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  Foomerang

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A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still

10/27/13 7:23:37 PM#41


Originally posted by lugal

THe price point for consoles is higher than PC. Games also are more expensive. The only thing the lowers the price is age of the hardware. Just like the PC. XBox One is $500, I can build a system with better specs for less. About to buy a micro ATX system I got from newegg to use for a entertainment system. With everything, It comes out to just over $350.

I do agree that PC has a config issue for developers, but it is not a new issue.


I see your point but I think you are overlooking the fact that PC devs don't support 500 dollar PCs. Sure you can throw a cheap PC gaming rig but you are going to be playing all your games at low end with poor driver support on hardware that's considered "old and outdated" by PC hardware standards. You can play old games on max settings which is nice. But you will not get the level of developer love that consoles enjoy.

Take a console that is already substandard compared to PC gaming rigs and yet you will still see tons of R&D pored into the console and devs trying to one-up each other for delivering the highest quality visuals and most powerful engines. You simply don't see that in PC games. Cheap PCs get the "low setting" treatment and most of their R&D goes into just making sure their game works on the plethora of hardware configurations out there.

Obviously in the right hands with the right environment, PC games will blow the doors off a console in terms of raw graphical and engine power. But really how often does that happen and for how long even with one graphic card let alone an entire rig.


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  lugal

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10/27/13 7:28:39 PM#42
Originally posted by Classicstar

 


Originally posted by Livnthedream
Lol. So much butthurt. Whether he is a douchebag or not is immaterial, he is absolutely right. But hey guys, denigrate him and continue to believe that you magically know more.

 

He is partly right but common i think that guy is a office guy with white shirt and tie and same good smelling parfume watching wallstreet sheets if he makes money.

But most PC gamers are responsible for the wrath of console players/developers/publishers by indeed go to torrent sides and download games illegal and not pay for them.

Many small game companys already bankrupt becouse of this.

Its maybe becouse CD PROJECT SURVIVED with The Witcher 2 was becouse its good enough to at least sold enough copies to survive but there where more illegal copies downloaded then sold copies SHAME to all who done that i hate them even more then this dumb guy in the video.

That guy is not a gamer he just earns money to say this.

He also have no respect he need to learn some social skills instead acting like a prick who knows it all.

What i don't understand is that guys like him but so many others specially console players think where weirdo's sitting in some dark dungeon with no social life playing games alone.

I prefer that yes i think is dumb sitting on a couche with friends drinking beer playing stupit console games.

 

Where is your proof of the companies going out of business due to piracy? I call bullshit on your statement.

I only have to go to torrentfreak(dot)com and read the numerous reports of the corporate lies about piracy hurting profits. Music and movies are making more money now than they ever have. http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-isnt-hurting-the-entertainment-industry-121003/

 

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  acidblood

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10/27/13 7:31:20 PM#43

He's not entirely wrong... playing on a couch with a mouse and keyboard isn't the most comfortable (though it can certainly be done). What he fails to mention is that while some games are better (or just as good) in front of a 50" TV with a controller, there are still a lot of games that are just so much easier / better to play on a 24" Monitor with a mouse and keyboard.

So yeah, you can keep your stupid PC controllers, I'll stick to my PC (with mouse and keyboard) for PC games and consoles for console games.

  Tamanous

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10/27/13 7:43:09 PM#44

Wow!

 

Look at all the people stereotyping both sides of the spectrum. Consoles are gaming machines and simple multi-media boxes. Pc's can offer the same but can provide a vast spectrum of other choices IF REQUIRED! Not all people require these additional options because of 2 limiting forces:

 

1. Cost

2. Complexity 

 

Those are the ONLY reasons why pc's will never be the main center of the everyman's living room entertainment center. I for one use my pc as my entertainment center. I watch TV, use the internet, listen to music, take calls and messages through Skype using a bluetooth headset (all new mobo's have bluetooth build in now minus the cheap crap).

 

I do not play games 2 feet from my screen as I run everything at 1080p on a large screen LED TV. My mouse and keyboard are put away when not required. I can use any bluetooth extension or remote control device for normal browsing if I want. 

