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Trials of Ascension

Trials of Ascension 

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  liva98989

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OP  10/27/13 9:09:03 AM#1

Trials of Ascension just updated their kickstarter with a lot of new (and some old) news! 

Also a lot of awesome stretchgoals! Go check it out! :D! 

Kickstarter page:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/forgedchaos/trials-of-ascension-a-truly-innovative-mmorpg?ref=live

 


  MumboJumbo

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10/27/13 9:20:32 AM#2
These are actually very solid stretch goals with real expansion of gamplay. That is what I look for in kickstarter if they go for stretch goals as with many ks projects the stretch goals are gaming the system in book to get greedy. But these are really quality eg new races which play differently etc! That is v cool to see.
  cheeseheads

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10/27/13 9:27:45 AM#3
game looked good till i read the death penalty.  but i do wish them good luck cause im sure there are people out there who like that kind of thing and would love to play it
  Ice-Queen

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10/27/13 9:31:38 AM#4
Originally posted by cheeseheads
game looked good till i read the death penalty.  but i do wish them good luck cause im sure there are people out there who like that kind of thing and would love to play it

Perma-Death killed it for me too. I wanted to pledge til I read that :(

We need mmorpg's of all types though, so for those that like perma-death, I wish it does well for them.

What happens when you log off your characters????.....
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  monochrome19

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10/27/13 9:50:47 AM#5

Why are people so scared of permadeath? It makes it exciting.

If you've played any old school game you had a lot less than 100 lives, you only get 3.

Game looks good though, I'll definitely check it out.

  Tissmogi

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10/27/13 10:14:22 AM#6

I don't mind perma death, what i do mind is this 100 death counters nonsense. Either make perma death or not.

Sadly this Kickstarter will not make it's goal since the whole presentation and the "gameplay" footage they show is too generic. I think what most of these indie developers need is some advice on how to present a product and get people excited.

  liva98989

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OP  10/27/13 10:29:56 AM#7
Originally posted by Tissmogi

I don't mind perma death, what i do mind is this 100 death counters nonsense. Either make perma death or not.

Sadly this Kickstarter will not make it's goal since the whole presentation and the "gameplay" footage they show is too generic. I think what most of these indie developers need is some advice on how to present a product and get people excited.

The 100 death counters are because you might die because of lag, game crashing etc. so it's a compromise. I think the kickstarter will reach it goal. But the reason it's not well presentated is because they don't use money on any type of advertisement, the only reason the game is known is because it's community is talking about it on forums etc. And even so the video isn't the best high quality you could wish for, it's still decent to think that this is alpha (early) and that this game is only about to start being developed! 

And isn't it better that people get excited about the game, then some "cinematic" that many games use to present their games. I remember GW2 being a game with an awesome cinematic (And don't get me wrong, I still play and love GW2) but that didn't change the fact that I got a little disapointed because I thought that some of the things in the cinematic was also in the game, but they weren't.

 

(Sorry for any gramma mistakes that might be in my post)


  Loktofeit

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10/27/13 10:31:45 AM#8
Originally posted by monochrome19

Why are people so scared of permadeath? It makes it exciting.

Why do you assume they are scared of it? I prefer Rocky Roads Ice Cream over Green Tea Ice Cream. That doesn't mean I am afraid of green tea; I just don't care for it. 

 

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  cheeseheads

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10/27/13 10:42:08 AM#9
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by monochrome19

Why are people so scared of permadeath? It makes it exciting.

Why do you assume they are scared of it? I prefer Rocky Roads Ice Cream over Green Tea Ice Cream. That doesn't mean I am afraid of green tea; I just don't care for it. 

 

this 1000x.  just cause a person doesnt like what you like does not mean they are afraid or scared.   we all like different things just deal with it

  liva98989

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OP  10/27/13 10:53:13 AM#10
Originally posted by cheeseheads
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by monochrome19

Why are people so scared of permadeath? It makes it exciting.

Why do you assume they are scared of it? I prefer Rocky Roads Ice Cream over Green Tea Ice Cream. That doesn't mean I am afraid of green tea; I just don't care for it. 

 

this 1000x.  just cause a person doesnt like what you like does not mean they are afraid or scared.   we all like different things just deal with it

Yea, but there are many people that ARE scared of permadeath, so deal with that. (He didn't say that every person going against permadeath are scared of it, he just said that there were a lot, and there are. 

So deal with that ):>!


  Braindome

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10/27/13 11:02:56 AM#11

I for one don't have a preference one way or another. I can deal with permadeath or not, as long as the game is challenging is all I care about.

With that being said the most important things to understand when you play a game with permadeath is to:

A:) Plan Ahead

and 

B:) Have a Backup Plan

and 

C:) Always watch you back (aka, keep your back to the wall)

Those three things are essential and must ALWAYS be understood, otherwise you are just going to be frustrated constantly if you just go into the game not realizing that you may die and that it is a serious thing. Hide behind a tree, a rock, whatever as long as you live, there is no such thing as being a coward in a game with permadeath it's all about survival.

Never go in thinking you are the be all, kill all, billy bad ass, cause that is when you will die. Constant attention is essential.

  Sovrath

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10/27/13 11:09:07 AM#12
Originally posted by monochrome19

Why are people so scared of permadeath? It makes it exciting.

Well, not all people find the same things exciting.

I can tell you that the death penatlty is not exciting to me. At all.

However, it is intriguing as it adds a sense of realism to the game. Basically you won't be around forever and I like that.

