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  Kaelaan21

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Posts: 351

10/30/13 10:41:12 AM#21

I'm actually getting both consoles due to enjoying exclusives on both systems.

 

A couple of questions come to mind though:

 

1) On some 120Hz/240Hz HDMI televisions, 900p is not going to interpolate the pixels the same way that 720p does. Since most users are using either 720p, 1080i, 1080p  at the moment, it may make for some odd results on televisions older than 2 years (televisions fault).

2) Typically, most game companies will pack the textures for the console of the lowest common denominator. Does anyone know if the textures are stored at a quality designed for 720p or did they scale the textures for each console individually? If they are designed for 720p, yes, there will be an advantage with the PS4 - especially with targets in a distance, but not as much of a jump in quality that some people would expect.

 

I think the only reason why I still lean a little more towards the xbox, is that I can't stand the online experience in the PS3 and many games take much, much longer to load and start on the PS3. If the experience is smoother on the PS4 and more intuitive, then I will probably start moving more towards the PS4. Especially since Microsoft just closed down the Xbox Live family plan. Now, instead of $99/year for me and my two kids it will cost $117/year and I don't have a spare 4th account.

  Myria

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Joined: 5/07/09
Posts: 581

10/30/13 11:05:08 AM#22

MMORPG.com before release of latest hypetrain MMO: This will be killer! I'll be playing this game until the day I die! WoW killer for sure! Nerdvana approaches! Can't wait, someone put me in a coma until release! MUST GIVE DEVS MORE MONEY!!!

 

MMORPG.com after release of latest hypetrain MMO: Man, what a piece of crap. No endgame, no sale. Who the hell would buy this? Why don't the devs ever learn? We told them (sure you did, Bunky)! It'll be F2P in a week, shut down in a month. Pfft, I feel for those idiots (like me) who pre-ordered.

 

MMORPG.com before release of last-gen consoles: PS3 has the BESTEST CPU EVAH! It's clearly superior in every way. Xbox 360? 'Cause you look at it turn around and walk away -- let's face it, you don't know what an angle is anyway because you don't have a Cell Processor! M$ (see how clever I am, I used a dollar sign!) may as well shut down right now, PS3 is the most powerful machine around and will blow it away.

 

MMORPG.com after release of last-gen consoles: Meh, they both look and play pretty much the same and have 90% the same. Pick one, whatever.

 

MMORPG.com, where the same stupid crap gets spewed generation after generation without any risk of relevancy or learning.

 

Here's a thought that'll go over most heads around here: Don't hype or get hyped for a game or system you haven't played and don't ever think some third hand youtube video proves or means jack shit.

  Tissmogi

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Joined: 4/03/11
Posts: 191

 
OP  10/30/13 11:08:59 AM#23
Originally posted by Kaelaan21

1) On some 120Hz/240Hz HDMI televisions, 900p is not going to interpolate the pixels the same way that 720p does. Since most users are using either 720p, 1080i, 1080p  at the moment, it may make for some odd results on televisions older than 2 years (televisions fault).

Both consoles upscale internally so you get a 1080p output. No interpolation needed.

2) Typically, most game companies will pack the textures for the console of the lowest common denominator. Does anyone know if the textures are stored at a quality designed for 720p or did they scale the textures for each console individually? If they are designed for 720p, yes, there will be an advantage with the PS4 - especially with targets in a distance, but not as much of a jump in quality that some people would expect.

Textures are always stored in a format that includes the highest resolution and sized down versions which is called mip mapping (creating multiple textrues of smaller sizes) . The Engine will use appropriate textures for the resolution/distance as needed.

Example Texture:

 

I think the only reason why I still lean a little more towards the xbox, is that I can't stand the online experience in the PS3 and many games take much, much longer to load and start on the PS3. If the experience is smoother on the PS4 and more intuitive, then I will probably start moving more towards the PS4. Especially since Microsoft just closed down the Xbox Live family plan. Now, instead of $99/year for me and my two kids it will cost $117/year and I don't have a spare 4th account.

You get a lot more bang for the buck on PSN. Have you seen the games they give away for free every year? It's a top seller lineup and can not even be compared to the crap that you get with XBL. I am sure the PS4 will be a lot smoother than the PS3.

 

  Wakygreek

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Joined: 4/30/08
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Reason is a necessity

10/30/13 11:10:04 AM#24
Originally posted by Seelinnikoi
Originally posted by muffins89
im buying xbox cause it's an American company. 

Hahahaha, oh boy this made my day! LOL!

I really can't stand this ignorant way of thinking.

  Tissmogi

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/03/11
Posts: 191

 
OP  10/30/13 11:16:18 AM#25
Originally posted by Myria

Here's a thought that'll go over most heads around here: Don't hype or get hyped for a game or system you haven't played and don't ever think some third hand youtube video proves or means jack shit.

There is no hype just facts. Maybe that went over your head.

Xbox One: 720p and no constant 60fps.

