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  page975

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OP  10/29/13 6:55:57 PM#61

If ONE car manufacture makes cars that only go 20 MPH no one would buy it.

If EVERY car manufacture makes cars that only go 20 MPH, we would all be going 20 MPH

 

Sooooo with this, we have Wildstar, ESO, and EQ Next.....30 days games, Everyone will buy them and go 20 MPH  :)

  RabidMouth

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10/29/13 7:26:53 PM#62
Originally posted by page975

If ONE car manufacture makes cars that only go 20 MPH no one would buy it.

If EVERY car manufacture makes cars that only go 20 MPH, we would all be going 20 MPH

 

Sooooo with this, we have Wildstar, ESO, and EQ Next.....30 days games, Everyone will buy them and go 20 MPH  :)

That's quite the assumption you have made there. Will you be buying them?

You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

  DamonVile

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10/29/13 7:33:49 PM#63
Originally posted by page975

If ONE car manufacture makes cars that only go 20 MPH no one would buy it.

If EVERY car manufacture makes cars that only go 20 MPH, we would all be going 20 MPH

 

Sooooo with this, we have Wildstar, ESO, and EQ Next.....30 days games, Everyone will buy them and go 20 MPH  :)

Funny that's you'd use the speed of an object when trying to give an example using one persons perspective.

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  Ocalypse0

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10/29/13 8:08:56 PM#64

I must confess that I agree with some of the OP's sentiments.

 

When I started playing World of Warcraft (my first real MMO I truly dedicated time to) I was not a good player; but back then (early TBC) the game forced socialization between players. I was able to learn from other players throughout my leveling journey. I loved the fact that I was playing in a living, breathing virtual world.

I feel that a lot of that has been lost of late. People who honestly have no business playing MMO's now play MMO's.

Now, before someone foams at the mouth and calls me an elitist (as it seems that is the current buzzword nowadays), allow me to explain.

MMOs at their very core were games that took a great deal of time (compared to the average single player game) and social interaction (40v40 BGs, 40+ person raids). If you are not interested in either of these two aspects of a genre...I am forced to ask why would one play an MMO?

That's like me buying Fozra and then being furious that it is a racing game. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Making MMOs into psuedo Xbox games to appease the masses isn't a good move for the genre.

 

 

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  donpopuki

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10/29/13 8:32:03 PM#65
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  Loktofeit

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10/29/13 8:43:31 PM#66
Originally posted by page975

If ONE car manufacture makes cars that only go 20 MPH no one would buy it.

If EVERY car manufacture makes cars that only go 20 MPH, we would all be going 20 MPH

 

Sooooo with this, we have Wildstar, ESO, and EQ Next.....30 days games, Everyone will buy them and go 20 MPH  :)

Unless there's data that shows people want to go faster, at which point they will sell faster cars. After all, you said devs are in it for the Big Money, right? Seems the most logical thing is to make what most people want.

Granted, I'm probably nowhere near as knowledgeable as you are about big business, so I may be way off base on that one. I haven't run many businesses, and of the few I have operated, it *seemed* that providing what the customer wanted was working for me. If there was some greater collusion on a standard inferior product that I was supposed to be on board with, I missed the memo. Again, I'm just going by how things seemed. I could have been way off base on that as I was only going by volume and sales figures, completely lacking the necessary preconceptions, anecdotes and assumptions required to make a truly informed assessment.

 

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  Rhinotones

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10/29/13 8:49:33 PM#67
Originally posted by page975

If ONE car manufacture makes cars that only go 20 MPH no one would buy it.

If EVERY car manufacture makes cars that only go 20 MPH, we would all be going 20 MPH

 

Sooooo with this, we have Wildstar, ESO, and EQ Next.....30 days games, Everyone will buy them and go 20 MPH  :)

Talking in absolutes is never wise.

As mentioned in an earlier post reply to this thread, I made a decision to stop playing/paying when my satisfaction with the genre changed and I couldn't find a suitable alternative. Therefore, your statement is incorrect.

If you don't enjoy something, why stay with it? You either need to adapt your thinking to remain happy, or, remain dissatisfied and move away from MMO's.

  Lostie

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10/29/13 9:38:09 PM#68
i totally agree with the title. i look at the top tens and find that a few of them dont deserve that spot
  NaughtyP

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10/29/13 9:41:42 PM#69
Why do other people buy stuff that won't last? I really don't know. Maybe they like 30 days in a game. I don't care. I see some good potential in sandbox-esque MMOs in the next 1-3 years. That has me optimistic. Worst case scenario I just continue with coop/single player games which are improving for the most part.

Enter a whole new realm of challenge and adventure.

  Nadia

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10/29/13 9:43:27 PM#70
Originally posted by Lostie
I look at the top tens and find that a few of them dont deserve that spot

its always been that way - forever

  Icewhite

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10/29/13 9:57:56 PM#71
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Lostie
I look at the top tens and find that a few of them dont deserve that spot

its always been that way - forever

Well, not quite--the original ten mmo's almost certainly securely held their 'top ten' spots...