 

But here is the difference this #%&@ing idiot from the video isn't considering: My pc is also my office center. I REQUIRE a keyboard and mouse for emails, our ticketing system, citrix remote sessions, etc. How the flipping f$#k am I to do this on a console? How I am to communicate through typed communication in games with a console controller or even a tablet that has an awkward keyboard that takes up half the screen? How am I to play the socially oriented games I prefer that are designed for KB+mouse? If I wish to use a controller or joystick I can very easily do so as well.

 

So this is the problem with this thread and the video that spawned it. Too many people leaping upon stereotypes when the real situation is one of targeted marketing. There will always be people who only play games on consoles. There will always be people who only use pc's for games and/or business. There will be people who use both and for differing reasons.

 

The simple truth is that very few people have the knowledge or gumption  to bother to learn how to use a pc enough to take advantage of it's full spectrum of services. The cost is prohibitive if you only use it for one thing. You may as well use a smartphone or tablet for internet browsing or social media and chat. You may as well only use consoles for most video games. You WILL however be forced to use a full powered computer for many other things. There are games that are designed only for such computing capacity.

 

Now if everyone would stop turtling into their chosen camps and realize how stupid they sound, you may become enlightened enough to recognize why so many differing platforms exist and that you aren't part of a  "team" but merely a consumer using a product that meets your requirements.

 

Now for the guy in the video: I am shocked that someone of his age lacks such maturity, objective thinking and the enlightenment to understand that freedom of choice is allowed in this culture. He sounds like a teenage kid blindly defending their narrow point of view because they lack the life experience to know otherwise or simply refuse the validity of alternate methodology. A teenage kid is allowed such a stance as it is a part of the growth of the human mind within this complex social structure we call modern living. That guy is simply a douche ... and I use that term correctly.

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  bingbongbros

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10/27/13 8:01:26 PM#45
what an asshole lol. why is that crotchety old man even talking

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  User Deleted
10/27/13 8:25:18 PM#46
This guy pretty much just spoke the truth. The cool thing is too, devs are also figuring out that it's no longer about graphics. I don't know if steambox will be the pc white knight though because the "real" game devs dont like where pc gaming has gone and it's mostly due to the freedom devs have on pc. It's a double edge sword.
  Tamanous

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10/27/13 8:33:28 PM#47
Originally posted by Rockniss
This guy pretty much just spoke the truth. The cool thing is too, devs are also figuring out that it's no longer about graphics. I don't know if steambox will be the pc white knight though because the "real" game devs dont like where pc gaming has gone and it's mostly due to the freedom devs have on pc. It's a double edge sword.

It isn't about it there is truth behind his words or not. It is about how he delivers his opinion. It is classless and heaped in ignorance. You can speak the truth but the your reasons for reaching such a conclusion can be completely wrong. Both being in sync are very important. How you express your opinion is very important indeed.

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  Ikonis

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10/27/13 8:53:23 PM#48
Originally posted by Tamanous
Originally posted by Rockniss
This guy pretty much just spoke the truth. The cool thing is too, devs are also figuring out that it's no longer about graphics. I don't know if steambox will be the pc white knight though because the "real" game devs dont like where pc gaming has gone and it's mostly due to the freedom devs have on pc. It's a double edge sword.

It isn't about it there is truth behind his words or not. It is about how he delivers his opinion. It is classless and heaped in ignorance. You can speak the truth but the your reasons for reaching such a conclusion can be completely wrong. Both being in sync are very important. How you express your opinion is very important indeed.

Except when people deliver their opinions in the same way but leans towards the hive mind bias, we would be hearing how he is 'telling it like it is'.

  hcoelho

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10/27/13 8:57:15 PM#49

Mr. Pach is a great guy.

 

You can cry all you want, he is just right. And don't go arround thinking you know more than he does about game sales and the business side of games. He might not understand everything tech related nor our minds( he is a gamer himself, though). But he makes a living telling the big guys how the market will behave and he seems good at it. 

