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  immodium

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10/22/13 2:34:31 PM#41
Originally posted by Neo_Viper
Originally posted by immodium
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Neo_Viper

And believe me or not, I'm a very nice and helpful person in games. I just don't tolerate immature people (no matter their age) to ruin my gaming time, so I join guilds that fit my age and play style, and I do not like the general attitude of the console crowd either, I don't think they fit the MMORPG style well and they will only drag it lower than it already is, dumbing down the games and making them less and less about being a "RPG".

 

What MMORPG style?

Solo style? Epleen style? elite style? I think they will fit just right in.

 

Exactly. Its totally preposterous to think you have to have a higher intelligence level to play MMORPG's.

It's not a problem of intelligence. I'm sure there are scientists and other very intelligent people playing on consoles.

It's a problem of taking the game for what it is, a MMO, but also a RPG. The concept console gamers have of RPGs are very different from what a pen and paper and PC MMORPG veteran have.

Some people here seem to think the MMORPG genre has been dumbed down by games like WoW, mostly the RPG part. Well, they have seen nothing. If the console crowd ever takes over the genre, you will know what dumbing down really means. No more roleplaying, no communication either, dungeons run 100% like single player mario bross levels, no player interaction other than bashing mobs to earn phat loot.

That's why I do not want to play my MMORPGs with console gamers. Would you talk about 3rd person shooters, or other arcade games, I wouldn't mind. But a MMORPG on a console is just a MMO, and no longer a RPG.

I'm not understanding the red part. No player interaction in a single player dungeon?

IMO people should only be talking to one another in dungeons if there are new players and to learn tactics. I could understand communication being vital in PvP as your enemy think and change tactics on the fly dependent on what you are doing.

Most MMORPG's the PvE is pretty dumb already and that has nothing to do with consoles. Even going back to early MMORPG's.

I've never owned a console but I know people that do and rave about games like Zelda and Final Fantasy being top notch RPG's.

  Drithe

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10/22/13 2:37:19 PM#42

FF 14 on the ps3 is really fun and it looks really good. However, fighting bosses with lots of people in the general area can cause the boss to just disappear, failing to load on the screen. Infact, other players do the same and not show up until you are on them and let a few seconds pass for them to load up.

 

 The ps4 suppose to fix this, PLUS it has pc graphics. Cant wait to play FF 14 on my ps4!

 

End of line.

  nariusseldon

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10/22/13 2:43:10 PM#43
Originally posted by immodium

I've never owned a console but I know people that do and rave about games like Zelda and Final Fantasy being top notch RPG's.

They are not that different. Many big games: SKYRIM, Dishonored, Borderland, Bioshock, Splinter Cell ....

are on both console and PCs.

I play my PC often like a console (with a gamepad instead of mouse/keyboard).

 

  Hatefull

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10/22/13 2:47:29 PM#44


Originally posted by Silverchild

Originally posted by Hatefull   Agreed. I want nothing to do with a console in an MMO with me. Defiance and FFXIV have proven (to me anyway) they do not mix well. Give the consoles their own server, let PC have theirs.
Whats wrong with it?

 

I play FFXIV and I enjoy the fact that I can play it, on my PC, with friends that own it on PS3.

 

So far, its only been "we dont want console MMO, console has bad community".... thats it? No other reason?


No communication, and honestly the console players I have grouped with thus far, knew nothing about how to play and MMO and that trend started in Defiance, and is full on in FFXIV. There is a blatant difference between a PC group and a console.

And hevaen forbid you try and tell them how to Dps (of all things, I tank my wife heals) properly. Never ending BS.

So, no, I want nothing to do with a whole new crop of bads thank you very much.

If you want a new idea, go read an old book.

  Neo_Viper

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If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong.

10/22/13 2:48:15 PM#45
Originally posted by immodium
Originally posted by Neo_Viper
Originally posted by immodium
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Neo_Viper

And believe me or not, I'm a very nice and helpful person in games. I just don't tolerate immature people (no matter their age) to ruin my gaming time, so I join guilds that fit my age and play style, and I do not like the general attitude of the console crowd either, I don't think they fit the MMORPG style well and they will only drag it lower than it already is, dumbing down the games and making them less and less about being a "RPG".

 

What MMORPG style?

Solo style? Epleen style? elite style? I think they will fit just right in.

 

Exactly. Its totally preposterous to think you have to have a higher intelligence level to play MMORPG's.