PS4: 900p, AntiAlias, Ambient Occlusion, MotionBlurr (in MP)

  Naral

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Joined: 1/07/10
Posts: 756

10/30/13 11:17:32 AM#26
Originally posted by NightBandit
Originally posted by nerovipus32
PC 1080p :)

+1 let the console fight it out for whatever place they want...As hard as they try console will never replace the PC end of.

Damn right. Been enjoying BF4 on PC and it looks better than it would on either of the consoles. Also, I suck with a controller, what can I say. Part of being an old dude. ;-)

In all seriousness I will buy a PS4 eventually, never had all that much lover xbox anyway, and this fiasco makes it even easier to stay with PS.

As to the poster who commented about buying American, I do when I can too. That said, if you buy an American product that sucks and is mismanaged, you aren't doing our country any favors in the long run. Ford cars used to suck ass, and their market share took a tumble. Enough foreign competition came in, kicked their butts, forced them to rethink the domestic car market, which they did, and now they produce a lot of decent to excellent cars, which a lot of people buy...many of which are made in Mexico. ;-)

Rewarding American companies for crap products with blind loyalty hurts the company in the long run. 

  Torval

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Joined: 6/10/09
Posts: 7137

10/30/13 11:21:45 AM#27
Originally posted by Myria

MMORPG.com before release of latest hypetrain MMO: This will be killer! I'll be playing this game until the day I die! WoW killer for sure! Nerdvana approaches! Can't wait, someone put me in a coma until release! MUST GIVE DEVS MORE MONEY!!!

MMORPG.com after release of latest hypetrain MMO: Man, what a piece of crap. No endgame, no sale. Who the hell would buy this? Why don't the devs ever learn? We told them (sure you did, Bunky)! It'll be F2P in a week, shut down in a month. Pfft, I feel for those idiots (like me) who pre-ordered.

MMORPG.com before release of last-gen consoles: PS3 has the BESTEST CPU EVAH! It's clearly superior in every way. Xbox 360? 'Cause you look at it turn around and walk away -- let's face it, you don't know what an angle is anyway because you don't have a Cell Processor! M$ (see how clever I am, I used a dollar sign!) may as well shut down right now, PS3 is the most powerful machine around and will blow it away.

MMORPG.com after release of last-gen consoles: Meh, they both look and play pretty much the same and have 90% the same. Pick one, whatever.

MMORPG.com, where the same stupid crap gets spewed generation after generation without any risk of relevancy or learning.

Here's a thought that'll go over most heads around here: Don't hype or get hyped for a game or system you haven't played and don't ever think some third hand youtube video proves or means jack shit.

Hahah. Best post ever, which of course will get ignored by platform zealots as they worm out every minuscule detail in an effort to win a fruitless battle for nothing.

  Kaelaan21

Novice Member

Joined: 5/31/07
Posts: 351

10/30/13 11:22:19 AM#28
Originally posted by Tissmogi
Originally posted by Kaelaan21

1) On some 120Hz/240Hz HDMI televisions, 900p is not going to interpolate the pixels the same way that 720p does. Since most users are using either 720p, 1080i, 1080p  at the moment, it may make for some odd results on televisions older than 2 years (televisions fault).

Both consoles upscale internally so you get a 1080p output. No interpolation needed.

2) Typically, most game companies will pack the textures for the console of the lowest common denominator. Does anyone know if the textures are stored at a quality designed for 720p or did they scale the textures for each console individually? If they are designed for 720p, yes, there will be an advantage with the PS4 - especially with targets in a distance, but not as much of a jump in quality that some people would expect.

Textures are always stored in a format that includes the highest resolution and sized down versions which is called mip mapping (creating multiple textrues of smaller sizes) . The Engine will use appropriate textures for the resolution/distance as needed.

Example Texture:

 

I think the only reason why I still lean a little more towards the xbox, is that I can't stand the online experience in the PS3 and many games take much, much longer to load and start on the PS3. If the experience is smoother on the PS4 and more intuitive, then I will probably start moving more towards the PS4. Especially since Microsoft just closed down the Xbox Live family plan. Now, instead of $99/year for me and my two kids it will cost $117/year and I don't have a spare 4th account.

You get a lot more bang for the buck on PSN. Have you seen the games they give away for free every year? It's a top seller lineup and can not even be compared to the crap that you get with XBL. I am sure the PS4 will be a lot smoother than the PS3.

 

Thanks for the info. I knew texture scaling to be this way for PC games, but I wasn't sure for the consoles.

Yes, I have the PSN plus account as well (just for me though). However, Xbox Live started releasing some decent games including block buster titles for free every 2 weeks starting a few months back.

I think at this moment, it's going to be a wait and see how the dashboard vs. bar experience will be. One of my major pet peaves with the PS3 is that it can take over a minute to start and I think a lot of that has to do with the way how the game is not always fully installed on the hard drive. Some of the PS3 games forces itself to install. These tend to start up quickly for me.

The good news is that I begin to prefer the PS4 over the Xbox, I don't have to move an entire game collection over. I'm nearly finished with my current collection and have been trading them in for games that can be traded up for only $10 at Gamestop.

  youngkg

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Joined: 1/06/08
Posts: 364

10/30/13 11:26:00 AM#29

PS4 has FXAA.