He understands the business side and the money side. And thats what this shit is about, money. 

Gaming is a fucking business and PC is a plataform that is not good for business. WE told them that. The reasons why are already explained on this thread. 

Sooo, you have 2 options. Adapt or keep crying.  Consoles are the future for gaming, PC gaming will never die but it'll never be on top again. 

 

 

  User Deleted
10/27/13 9:02:58 PM#50
Originally posted by H.Coelho

Mr. Pach is a great guy.

 

You can cry all you want, he is just right. And don't go arround thinking you know more than he does about game sales and the business side of games. He might not understand everything tech related nor our minds( he is a gamer himself, though). But he makes a living telling the big guys how the market will behave and he seems good at it. 

He understands the business side and the money side. And thats what this shit is about, money. 

Gaming is a fucking business and PC is a plataform that is not good for business. WE told them that. The reasons why are already explained on this thread. 

Sooo, you have 2 options. Adapt or keep crying.  Consoles are the future for gaming, PC gaming will never die but it'll never be on top again. 

 

 

 

It will come back again, 2 to 3 years before the release of ps5 and xbox two. At that time the game devs will unload an arsenal of so call"f2p" games
  Gardavsshade

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10/27/13 9:09:41 PM#51
Originally posted by H.Coelho

Mr. Pach is a great guy.

 

You can cry all you want, he is just right. And don't go arround thinking you know more than he does about game sales and the business side of games. He might not understand everything tech related nor our minds( he is a gamer himself, though). But he makes a living telling the big guys how the market will behave and he seems good at it. 

He understands the business side and the money side. And thats what this shit is about, money. 

Gaming is a fucking business and PC is a plataform that is not good for business. WE told them that. The reasons why are already explained on this thread. 

Sooo, you have 2 options. Adapt or keep crying.  Consoles are the future for gaming, PC gaming will never die but it'll never be on top again. 

 

 

Take you money and hit the road Jack. I as a Gamer do not give one Iota about whether or not someone makes a pile of dollars out of a MMO or not. If the game plays well, if it is fun and rewarding to Players, THAT is what matters to me as a Gamer.

Whether the Guy in the video knows what he talks about is another matter... but the way you tell it all that matters in the Universe is cold hard cash....YOU may believe that crap but as far as I am concerned you can keep your money religion to yourself.

Oh and btw, I am not some young Person who's never had a job... I am over 50 and have worked all my life and now am retired due to the fruit of my labors... but one thing I learned long ago...

We work to live, to pay the bills. We do not live to work.


Nothing to see here... just another MMO Ghost....

  Scypheroth

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10/27/13 9:10:25 PM#52
WHO is this guy and why the hell shoudl i even register his comments in my brain...never heard of him so he dosent matter at all...PERIOD!

  aRtFuLThinG

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10/27/13 9:15:28 PM#53
Originally posted by Livnthedream
Lol. So much butthurt. Whether he is a douchebag or not is immaterial, he is absolutely right. But hey guys, denigrate him and continue to believe that you magically know more.

Actually he is absolutely wrong.

 

Gamer's PC preference was not even about controllers.

 

It is about that fact that PC is an open platform that you can install whatever OS you want on it (or even run both) so that you don't have to own a dozen of consoles instead; and the fact that PC is moddable, whether it be hardware wise of the fact that you can only develop game editors or mods FROM PC.

 

Controllers doesn't even matter a to 10th of those things above.

 

That guy actually is very biased. He does realise that his staff develops those games USING PCs right?

  Hrimnir

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10/27/13 9:28:56 PM#54
Originally posted by Livnthedream
Originally posted by ElRenmazuo

*snip*

@everyone who keeps focusing on controller vs mouse:

THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE MARKET DOES NOT CARE IF THE MOUSE IS MORE ACCURATE.  Clearly if they did then consoles would not be absolutely crushing the pc market. Similarly Tawess argument that pc's are better cause you can upgrade them, the market does not really care. Go take a look at the Steam Survey!