Only we couldn't stop arguing about which titles (specifically) were included/excluded, at that time, or any time since.

Lineage I -- A blockbuster rock-crusher of a Title for its time that easily outsold all early western titles? Or instantly dismissed never-mattered?

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  nariusseldon

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10/29/13 10:15:57 PM#72
Originally posted by NaughtyP
Why do other people buy stuff that won't last?

Because entertainment don't last forever?

Because they are used to movies, novels and SP games that end?

Because they want to finish something, and get something new?

  Nadia

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10/29/13 10:20:03 PM#73
Originally posted by Icewhite

Lineage I -- A blockbuster rock-crusher of a Title for its time that easily outsold all early western titles? Or instantly dismissed never-mattered?

true L1 outsold all western titles

but it did poorly in the West -- with only a fraction of the playerbase it had in the East

 

L1 was never a blockbuster in USA / Europe

  Slampig

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10/29/13 10:27:19 PM#74
Originally posted by page975

Are we being forced into what we have now ?

Are you liking it ?

Do we even have a vote ?

 

MMO are evolving away from the old school style of sandbox, open world, somewhat social dependent games to more of the theme park small zone carrot on a stick, moving from one quest to another along wth non social dynamic events style of gaming.

Lately MMOs are lasting us thirty days, maybe sixty for die-hards.  But for the most part were all jumping around from game to game lookng for that old feeling or at least something we can call home for awhile....But can you really find one ?

Post after post many players here at mmorpg.com are defending their game to the end countering any negativity. Over and over again for the past few years mmo post start with more positives than negative, but slowly they get less and less until the next release comes along.

Now, to this point most would agree, some maybe not.

 

Now here is what many are not aware of :

People seem to think MMO PLAYERS, AND THE NEWER GENERATION OF PLAYERS ARE ASKING FOR THIS.  30 DAY THEME PARK !......Fast jump in jump out casual mmos for the on the go working men and women and collage kids that have to devote time to studying......Easy mmos with everything handed to them for the seven year olds that can play with dad.

People also ASSUME this is popular because they sell.....Well, sure they sell........Because of three reasons :

1) Marketing, and developer hype. They seem to be getting better with cinematic and Youtubes ( Warhammer started this ) Just watch the latest Wildstar videos !.....Try and find real actual game play footage, its hard to do with up coming releases...your watching a video for Christ sake !

2) Nothing else to play. With everything being thirty days, that leaves the obsessive player starving ( I'm one of them ).

3) Relying on past franchise or favorites of movies. Good examples of this are Starwars The Old Republic, and Final Fantasy 14. Now lets be real they were let downs and you know it. There carrot on a stick short thirty day games not mmos. Soon will be getting Elders Scrolls Online. That one smells of a short theme park, small instances zone, mega server thirty day game before its even released. YET, I'LL PROBABLY BE PLAYING IT TOO !

 

People are NOT voting with there wallets !!!!......Our obsessiveness leaves us with no choice. That and we are fooled by marketing. Marketing is now better than the games them selfs. People will disagree with me but the " Big Money " is made up front, developers know that...They don't care about us that are trying to call some place home. Contrary to popular belief they don't care about retention !

 

 

Hmm, in all my years of playing these games I have YET to play one where I am done in 30 days. That seems to me to be the fault of the person playing, not the game. 

I often wonder when are people going to understand that these games do not have to be finished in the blink of an eye and that the only reason this is happening is because of the player...

That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!

  RabidMouth

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10/29/13 10:39:54 PM#75
Originally posted by Slampig
Originally posted by page975

Are we being forced into what we have now ?

Are you liking it ?

Do we even have a vote ?

 

MMO are evolving away from the old school style of sandbox, open world, somewhat social dependent games to more of the theme park small zone carrot on a stick, moving from one quest to another along wth non social dynamic events style of gaming.

Lately MMOs are lasting us thirty days, maybe sixty for die-hards.  But for the most part were all jumping around from game to game lookng for that old feeling or at least something we can call home for awhile....But can you really find one ?

Post after post many players here at mmorpg.com are defending their game to the end countering any negativity. Over and over again for the past few years mmo post start with more positives than negative, but slowly they get less and less until the next release comes along.

Now, to this point most would agree, some maybe not.

 

Now here is what many are not aware of :

People seem to think MMO PLAYERS, AND THE NEWER GENERATION OF PLAYERS ARE ASKING FOR THIS.  30 DAY THEME PARK !......Fast jump in jump out casual mmos for the on the go working men and women and collage kids that have to devote time to studying......Easy mmos with everything handed to them for the seven year olds that can play with dad.

People also ASSUME this is popular because they sell.....Well, sure they sell........Because of three reasons :

1) Marketing, and developer hype. They seem to be getting better with cinematic and Youtubes ( Warhammer started this ) Just watch the latest Wildstar videos !.....Try and find real actual game play footage, its hard to do with up coming releases...your watching a video for Christ sake !

