum is going to finish something more 'official'.


We talked about villages. AV talked about a new tug-of-war system for villages and we went over some of the details. It was agreed to keep the system as AV has it designed rather than makes changes in order to get it into the game sooner. No details were given on when that might be.

A topic about economy was started. Not much agreement from the MVP community on how to fix it, or to what extent. Some of the same stuff was brought up (enchanting, nerfing this, buffing that), no feedback from AV on that topic yet.

We had some back and forth amongst MVP forum members (no AV posts) about the idea of a Seasons server (wipe every 90 days or so). I'll let others get into the details of that.

Not a whole lot of feedback from AV sadly, at least not to the level of driving any conversations forward. Hopefully that improves."

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https://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?382925-quot-We-ll-be-posting-updates-on-what-is-being-discussed-quot-Tasos-Flambouras-1-11-13&p=6204675&viewfull=1#post6204675

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  HEKKRA

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11/10/13 12:47:39 PM#37

I really can't understand they put that Hardcore Casual guy into the MVP. It just shows that AV is incompetent, and not understanding what kind of people play this game.

Their main problem was the class system. It's what this game is build around and where they went into the wrong direction.

 

  DarthRaiden

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11/10/13 2:07:58 PM#38
Originally posted by Caaahl

A MVP forum member took the time to post on the dfuw forums a little sum up about mvp forum activities so far.

-----------------------------

SynCaine:

"I can do a quick update, I'm not sure if anyone else from the MVP forum is going to finish something more 'official'.


We talked about villages. AV talked about a new tug-of-war system for villages and we went over some of the details. It was agreed to keep the system as AV has it designed rather than makes changes in order to get it into the game sooner. No details were given on when that might be.

A topic about economy was started. Not much agreement from the MVP community on how to fix it, or to what extent. Some of the same stuff was brought up (enchanting, nerfing this, buffing that), no feedback from AV on that topic yet.

We had some back and forth amongst MVP forum members (no AV posts) about the idea of a Seasons server (wipe every 90 days or so). I'll let others get into the details of that.

Not a whole lot of feedback from AV sadly, at least not to the level of driving any conversations forward. Hopefully that improves."

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SynCaine is a biased bad source. He was one of a few had access to DF Headquarters back 1 year prior DF:UW and he painted everything in pink colours encouraging customers to stay subbed and continue to waste money on DF and not the slightest warning on the horrendous changes and plans from AV to destroy Darkfall.

SynCaine is a biased source and can't be trusted.

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  detectivemo

Novice Member

Joined: 11/01/13
Posts: 5

11/10/13 4:10:36 PM#39
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by MrBoots

 

Old Rumor: AV couldn't afford their large expensive office anymore. AV was forced to move into a much smaller place with cheap rent. That rumor was all but confirmed by Tasos himself.

 

August is usually the month when we take vacation time in Greece But with moving our offices, trying to catch up with our update schedule, along with the Asian version of the game in testing, we've kept the company running throughout August.

 

 

They haven't bothered to update their address anywhere, not a good sign if they did move.

They lost their offices, they did not relocate to a permanent spot because they don't have the funds for it.  The information I got was they are sharing with another place and using a very small room & the rest are working from home etc.  I'm not sure what work they are doing because there hasn't been any updates besides the MVP forums...

 

I don't post in the MVP forums because I feel I would just turn my posts negative.  If you saw some of the names that are in there it would make you sick.  Some of them even got banned from DF 1.0 for cheating.  Nobody is really missing anything on this forum because there is not much being posted anyway.

  xpiher

Hard Core Member

Joined: 8/22/08
Posts: 3297

11/10/13 9:43:41 PM#40
Originally posted by HEKKRA

I really can't understand they put that Hardcore Casual guy into the MVP. It just shows that AV is incompetent, and not understanding what kind of people play this game.

Their main problem was the class system. It's what this game is build around and where they went into the wrong direction.

 

The fact that you think the main problem with the game is the class system is what baffles me. The class system, as shallow as it is, is better than the "I can do everything because I'm a god" system we had for DFO and, as far as underline issues with the game is concerned, its on the bottom of the list. 

 

As to the update on the MVP forums: No one knows who all got into the MVP forums, not even the members. AV hasn't made that public to anyone yet. 


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