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  Mors.Magne

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10/24/13 8:06:11 AM#121

PvP MMORPGs favor particular groups of people that have unusual amounts of time to spend on online gaming.

 

These people are not necessarily the nicest nor the most intelligent people.

 

I suspect many of these people are playing MMORPGs because they can't do anything else or they don't fit in anywhere else.

 

I can't prove this, but just because I can't measure something doesn't mean it's not true.

 

My experience - using TeamSpeak etc - informs me it probably is true - especially in the most 'hardcore' groups.

 

 

  Shodanas

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10/24/13 8:09:01 AM#122
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Zarak11
Play some DotA then,ul see the difference.

DOTA communities are like little angels compared to wretched people that play EVE.

Try the League of Legends EU east community and then we'll talk again. 

  uplink4242

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10/24/13 9:39:25 AM#123
Originally posted by Mors.Magne

 

I can't prove this, but just because I can't measure something doesn't mean it's not true.

 

 

 

Actually it does, it's called this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof

 

  uplink4242

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10/24/13 9:44:41 AM#124
Originally posted by Hariken
Originally posted by uplink4242

CCP is actually pretty strict enforcing those rules. Any kind of repeated harassment outside of game mechanics will get you punished.

People blowing your ship up has nothing to do with the community being good or bad. This is typical carebear tears flowing. 

Lol it has nothing to do with being carebear. You guys kill me with that carebear line you always hear from Eve players. The problem is that most people that  play this game are jerks period. And the game was made for them. There's no other game out there that lets you be a complete scumbag to other players. Its part of the game. If your not willing to be an ahole in this game to other players than the game is not for you. You guys can defend this game all you like. But its all bs. Its a niche game that caters to players that like treating others like crap.

Of course it has to do with being a carebear. Because the people that generally kill eachother usually shrug off their losses and continue to play witouth crying about it. From experience, it's usually the 'carebears' that get all worked up because someone decided to gank their miner in a game that's not supposed to be safe anywhere.

Ganking someone is not treating them like crap, it is not being an asshole, it is part of the game.  The whole point of the game is to have risks, and to have an experience that's not 100% restricted by the game rules. People aren't going to hold hands in a competitive game, but for some reason there are a few people that think they should be allowed to do everything they want with no interferece from others in a game that strictly advertises itself and is known for being the other way around. Until people understand this, threads like this on will keep existing when the game does not meet your false expectations.

  Hariken

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Joined: 7/15/13
Posts: 562

10/24/13 11:01:55 AM#125
Originally posted by uplink4242
Originally posted by Hariken
Originally posted by uplink4242

CCP is actually pretty strict enforcing those rules. Any kind of repeated harassment outside of game mechanics will get you punished.

People blowing your ship up has nothing to do with the community being good or bad. This is typical carebear tears flowing. 

Lol it has nothing to do with being carebear. You guys kill me with that carebear line you always hear from Eve players. The problem is that most people that  play this game are jerks period. And the game was made for them. There's no other game out there that lets you be a complete scumbag to other players. Its part of the game. If your not willing to be an ahole in this game to other players than the game is not for you. You guys can defend this game all you like. But its all bs. Its a niche game that caters to players that like treating others like crap.

Of course it has to do with being a carebear. Because the people that generally kill eachother usually shrug off their losses and continue to play witouth crying about it. From experience, it's usually the 'carebears' that get all worked up because someone decided to gank their miner in a game that's not supposed to be safe anywhere.

Ganking someone is not treating them like crap, it is not being an asshole, it is part of the game.  The whole point of the game is to have risks, and to have an experience that's not 100% restricted by the game rules. People aren't going to hold hands in a competitive game, but for some reason there are a few people that think they should be allowed to do everything they want with no interferece from others in a game that strictly advertises itself and is known for being the other way around. Until people understand this, threads like this on will keep existing when the game does not meet your false expectations.

Did you even read my post. I did say it was part of the game. And if that person is crying about getting ganked in this game then he/she is stupid for not doing any research into what this game is about. I stick by what i said.  The game was made for people that like crapping on someone else's gameplay whether they like it or not.

  Phry

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Joined: 7/01/04
Posts: 5331

10/24/13 11:19:09 AM#126
Eve, personally i think it has an awesome community, but, have to remember, this isnt toon town online. The only friends you have in game are your fellow Corp members, and Alliance members, everyone else, literally everyone else, is a potential if not definite target of opportunity. Solo players have a hard time because there is no safe haven, even high sec has its own risks, which are ignored only at your own peril. Eve's learning curve isnt just about finding which skills to learn, or which ship to fly or which modules to fit even, those are just mechanics, probably the hardest thing to do in Eve is find a corporation to join that suits what you want out of the game, usually its also finding out what you want out of the game in the first place, so if i had to say what type of community Eve had, i would say its an extremely 'varied' one, where communities are often defined by language as much as ideals, its just another of the 'unique' things about Eve.
  Adalwulff

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10/24/13 11:22:33 AM#127

I've played EVE off and on for the last 5 years, and the community is always the main reason I leave.