It's not a problem of intelligence. I'm sure there are scientists and other very intelligent people playing on consoles.

It's a problem of taking the game for what it is, a MMO, but also a RPG. The concept console gamers have of RPGs are very different from what a pen and paper and PC MMORPG veteran have.

Some people here seem to think the MMORPG genre has been dumbed down by games like WoW, mostly the RPG part. Well, they have seen nothing. If the console crowd ever takes over the genre, you will know what dumbing down really means. No more roleplaying, no communication either, dungeons run 100% like single player mario bross levels, no player interaction other than bashing mobs to earn phat loot.

That's why I do not want to play my MMORPGs with console gamers. Would you talk about 3rd person shooters, or other arcade games, I wouldn't mind. But a MMORPG on a console is just a MMO, and no longer a RPG.

I'm not understanding the red part. No player interaction in a single player dungeon?

IMO people should only be talking to one another in dungeons if there are new players and to learn tactics. I could understand communication being vital in PvP as your enemy think and change tactics on the fly dependent on what you are doing.

Most MMORPG's the PvE is pretty dumb already and that has nothing to do with consoles. Even going back to early MMORPG's.

I've never owned a console but I know people that do and rave about games like Zelda and Final Fantasy being top notch RPG's.

The games you mention are all SINGLE PLAYER RPGs. Yeah, that works well on a console, since it doesn't require communication with other players.

What doesn't work is games where player communication plays a major part in the "RPG" element. How can you roleplay without a keyboard?

As I said, people think WoW dumbed down MMORPGs... they have seen nothing. If the consoles ever take over the genre, they will know what dumbing down really means.

I'm not too worried though. PC gaming is strong, and is actually more popular than console gaming sales wise.

 

Originally posted by Hatefull

 


Originally posted by Silverchild

Originally posted by Hatefull   Agreed. I want nothing to do with a console in an MMO with me. Defiance and FFXIV have proven (to me anyway) they do not mix well. Give the consoles their own server, let PC have theirs.
Whats wrong with it?

 

 

I play FFXIV and I enjoy the fact that I can play it, on my PC, with friends that own it on PS3.

 

So far, its only been "we dont want console MMO, console has bad community".... thats it? No other reason?


 

No communication, and honestly the console players I have grouped with thus far, knew nothing about how to play and MMO and that trend started in Defiance, and is full on in FFXIV. There is a blatant difference between a PC group and a console.

And hevaen forbid you try and tell them how to Dps (of all things, I tank my wife heals) properly. Never ending BS.

So, no, I want nothing to do with a whole new crop of bads thank you very much.

My computer is better than yours.

  nerovipus32

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Joined: 1/15/11
Posts: 2708

10/22/13 2:51:43 PM#46
Originally posted by Neo_Viper
Originally posted by immodium
Originally posted by Neo_Viper
Originally posted by immodium
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Neo_Viper

And believe me or not, I'm a very nice and helpful person in games. I just don't tolerate immature people (no matter their age) to ruin my gaming time, so I join guilds that fit my age and play style, and I do not like the general attitude of the console crowd either, I don't think they fit the MMORPG style well and they will only drag it lower than it already is, dumbing down the games and making them less and less about being a "RPG".

 

What MMORPG style?

Solo style? Epleen style? elite style? I think they will fit just right in.

 

Exactly. Its totally preposterous to think you have to have a higher intelligence level to play MMORPG's.

It's not a problem of intelligence. I'm sure there are scientists and other very intelligent people playing on consoles.

It's a problem of taking the game for what it is, a MMO, but also a RPG. The concept console gamers have of RPGs are very different from what a pen and paper and PC MMORPG veteran have.

Some people here seem to think the MMORPG genre has been dumbed down by games like WoW, mostly the RPG part. Well, they have seen nothing. If the console crowd ever takes over the genre, you will know what dumbing down really means. No more roleplaying, no communication either, dungeons run 100% like single player mario bross levels, no player interaction other than bashing mobs to earn phat loot.

That's why I do not want to play my MMORPGs with console gamers. Would you talk about 3rd person shooters, or other arcade games, I wouldn't mind. But a MMORPG on a console is just a MMO, and no longer a RPG.

I'm not understanding the red part. No player interaction in a single player dungeon?

IMO people should only be talking to one another in dungeons if there are new players and to learn tactics. I could understand communication being vital in PvP as your enemy think and change tactics on the fly dependent on what you are doing.