 

Sony always wins on paper but never executes...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XqWRACk2zY

 

"the PS4 offers a superior experience on several fronts"...You have clearly  never used PSN before or have no idea on just how far superior XBL is in comparrison.

 

PS3 on paper was also a stronger machine that failed to out perform the 360. Just gonna have to wait and see if PS4 actually delivers this time around and as a 360 and ps3 owner i kinda doubt it will.

 

 

 

 

 

  jazz.be

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Posts: 812

10/30/13 11:31:58 AM#30
Originally posted by muffins89
im buying xbox cause it's an American company. 

That's hardcore!

  Tatercake

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LET GO OF MY NUTS

10/30/13 11:37:14 AM#31

lol funny microsoft is not  usa anymore its made in mexico and mostly non usa now so for you to think your buying usa  hahaha your not

 

  Incomparable

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10/30/13 12:02:47 PM#32
Originally posted by Tatercake

lol funny microsoft is not  usa anymore its made in mexico and mostly non usa now so for you to think your buying usa  hahaha your not

 

They call that out sourcing. It makes a larger profit by using cheaper labor, and paying less for everything else as well or not paying by leasing/using existing equipment they do not have to own.

But the profits go to the same place, its just that instead of hiring more Americans to do the job, some corners are cut.

Its simple, and what you are saying is basically a lie.

I digress, maybe its hypocritical to use cheaper labor out of the US?

“Write bad things that are done to you in sand, but write the good things that happen to you on a piece of marble”

  User Deleted
10/30/13 12:11:36 PM#33

What really strikes me is that neither system is running at 1080p...

 

Glad to be a PC gamer.

  Ikeda

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10/30/13 12:12:41 PM#34

Not only the labor is cheaper...

The components are cheaper...

http://makezine.com/2013/03/26/made-in-china-the-case-for-and-against/

My problem is that in as an engineer, I can't tell you the number of times I've replaced a "new" board and discovered that the parts used to make the board were actually used previously on completely different systems and then desoldered and soldered as new onto this board.  It isn't new.  In fact, I'd bet they took a "trash" board, unsoldered the part, ohm'd it out, and soldered it in.

That isn't new.  That's refurbished at best.  But it's also very untruthful.  If you can't be honest in that, then you can't be trusted for bigger things like parts pricing and quality control.

 

EDIT:  This wasn't the exact article I was looking for but it does cover what I'm saying: http://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors/processors/the-hidden-dangers-of-chopshop-electronics

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  User Deleted
10/30/13 12:17:23 PM#35
Originally posted by youngkg

PS4 has FXAA.

 

Sony always wins on paper but never executes...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XqWRACk2zY

 

 

I think the PS4 looks a lot better on that video.  The XBox looks like they just jacked the contrast up a bit, and you lose a lot of detail.  Both look pretty bad though.

  Sal1

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10/30/13 1:00:53 PM#36

When is the actual release date for the Playstation 4 and XBox One? When can I in the good ole' USA get my hands on one of these machines?

 

I play games on both my PC and PS3. Some games are just easier and better to play on each machine. RPG's and such are generally on my PC along with MMO's. Sports games and stuff like that are on my PS3. It's just way easier to invite my friend over and play some NHL Hockey on my playstation on my big screen HD TV in the living room. For in depth and solo games I use my PC more.

  orionblack

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10/30/13 1:12:24 PM#37
Originally posted by muffins89
im buying xbox cause it's an American company. 

Yeah I guess everyone already pointed out the fault in this logic.

One of the most uninformed statements I have read in ANY forum. =(

  SavageHorizon

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10/30/13 1:13:12 PM#38
Originally posted by Tygranir

I love how people still defend the XBox when it is a clearly inferior piece of harware for a higher price tag.

I wonder if they are really excited for the few exclusives that the XBox has or are just truly fanboys.

I agree, it's black and white, the XBOX B720 is an inferior machine no matter how the die hard's want to gloss it over. It reminds me of the die hard iphone followers.

I've always owned a PS and will continue to when the PS4 arrives in the post.

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10/30/13 1:15:39 PM#39
Originally posted by NightBandit
Originally posted by nerovipus32
PC 1080p :)

+1 let the console fight it out for whatever place they want...As hard as they try console will never replace the PC end of.

Who said it would replace a PC?

I have a top end PC and i will have the best console on the market, some of us actually play both console and PC games.

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10/30/13 1:25:09 PM#40
Originally posted by SavageHorizon
Originally posted by NightBandit
Originally posted by nerovipus32
PC 1080p :)

+1 let the console fight it out for whatever place they want...As hard as they try console will never replace the PC end of.

Who said it would replace a PC?

I have a top end PC and i will have the best console on the market, some of us actually play both console and PC games.

agree'd

I never got the idea to even compare.  

If good games out  on the ps4 ill get it. if good games come out on the xbone Ill get it. PC well always have one so that isn't the issue. 

Right now im waiting on which does better and has the better line up so i can decide the one i want to buy first or even if i get the other. 

Games are games no matter what platform . 

 

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