2) Nothing else to play. With everything being thirty days, that leaves the obsessive player starving ( I'm one of them ).

3) Relying on past franchise or favorites of movies. Good examples of this are Starwars The Old Republic, and Final Fantasy 14. Now lets be real they were let downs and you know it. There carrot on a stick short thirty day games not mmos. Soon will be getting Elders Scrolls Online. That one smells of a short theme park, small instances zone, mega server thirty day game before its even released. YET, I'LL PROBABLY BE PLAYING IT TOO !

 

People are NOT voting with there wallets !!!!......Our obsessiveness leaves us with no choice. That and we are fooled by marketing. Marketing is now better than the games them selfs. People will disagree with me but the " Big Money " is made up front, developers know that...They don't care about us that are trying to call some place home. Contrary to popular belief they don't care about retention !

 

 

Hmm, in all my years of playing these games I have YET to play one where I am done in 30 days. That seems to me to be the fault of the person playing, not the game. 

I often wonder when are people going to understand that these games do not have to be finished in the blink of an eye and that the only reason this is happening is because of the player...

Shhh that kind of logic is frowned upon on these forums. People always race to see how quickly they can finish their characters, it's a sad fact but it happens with every release.

You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

  nariusseldon

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10/29/13 10:44:46 PM#76
Originally posted by Slampig

 

Hmm, in all my years of playing these games I have YET to play one where I am done in 30 days. That seems to me to be the fault of the person playing, not the game. 

I often wonder when are people going to understand that these games do not have to be finished in the blink of an eye and that the only reason this is happening is because of the player...

That is you. I don't think i need to play video games your way.

I finished Marvel Heroes story content in 30 hours ... and had fun. So what is the problem here?

 

  Icewhite

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10/29/13 10:45:14 PM#77
Originally posted by Slampig

Hmm, in all my years of playing these games I have YET to play one where I am done in 30 days. That seems to me to be the fault of the person playing, not the game. 

I often wonder when are people going to understand that these games do not have to be finished in the blink of an eye and that the only reason this is happening is because of the player...

MMOs just wouldn't be any fun unless we could yell "UR DOIN IT RONG!" at somebody.

Too fast, too slow, not roleplaying, not PVPing, too hardcore, too casual, too themepark, too sandbox, too social, not social enough.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  mysticaluna

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10/30/13 10:59:20 AM#78

Problem is to many people have friends and family on mmos that they don't support. That is why they end up paying for them. 

WoW was a massive success building on its own success and kept alive by all the connections people have with their friends and family on WoW. They can't leave, or they'd face loneliness playing a new game by themselves, as their family members /friends quit and go to console single player games and are unwilling to get into any other mmo. 

Hence, a lot of people are stuck, losing guildmates and people to play with, being endlessly lonely on mmo worlds, as everyone jumps ship and there is no guild any longer to call home, because all of your buddies leave for the "next big thing". 

We all keep playing because we love our games, but we all have things we wish could change, we're not going to give up and leave a mostly 80% satisfying game because of the 20% we complain about, we wish they would improve with our money. By not paying for them we'd be dooming a game we do enjoy, we realize that it takes money to change a game, and how can we support that change we desire if we don't hand them our money? 

Vanguard Saga of Heroes was a failure on launch, it has had a skeleton crew and never had any expansions, that game had massive potential to be great, it was a beacon of hope to some of us. What it could have been , could have beaten out World of Warcraft, the age of the theme park has to end, we need to try and support sand boxes, but we need lore/storyline and everything to come together and be right... 

If we had money to give Vanguard Saga of Heroes, the game could have been so much more, however, WoW takes our money and never changes into anything more, so we all feel hopelessly stuck in this cycle. 

What can we do? Complain endlessly about what we wish we could have, knowing we can't have it, loving our worlds our storylines, not wanting to play some "next big thing" sandbox without any ip storyline, but seeing that our favorite ips are pointless theme parks. 

Can we ever get a sandbox like Star Wars Galaxies? Something with an awesome ip/storyline, that is fun to play? PVE friendly and not pvp hardcore please! 

  shalissar

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10/30/13 12:55:35 PM#79
Originally posted by Icewhite

Now who you jivin' with that cosmik debris?
Look here brother, don't you waste your time on me.

Nice.

  nariusseldon

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10/30/13 2:06:53 PM#80
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by Slampig

Hmm, in all my years of playing these games I have YET to play one where I am done in 30 days. That seems to me to be the fault of the person playing, not the game. 

I often wonder when are people going to understand that these games do not have to be finished in the blink of an eye and that the only reason this is happening is because of the player...

MMOs just wouldn't be any fun unless we could yell "UR DOIN IT RONG!" at somebody.

Too fast, too slow, not roleplaying, not PVPing, too hardcore, too casual, too themepark, too sandbox, too social, not social enough.

Don't forget the biggest one "it is NOT a MMO"!!!

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