The only reason console gamers ARENT using mice and keyboards in FPS games and the like is because they add in absurd amounts of auto aim into those games.  I dont give a shit what you say, controllers are only superior for fighting games.

How many RTS games do you see on consoles?  Just about 0, why is that you ask.  Because they are basically unplayable with a controller.

MMO's are the same thing, they have to basically ultra simplify the UI and the whole game just because of the ball and chain that is a controller.

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  Darkholme

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10/27/13 10:01:59 PM#55
Insulting, stereotyping nerd-baiting jackass... typical tactics of bad "journalism". Just ignore him or turn on adblock on Game Trailers and don't give them ad revenue.

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  aesperus

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10/27/13 10:12:56 PM#56

So much missinformation.

First off, the guy is wrong. He might be correct that consoles currently hold a larger market (within the gaming world), but his reasons are completely idiotic. It has nothing to do w/ user inputs. NONE.

Secondly, the reason PCs are behind has almost nothing to do w/ hardware. It's a combination of marketting, and PCs being an open platform. So here's the heart of the situation.

Consoles:

- Consoles have forever been the convenient (toy) gaming platform. They have always been meant for 1 thing. Playing games from the comfort of your living room. They are easy to use, cheap (without having to know much about what you're buying), and they are all the same. In a single word, consoles are accessible.

- However, it is no secret that nowadays developers are realizing that there is a downside to how consoles have been made. For one, they are falling so far behind what PCs can do, that their benefit has shrunk dramatically. As such, with this latest generation of consoles, you are seeing developers scrambling to add in all kinds of extra features in an attempt to make consoles more appealing. In short, they are trying to make consoles more like PCs.

PC:

- PCs have forever been about freedom. You can build them how you want. Put the hardware you want (including a controller if desired). You can load the software you want, and customize it how you want. This is an advantage consoles do not have. However, such freedom comes with a downside.

- Because PCs have so much flexibility, developers have to factor this in while optimizing their games. They have to optimize for dozens of potential setups, as opposed to only one or two. In other words, it's more expensive to develope for PC, if you want to appeal to a large chunk of the market. Otherwise you run into issues where people cannot run your game, because they do not have the same setup you tested the game under.

Furthermore PCs have a higher base knowledge requirement than consoles. You dont have to know about anything when owning a console. Just how to plug it in. PCs are a bit of a different story. There is a decent amount of knowledge required to fully utilize your PC machine. However, more and more people are meeting those base requirements as PCs are becoming more and more necessary.

*** To sum things up, what's going on is completely different from what 99% of you are saying. Neither PCs or consoles are the 'superior' way. They are merging. PC gaming is starting to become more like console gaming & visa versa. They are becoming one in the same.

*** Another thing to consider, though, is how consoles affect game design. In order to make games work on a console, many of them are forced to be dumbed down. This makes them more accessible, as well as allows them to be played with a controller. While this is nice, this is also a phenomena many gamers are starting to show resistance to. This isn't to say it will dissappear, but rather may not be the status quo ~20-30 years from now.

- All the guy in the video is doing is parroting the status quo, and insulting anyone who doesn't think like he does. The very embodiment of ignorance.

  hcoelho

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Joined: 5/01/08
Posts: 498

10/27/13 10:13:31 PM#57
Originally posted by Gardavsshade
Originally posted by H.Coelho

Mr. Pach is a great guy.

 

You can cry all you want, he is just right. And don't go arround thinking you know more than he does about game sales and the business side of games. He might not understand everything tech related nor our minds( he is a gamer himself, though). But he makes a living telling the big guys how the market will behave and he seems good at it. 

He understands the business side and the money side. And thats what this shit is about, money. 

Gaming is a fucking business and PC is a plataform that is not good for business. WE told them that. The reasons why are already explained on this thread. 

Sooo, you have 2 options. Adapt or keep crying.  Consoles are the future for gaming, PC gaming will never die but it'll never be on top again. 

 

 

Take you money and hit the road Jack. I as a Gamer do not give one Iota about whether or not someone makes a pile of dollars out of a MMO or not. If the game plays well, if it is fun and rewarding to Players, THAT is what matters to me as a Gamer.