Most MMORPG's the PvE is pretty dumb already and that has nothing to do with consoles. Even going back to early MMORPG's.

I've never owned a console but I know people that do and rave about games like Zelda and Final Fantasy being top notch RPG's.

The games you mention are all SINGLE PLAYER RPGs. Yeah, that works well on a console, since it doesn't require communication with other players.

What doesn't work is games where player communication plays a major part in the "RPG" element. How can you roleplay without a keyboard?

As I said, people think WoW dumbed down MMORPGs... they have seen nothing. If the consoles ever take over the genre, they will know what dumbing down really means.

I'm not too worried though. PC gaming is strong, and is actually more popular than console gaming sales wise.

 

Originally posted by Hatefull

 


Originally posted by Silverchild

Originally posted by Hatefull   Agreed. I want nothing to do with a console in an MMO with me. Defiance and FFXIV have proven (to me anyway) they do not mix well. Give the consoles their own server, let PC have theirs.
Whats wrong with it?

 

 

I play FFXIV and I enjoy the fact that I can play it, on my PC, with friends that own it on PS3.

 

So far, its only been "we dont want console MMO, console has bad community".... thats it? No other reason?


 

No communication, and honestly the console players I have grouped with thus far, knew nothing about how to play and MMO and that trend started in Defiance, and is full on in FFXIV. There is a blatant difference between a PC group and a console.

And hevaen forbid you try and tell them how to Dps (of all things, I tank my wife heals) properly. Never ending BS.

So, no, I want nothing to do with a whole new crop of bads thank you very much.

Your sig just about sums up the PC gaming community

  Hatefull

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Joined: 6/09/04
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Your tears make my gun work better.

10/22/13 2:53:12 PM#47


Originally posted by Falcomith

Originally posted by Silverchild

Originally posted by Hatefull   Agreed. I want nothing to do with a console in an MMO with me. Defiance and FFXIV have proven (to me anyway) they do not mix well. Give the consoles their own server, let PC have theirs.
Whats wrong with it?   I play FFXIV and I enjoy the fact that I can play it, on my PC, with friends that own it on PS3.   So far, its only been "we dont want console MMO, console has bad community".... thats it? No other reason?
My biggest gripe is communication. Since you mentioned FFXIV. Have you ran dungeons where no one talks? You try to give instructions and ask if everyone understood and get no answer? I tanked several dungeons in FFXIV and was wondering why I wasnt getting any responses. Then I remembered, I was with some that had the console version while I was on my PC and chatting is not as easy for console users as it is on PC.

Now thats not a reason to not make MMORPGs for console, nor is it a reason not to play one that is cross platformed. But it is a drawback if you want some organization in group content where every one has easy access to some form of communication with each other. Those little keypads for consoles suck. I know, I have one. :)



Yes I have (I tank, my wife heals) and we usualyl PUG 2 Dps. To date we have had far more nightmare Dps than we have good ones. And I am talking basics here, stay out of red (RED!) circles on the floor, let the tank hit first, etc, just basic MMO stuff and they won't get it. It is truly mind boggling. And like I said HEaven forbid you try and teach them anything, then they communicate, and none of what they have to say is worth posting here.

So again, YEs make games for consoles and give them their own servers, let PC play on their's or at a minimum please let me have a choice as the whether or not I feel like dealing with console players.

And before any more BS gets brought up, I own an Xbox, and a PS3 and I will own the two new consoles coming out, and I will play games on them, just not MMO's.

If you want a new idea, go read an old book.

  immodium

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10/22/13 2:56:06 PM#48
Originally posted by Neo_Viper

What doesn't work is games where player communication plays a major part in the "RPG" element. How can you roleplay without a keyboard?

That's slowly changing already. I know guilds that won't allow members to group up for group PvE/PvP if they don't have Teamspeak/Vent.

Communicating via keyboard will always be there, however people are starting to communicate via voice software as it is easier. I prefer it.

How well does that play out to the role-player? I don't know, I don't RP.

MMORPG's for me are all about building/customizing my character and skills and playing with/against others. Nothing to do with RP'ing.

  nariusseldon

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10/22/13 2:57:34 PM#49
Originally posted by Neo_Viper

What doesn't work is games where player communication plays a major part in the "RPG" element. How can you roleplay without a keyboard?

Just like how they do it in PnP RPG .. with voice.