Even if youre a PvE player, wanting to do nothing but missions and mining, you will still never find any peace. There are far too many scumbags ready to ruin your day, and they call it fun.

In EVE, griefing IS the end game

  apocoluster

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\m/,

10/24/13 11:25:12 AM#128
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  CactusJack

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Joined: 9/11/10
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10/24/13 11:48:25 AM#129

You might as well get used to these threads. I started playing EvE back in 2003 and they were just as prevalent then. Here's what the OP needs to get....CCP makes it clear what they consider to be harrassment and griefing....and what is not.

Example one: I'm in a .8 system mining Kernite in my retriever. Evil pirate shows up, targets me, scrams me/webs me...and then proceeds to blow up my ship. Concorde intercedes and destroys his ship. I got back to station in pod, retrieve hauler. I jump back to belt and pick up my belongings. This is gameplay as intended. Your butthurt feelings, your filing a griefing report...all of it will be ignored and posting such things lead to threads like this. 

Example two: I'm in .8 system mining trit in my osprey. Evil pirate shows up and blows up my ship. I then go back to station, retrieve my hauler and evil pirates friends destroy the hauler, my egg and all my life's possessions. I awake in a new clone and file a grieving ticket...this will also be ignored as this is normal gameplay.

Example three: I am flying to Jita to put all my pretty shines on the market in 4-4 when after aligning to a gate in a .7 system...two mean ships decloak and blow me up. Their friends collect all my surviving loot, they destroy my egg. After awakening in my new clone, the mean people then wardec my brand new corp that my friends and I just started. Over the next three weeks, they find us mining, mission running in our PvE/mining ships and blow us up. I file a grief ticket with CCP and make 17 posts on various forums...nothing good results. This is normal game play and CCP thanks you for understanding.

Example four: I am flying through ONE low security system to meet my friends for the mining op. Upon decloaking/aligning I notice all these flashing red players around me scramming/webbing me. They ask me to join their TS/Vent channel and sing my country's national anthem or recite a haiku poem of their request. I am angry, but do it. They then release my ship, and I go on my way. I tell my friends upon arrival and they encourage me to file a griefing ticket. I do. Nothing happens. Game play as intended.

Example five: I am undocking in Amarr Prime and a player tells me that I can double my money if I send him 10 mil isk. I do. He PM's me and gives me 20 mil isk. I then send him 100 mil and he never returns my isk, nor returns my PM's. I then file a grief report. CCP then tells me this is allowed under normal gameplay. Choose whom you give isk to more closely next time.

Example six: I am flying to my destination from my level 4 agent to do my mission. Upon arrival, two evil players blow up my ship. I ask in local why they did that. They tell me that i'm a "d-bag" and I deserve to lose that raven. I ask why. They then tell me that my name sounds "gay" and all "gay people should die". I then file a grief ticket. CCP then bans their accounts. That is griefing and they are what makes the rest of EvE look bad. If they want to say that crap, they should never say it in local or in a pm. All convo's are recorded in game, via logs. If you can produce this log, said player will be reprimanded. 

This is what separates pirates from griefers, in the eyes of CCP. I can kill you anywhere, I can declare war on you/your corp for no apparent reason. I can do alot of things. I can not belittle you in chat. I can not post threads about killing, scamming, whatever b/c of your race, sexual orientation, etc. 

If people understood these things, these type of posts would disappear.

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  uplink4242

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10/24/13 1:19:22 PM#130
Yeah, that's what I've been trying to say so far. So many people have a flawed understanding that all forms of PVP are open, and non consensual everywhere. It's no different than trying to play CoD or Dota and complain that people keep killing you. That's what the game is for. Those people aren't there to ruin your day, they are not there to be assholes, EvE is simply an open world survival game with lots of side activities to do - it is not a theme park game where you do what you want with no risks and then queue up for an arena everytime you want some PVP. So many people are used to PVE and PVP being mutually excusive in other games that they find the idea of an integrated world to be shocking and appaling, when in fact, it is EXACTLY what the game is about.
  Loktofeit

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10/24/13 2:38:06 PM#131
[mod edit]

Is that one of the "I can't prove it but that doesn't mean it's not true" things that are popping up around here? ;) 

"And wikipedia is as accurate as Britannica. Wikipedia is very reliable. You would be hard pressed to find a more reliable source for these kinds of things." -fivoroth

  Hazelle

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Joined: 1/20/11
Posts: 773

10/26/13 1:54:53 AM#132

I have noticed that there's a hightened desperation in the behavior of scammers and gankers in this game.

There seems to be a desire to land the biggest fish without doing any work which is making the game experience read less novel.

If things keep up the true stories from the second decade will be absolutely cringeworthy.

  NetSage

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10/26/13 7:36:51 AM#133
We'll see something tells me war is coming and it's going to change a lot.
  Spiider

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10/26/13 7:48:55 AM#134

Agreed. Worst community ever. Also best community if you find a group that would grow to be your brothers from another mother. EVE is unlike any other game on both sides.