Whether the Guy in the video knows what he talks about is another matter... but the way you tell it all that matters in the Universe is cold hard cash....YOU may believe that crap but as far as I am concerned you can keep your money religion to yourself.

Oh and btw, I am not some young Person who's never had a job... I am over 50 and have worked all my life and now am retired due to the fruit of my labors... but one thing I learned long ago...

We work to live, to pay the bills. We do not live to work.

Read it again, you will get it, maybe.

 

Im a gamer and i play games i like. The industry gives a shit about it... an individual means shit. In the end the majority opinion is what matters, and thats a fucking fact. The industry goes where the money goes. Thats not religion, thats capitalism. And you are old enough to get that.

Why every MMO is going F2P these days ?!   MONEY !!

Why PC is far behind consoles these days ?! MONEY !!

Who gives them money ?!  YOU !! (WE !)

 

 

 

 

 

  doragon86

Elite Member

Joined: 2/23/09
Posts: 573

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

10/27/13 10:20:23 PM#58
Hmm? I don't care what sort of input I'm using for PC, whether keyboard/mouse or controller. Consoles games are pirated fairly easily as well nowadays, in the past it was tougher though. Also a few studies have shown that piracy doesn't adversely affect game sales. If it's a good game, folks will support the company willingly in order for more games to be made. If the game is terrible, don't start blaming it on piracy. I think the real reason that some companies often do not make games for PC is simply cause they're usually being paid by console makers. If all games were on PC as well there wouldn't be much reason to get a console unless it's simply preference. But yea... whatever. 

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  NaughtyP

Novice Member

Joined: 12/02/11
Posts: 795

10/27/13 10:29:36 PM#59

Well, I play both PC and console so I don't really care... but the major problem is that he is wrong about some things. For example, piracy being a PC issue only. Am I the only person who knew of people pirating Dreamcast, PSX/PS2 and XBox games? I kinda doubt it. Pirating will happen no matter how many security features you throw into the mix. And if they can't pirate and play on the original system, people will rip it, reverse-engineer it, and emulate it on a PC a year or two later.

Consoles have their own set of hurdles. Everyone knows that when generation 1 consoles get released they will probably break (red ring, overheating, etc.) in 6 months and systems will launch with 15-20 titles, most of which are simply built so that developers can get their feet wet. You probably won't be seeing the next TES installment on any launch days. You will see the crap titles though which will be $14.99 at Wal-Mart 6 months later while still stalking the Bethesda forums hoping for a nibble on a release date for a game that doesn't suck. PC gamers don't really have to deal with this. The PC gaming market doesn't have to wait on next-gen hardware... because it's up to the consumer to go out and get it, not wait on the console manufacturer to add another 4GB of RAM to their next system.

I doubt there will be a day when one gaming platform destroys another. If anyone does do it, it will be Steam and their projects which have the potential to bridge the PC/Console experience more than anyone out there thus far.

Enter a whole new realm of challenge and adventure.

  stevebombsquad

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Joined: 3/20/13
Posts: 531

10/27/13 10:30:44 PM#60
Originally posted by Inf666
Originally posted by Livnthedream
Originally posted by Inf666

Since 2010 the revenue from PC games is higher than from consoles. Currently it is 11,6 bil $ vs 8,2 bil $ (I googled it).

Ignoring your conspiracy theory gibberish, got a link? Cause the only way that list makes sense is if you are including mobile apps and the like.

Here are three links I found by googling:

http://www.destructoid.com/pc-vs-console-gaming-infographic-pc-is-making-a-comeback-212611.phtml

http://www.gamezone.de/Umfrage-Thema-136900/News/PC-vs-Konsolen-Welches-System-macht-am-meisten-Umsatz-Lesernews-1078338/

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/127259/Nvidia_PC_Game_Revenue_To_Surpass_Console_In_2014.php

They all have different numbers, but what they have in common is that PC and console gaming revenues are close in value with PC gaming on the rise.

They include social network games...... 

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