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  SBFord

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OP  10/23/13 8:55:51 PM#1

WildStar is a game that will include raids and dungeons, as most MMOs do. There are things, however, that need to happen to set the raid system apart from others. In our latest column, we take a look at WildStar raiding. Read on!

Rightly or wrongly, raiding has earned a bit of a bad reputation. In some corners it’s seen as an elitist activity enjoyed by a vocal and demanding minority of players. With others, its decay is seen as proof of a relentless dumbing-down by out-of-touch developers.

Depending on which side of the argument you fall on, Carbine’s plans will either make you grin with anticipation or facepalm in despair. Raiding in WildStar will be deliberately aimed at those who want brutal, unforgiving challenges. Executive Producer Jeremy Gaffney is aiming to deliver a game that the best raiding guilds in the world want to play, saying that it isn’t just “raiding for the sake of it.”  

Read more of Gareth Harmer's WildStar: Ready to Raid.

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  Robert_S4

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10/24/13 8:17:41 AM#2
Looking forward to trying out Wildstar. Been in the beta since the start of it but haven't gotten an invite yet. 40 man raids sounds interesting! =)

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  Avarix

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10/24/13 8:19:52 AM#3

Have to be honest, for a while I was been kind of 'MEH' about this game. The more I read and hear from the devs though, the more I am interested. I just hope most of what they say isn't spin. My main concern right now is combat and classes.

 

In most games when they introduce new classes, I have a hard time finding one I like. By trying to make new classes most games try new mechanics or to meld abilities from two classic classes into this new one(You no longer play a Wizard, but a Wizard that backstabs and carries a greatsword!). Most of the time I end up really disliking the classes and never finding one that fits. My other issue is the emphasis on telegraphs. I have no clue how this will play out but just from observation alone, it makes it seem like it will turn the fun of killing monsters into the MMO waltz. 

 

As for what they are saying about raiding, I like it. I am not a hardcore raider, never have been, but I think having a portion of the game that not everyone, or even a majority, gets to experience is an undervalued part of MMORPGs. I think it keeps players reaching, which will keep them playing. So far I am looking forward to this one.

  Lorimar

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10/24/13 9:40:28 AM#4

Aren't 40 players already considered "zergish"?

/sarcasm off

  bbates024

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10/24/13 9:56:54 AM#5
I can't wait! Thanks for another entertaining read Mr. Hammer!
  Mothanos

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10/24/13 9:57:39 AM#6

40 man raids where to most epics raids ever.

The scope of 40 people working togethre as a unit is something on a totaly other level then a 10 or 20 man raid.

 

Vanila wow had 40 man raids to and the best memory's still are from those days.

Glad to see WS holding on to this epic adventure :)

 

 

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  Dogblaster

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10/24/13 10:01:11 AM#7

Bring it on already :)

  Vorthanion

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10/24/13 10:05:26 AM#8
Originally posted by Avarix

Have to be honest, for a while I was been kind of 'MEH' about this game. The more I read and hear from the devs though, the more I am interested. I just hope most of what they say isn't spin. My main concern right now is combat and classes.

 

In most games when they introduce new classes, I have a hard time finding one I like. By trying to make new classes most games try new mechanics or to meld abilities from two classic classes into this new one(You no longer play a Wizard, but a Wizard that backstabs and carries a greatsword!). Most of the time I end up really disliking the classes and never finding one that fits. My other issue is the emphasis on telegraphs. I have no clue how this will play out but just from observation alone, it makes it seem like it will turn the fun of killing monsters into the MMO waltz. 

 

As for what they are saying about raiding, I like it. I am not a hardcore raider, never have been, but I think having a portion of the game that not everyone, or even a majority, gets to experience is an undervalued part of MMORPGs. I think it keeps players reaching, which will keep them playing. So far I am looking forward to this one.

Over-valued in my opinion.  It only keeps a small niche of gamers reaching.  What's worse, they are a very vocal and abusive group of gamers who constantly scream about new content, usually only the kind they like at the expense of everyone else, especially the masses who foot the bill for said raid content.  I think the typical formula of abusing regular gamers in order to subsidize elitist content is getting really, really old.

  Swids2010

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10/24/13 10:08:23 AM#9

One of the biggest things I am Excited about is 40 man raiding I hate that all mmo's at the moment seam to be reducing group size needed to complete content. Its called Massive Multiplayer for a reason would personally like to see a mmo that required grouping for all aspects of a game.

My biggest opinion of last few years goes out to all MMO developers if you create a game were nearly all the content can be done solo then you failed to create a MMO.

  Siris23

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10/24/13 10:18:25 AM#10

Well, I guess I'm happy the hardcore crowd gets their content, but it doesn't sound like there's going to be any casual raiding and I just can't schedule my time around an MMO any more.