But I don't find it exciting.

I'm on the fence for pledging as I just don't know if these guys can pull it off.

  cheeseheads

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10/27/13 11:14:13 AM#13
Originally posted by liva98989
Originally posted by cheeseheads
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by monochrome19

Why are people so scared of permadeath? It makes it exciting.

Why do you assume they are scared of it? I prefer Rocky Roads Ice Cream over Green Tea Ice Cream. That doesn't mean I am afraid of green tea; I just don't care for it. 

 

this 1000x.  just cause a person doesnt like what you like does not mean they are afraid or scared.   we all like different things just deal with it

Yea, but there are many people that ARE scared of permadeath, so deal with that. (He didn't say that every person going against permadeath are scared of it, he just said that there were a lot, and there are. 

So deal with that ):>!

but i can read in between the lines like many others can.  so deal wtih that.  not sure why you are so butt hurt that others dont like what you do but deal with it and move on also welcome to my block list :)  deal wtth that

  Myrdynn

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10/27/13 11:21:55 AM#14

bummed this is the first game I have backed on KS.

at its current pace, it wont even get close to what its asking for, much less stretch goals.

I wonder why companies put their goal so high, so they end up getting nothing.

This might reach 200k, which would help them alot, but if it doesnt reach 750, they get nothing

 

  Kyleran

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10/27/13 11:31:49 AM#15
Originally posted by liva98989
Originally posted by cheeseheads
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by monochrome19

Why are people so scared of permadeath? It makes it exciting.

Why do you assume they are scared of it? I prefer Rocky Roads Ice Cream over Green Tea Ice Cream. That doesn't mean I am afraid of green tea; I just don't care for it. 

 

this 1000x.  just cause a person doesnt like what you like does not mean they are afraid or scared.   we all like different things just deal with it

Yea, but there are many people that ARE scared of permadeath, so deal with that. (He didn't say that every person going against permadeath are scared of it, he just said that there were a lot, and there are. 

So deal with that ):>!

No one is "afraid" or scared of permadeath, not in same way that they might be of dying, or hurricanes or living in poverty.

But most people will avoid a permadeath game, because the mechanic really goes completely against what makes RPG and MMORPG's the games they are.

Progression defines the genre, and permadeath means an end of progression, hence it doesn't mesh well with the design of a RPG game.

Single player games provided save game slots so you could avoid permadeath, and MMO's not having such a thing can't really employ it in any reasonable fashion and remain MMORPG's.

Not saying you can't build a permadeath game, just saying unless it is designed around some very unique mechanics, you won't find much an audience for it, at least among those who enjoy playing MMORPG's.

 

 

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  MumboJumbo

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10/27/13 11:46:51 AM#16
Originally posted by Myrdynn

bummed this is the first game I have backed on KS.

at its current pace, it wont even get close to what its asking for, much less stretch goals.

I wonder why companies put their goal so high, so they end up getting nothing.

This might reach 200k, which would help them alot, but if it doesnt reach 750, they get nothing

 

This mmorpg TOA is perhaps one of the most interesting I have seen of upcoming mmorpgs.

But I agree, I fear the target is too high. You normally get a big beginning which is the core fanbase. That is usually equal or more to the end so that would be about 100k on that alone. Then the lean middle to match that about 200k. Yet a weak beginning in that ratio and you then see why some ks fail big, others just pip it and others blast past really early and continue generating money.

  Ice-Queen

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10/27/13 11:57:24 AM#17
Originally posted by monochrome19

Why are people so scared of permadeath? It makes it exciting.

If you've played any old school game you had a lot less than 100 lives, you only get 3.

Game looks good though, I'll definitely check it out.

I'm not afraid of it, I just don't care for the mechanic in an MMORPG. Single player game, fine..Not for an MMORPG.

What happens when you log off your characters????.....
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  Loktofeit

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10/27/13 1:26:03 PM#18
Originally posted by liva98989
Originally posted by cheeseheads
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by monochrome19

Why are people so scared of permadeath? It makes it exciting.

Why do you assume they are scared of it? I prefer Rocky Roads Ice Cream over Green Tea Ice Cream. That doesn't mean I am afraid of green tea; I just don't care for it. 

this 1000x.  just cause a person doesnt like what you like does not mean they are afraid or scared.   we all like different things just deal with it

Yea, but there are many people that ARE scared of permadeath, so deal with that. (He didn't say that every person going against permadeath are scared of it, he just said that there were a lot, and there are. 

So deal with that ):>!

I don't think you and monochrome realize how much you two contribute to the reasons people shy away from these discussions. 

Enjoy! O7

 

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  Loktofeit

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10/27/13 1:29:28 PM#19
Originally posted by The1ceQueen
Originally posted by monochrome19

Why are people so scared of permadeath? It makes it exciting.

If you've played any old school game you had a lot less than 100 lives, you only get 3.

Game looks good though, I'll definitely check it out.

I'm not afraid of it, I just don't care for the mechanic in an MMORPG. Single player game, fine..Not for an MMORPG.

Same here. I never seem to have a problem with it in single player or even multiplayer for that matter. I think it's just that it's a tacked on arena type thing in a progression based game in MMOs that I rarely find it fun. 

"And wikipedia is as accurate as Britannica. Wikipedia is very reliable. You would be hard pressed to find a more reliable source for these kinds of things." -fovoroth

  monochrome19

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10/27/13 1:42:13 PM#20
Why am I being demonized? :(
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