Still griefer paradise and devs actually encourage theft and griefing.

No fate but what we make, so make me a ham sandwich please.

  furbans

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10/26/13 7:52:32 AM#135
Originally posted by Adalwulff

I've played EVE off and on for the last 5 years, and the community is always the main reason I leave.

Even if youre a PvE player, wanting to do nothing but missions and mining, you will still never find any peace. There are far too many scumbags ready to ruin your day, and they call it fun.

In EVE, griefing IS the end game

That is what it is in every Open World PvP games.  WoW on PvP servers are the exact same thing, DF, Washu, you name it, this is how it's gonna be.  If you are a carebear then games like EVE are something one should avoid plain and simple.  Griefing is end game for SOME.  People always remember the few isolated bad experiences/interactions with players and quickly forget the good one even though they by far outnumber the bad ones.

EVE is a unique beast but I have to say the community and teamwork is something that MMOs in general lack.  Too much MMOs cater toward solo casual players and games like EVE one has to be part of a team if they want to get into the highest rewarding content.

One can easily do mining and missions solo without much threat in high sec, however if you wanting the higher end materials then encountering PC pirates in low-null sec is the risk you take and how it should be.

  Hazelle

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10/26/13 2:04:25 PM#136
Originally posted by furbans
Originally posted by Adalwulff

I've played EVE off and on for the last 5 years, and the community is always the main reason I leave.

Even if youre a PvE player, wanting to do nothing but missions and mining, you will still never find any peace. There are far too many scumbags ready to ruin your day, and they call it fun.

In EVE, griefing IS the end game

That is what it is in every Open World PvP games.  WoW on PvP servers are the exact same thing, DF, Washu, you name it, this is how it's gonna be.  If you are a carebear then games like EVE are something one should avoid plain and simple.  Griefing is end game for SOME.  People always remember the few isolated bad experiences/interactions with players and quickly forget the good one even though they by far outnumber the bad ones.

EVE is a unique beast but I have to say the community and teamwork is something that MMOs in general lack.  Too much MMOs cater toward solo casual players and games like EVE one has to be part of a team if they want to get into the highest rewarding content.

One can easily do mining and missions solo without much threat in high sec, however if you wanting the higher end materials then encountering PC pirates in low-null sec is the risk you take and how it should be.

Wow and their kind are worse than eve.

I can't remember how many times my toons where killed in wow or swtor or some dude blocked access to a clickable or some dude stole my kill, etc.

I can count on one hand how many times some PC in eve has tried something and it's never worked out for them.

As a PVE player I can control eve PKers by taking precautions that i can't take in wow.

  uplink4242

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10/26/13 2:28:24 PM#137
High sec is, in general very risk free if you're not flying something atrociously valuable. Of course, there are those exceptions when a ganker is bored but the chance is still minimal, to the point where several people have played for years and were never once suicide ganked.
  Angzt

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10/26/13 2:31:05 PM#138
Originally posted by Onsaboo

The community of this game absolutely appalls me. The amount of griefing and harrassment that goes on in this game these days is absolutely disgusting.

I'm a 4 year vet in the game yet I feel the overwhelming amount of idiots in the game is finally breaking me down. The fckery is rampant and completely unchecked.

flying low sec i guess? :)

 

but that's the idea of open world pvp. find a crew to guard you, and make em pay if they attack you. or... dont be attacked :)

"believe me, mike.. i calculated the odds of this working against the odds that i was doing something incredibly stupid… and i did it anyway!"

  gojja

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11/11/13 12:30:17 AM#139
Originally posted by Caldicot
EVE is a game where relations between players and trust really matters, which makes the social aspect truly amazing compared to other mmos.

Yep so true. There is always the possibility that someone you've been talking to for a year, that's been your friend, will suddenly stab you in the back and take you for all that you got. That's why trusting someone in a game where the first rule is to trust no one actually means something. The relationships you form within the community are worth something. Which is why you can find really, really good parts within that community.

  gojja

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11/11/13 12:55:47 AM#140
Originally posted by Adalwulff

I've played EVE off and on for the last 5 years, and the community is always the main reason I leave.

Even if youre a PvE player, wanting to do nothing but missions and mining, you will still never find any peace. There are far too many scumbags ready to ruin your day, and they call it fun.

In EVE, griefing IS the end game

What part of this has to do with the community? The community is the help you can get, the bonds you make, the ability to get together when it matters, the creativity and the support. You have a lot of players dedicating their entire play time to helping others, buidling large corporations around this idea. You got players making increadible 3rd part tools. You got a community that influence the game. You got a game where you have to collaborate on an increadible scale to make stuff happen, and people do.

And since when is Eve a pve game? If you do missions, transport goods, mine you have a plan, eyes and friends. You are taking risks. Carebearing is always risk vs return. The risk isn't some freaking NPC. The risk is other players. If you got something of value people will try to take it from you. That is the game as a carebear. This you should have understood your first week. If you don't like other people being able to destroy something for you and to kill you... then it's really, really obvious that this isn't your game. It's eve. You are going to die.

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