Hopefully the "lots of other content" will include casual large group PvE content that will be just as entertaining as raiding. 

 
  jazz.be

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10/24/13 10:36:42 AM#11

I hope it compensates for the little amount of abilities.

Not sure which I prefer. 40 abilities or 40 man raids...

  Ice-Queen

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10/24/13 11:11:10 AM#12
I did 40 man raiding before, and I just couldn't see myself ever doing it again. It wasn't fun, even when it was challenging. It was still a gear grind, and I despise gear grinding mmorpg's.

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  Zap-Robo

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10/24/13 11:15:39 AM#13

Interrupt Armour did not exist in the WildStar sense in City of Heroes. City of Heroes had a Magnitiude system - in order to Hold a creature with Mag 5 Protection (which was not an easy to discover stat until late on in the game's history - when analyzer powers came in) you had to stack 6 or more points of Hold on the creature.

Plus, this does nothing for the durations of the powers - as soon as the duration of the first stack wears off then the mez is broken.

Each Hold power had it's own Magnitude as well, a AoE Hold might have been Mag 1, whereas a single-target attack could be Mag 2. You could not stack other mez types to "add up" to that Mag rating. So a Mag 3 Hold and a Mag 3 Immob would do nothing to a Mag 5 Mez Resistant Creature. Add to that, each Mag Resistance was individual to each mez type. Very messy system, but interesting as you could have mobs weak to one specific thing...

Compare this to WildStar where I believe Interrupt Armour is a depletable resource - each singular instance of a CC power will knock down the counter by one. This means once the IA is at zero, the next CC will take affect - for it's full duration. Plus you should be able to throw immobs, holds, confuses, etc. all at once and each will deplete the IA Counter.

This throws in a differing strategy than in CoH - making it easier to overcome IA and mez a boss as you don't all need to spam the same mez type, but more difficult as the last hit will control what mez type takes affect so more coordination is needed to get the desired effect.

All very interesting...

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  Seeker728

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10/24/13 11:21:36 AM#14
Originally posted by The1ceQueen
I did 40 man raiding before, and I just couldn't see myself ever doing it again. It wasn't fun, even when it was challenging. It was still a gear grind, and I despise gear grinding mmorpg's.

This.  Thanks for the insight as to what Wildstar will be aiming for, those who want that will hopefully form the entirety of its player base and everyone there will be happy.  Means other games will (hopefully) cater to tastes that don't want 40 man raids.  

As a vet of EQ1 days of raiding, then V-WoW on through Cata, bigger raids meant bigger headaches, 10 man was the sweet spot where lives and gaming were able to be balanced.  But for those who crave this sort of thing, hope Wildstar delivers for you, and I'm grateful to know this will be Wildstar's aim so that I can steer clear of it.

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  Zapzap

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10/24/13 11:55:50 AM#15
It has been confirmed for quite a awhile that 20 man and 40 man raids will have separate dungeons and not reuse the same dungeon.
  Zapzap

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10/24/13 11:59:03 AM#16
Originally posted by Siris23

Well, I guess I'm happy the hardcore crowd gets their content, but it doesn't sound like there's going to be any casual raiding and I just can't schedule my time around an MMO any more.

Hopefully the "lots of other content" will include casual large group PvE content that will be just as entertaining as raiding. 

 
 

20 man raids are for the casuals and will be tuned more for casuals.  They also have put a strong emphasis on creating endgame content for solo/casual players with monthly solo instances, small dungeons and new storylines.

  odiasuda

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10/24/13 12:05:35 PM#17
Well,  this takes the wind out of my sails a bit regarding this game.  Hopefully the end game PvP is good because, in my opinion, 20-40 man raids are as fun as getting a root canal without anesthetic, or perhaps watching a loved one being autopsied.
  azzamasin

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10/24/13 12:16:16 PM#18
Open Bosses in GW2 was considered zergy but 40 man in Wildstar is considered skillful?  I really do not get this site sometimes.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  Hrotha

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10/24/13 12:17:42 PM#19
Originally posted by odiasuda
Well,  this takes the wind out of my sails a bit regarding this game.  Hopefully the end game PvP is good because, in my opinion, 20-40 man raids are as fun as getting a root canal without anesthetic, or perhaps watching a loved one being autopsied.

With that few abiltiies? What exactly should be fun in WildStar PvP and Combat in general?

I fell asleep during the Closed Beta. So so much repetition that your brain flows out of your eyes... wheres is the variety??

  Ender4

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10/24/13 12:28:53 PM#20


Originally posted by azzamasin
Open Bosses in GW2 was considered zergy but 40 man in Wildstar is considered skillful?  I really do not get this site sometimes.


Well an organized 40 man raid can take a lot of work to control and use efficiently if the game is built to make use of it. GW2 is built such that 40 people mashing their faces on the keyboard can complete most content so it isn't quite the same.

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