 

  Deivos

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10/22/13 2:57:35 PM#50
Originally posted by Hatefull
Originally posted by SilverchildWhats wrong with it?

I play FFXIV and I enjoy the fact that I can play it, on my PC, with friends that own it on PS3.

So far, its only been "we dont want console MMO, console has bad community".... thats it? No other reason?

No communication, and honestly the console players I have grouped with thus far, knew nothing about how to play and MMO and that trend started in Defiance, and is full on in FFXIV. There is a blatant difference between a PC group and a console.

And hevaen forbid you try and tell them how to Dps (of all things, I tank my wife heals) properly. Never ending BS.

So, no, I want nothing to do with a whole new crop of bads thank you very much.

I fail to see where that's different from the average PC bound MMO player.

 

You mean to say a PUG in PC only MMOs don't have the reputation of being a sure way to lose faith in humanity?

 

EDIT: And yeah, as far as the communication thing goes, on consoles it's done with headsets. Most any multiplayer game on console has it, for example Defiance gives you the choice to utilize area, group, team, and clan chat, all switchable with the down button on your gamepad (further controls under the social menu).

Only one that's not on by default is area.

 

The problem PC players might have with this is that voice chat is very far from the norm even still.

As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero. - Vaarsuvius

  Neo_Viper

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If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong.

10/22/13 2:57:41 PM#51
Originally posted by nerovipus32

Your sig just about sums up the PC gaming community

I guess you missed the sarcasm in my signature then, since I intentionally made it to mock those who put their complete PC specs in their own signature in some sort of attempt of superior virtual "manhood" or whatever.

My computer is better than yours.

  Edli

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10/22/13 2:59:38 PM#52
How so? Is just PS3 with a bit better hardware. PS3 didn't bring anything amazing to the MMO scene back then. 
  Foomerang

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10/22/13 3:02:28 PM#53


Originally posted by Edli
How so? Is just PS3 with a bit better hardware. PS3 didn't bring anything amazing to the MMO scene back then. 

It has 16 times more ram. That will help a bit.

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  Neo_Viper

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10/22/13 3:03:29 PM#54
Originally posted by immodium
Originally posted by Neo_Viper

What doesn't work is games where player communication plays a major part in the "RPG" element. How can you roleplay without a keyboard?

That's slowly changing already. I know guilds that won't allow members to group up for group PvE/PvP if they don't have Teamspeak/Vent.

Oh yes, same in games like WoW. Fantastic immersion when the sexy night elf chick has the voice of a prepubescent male teenager. As I said, this will move the MMORPGs even more into "all what matters is to grind dungeons and get loot" mode, and less about being MMOs and RPGs.

Communicating via keyboard will always be there, however people are starting to communicate via voice software as it is easier. I prefer it.

How well does that play out to the role-player? I don't know, I don't RP.

At least you admit you don't know.

MMORPG's for me are all about building/customizing my character and skills and playing with/against others. Nothing to do with RP'ing.

Yet those games are still called mmoRPgs. The more time passes, the less this appelation is true. If they become nothing more than games driven by a controller with 6 buttons and without the need to interact with other players otherwise than to bash mobs, they won't be RPGs anymore at all.

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  Edli

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10/22/13 3:03:41 PM#55
Originally posted by Foomerang

 


Originally posted by Edli
How so? Is just PS3 with a bit better hardware. PS3 didn't bring anything amazing to the MMO scene back then. 


It has 16 times more ram. That will help a bit.

 

With what? I have 16GB RAM. Big freaking deal. 

And PS3 had 16 times more RAM than PS2. That didn't do anything for MMOs.

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10/22/13 3:05:31 PM#56
Originally posted by Neo_Viper

As long as the console servers are separated from the PC servers, I couldn't care less. I just don't want the console crowd to invade games I play. A MMORPG which releases and shares the same servers between PC and console gamers will be a MMORPG I won't even try.

And EQ Next has never been announced on consoles yet. There have only been assumptions and theories by some gaming web sites, nothing more.

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  Foomerang

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10/22/13 3:10:10 PM#57


Originally posted by Edli

Originally posted by Foomerang  

Originally posted by Edli How so? Is just PS3 with a bit better hardware. PS3 didn't bring anything amazing to the MMO scene back then. 
It has 16 times more ram. That will help a bit.  
With what? I have 16GB RAM. Big freaking deal. 

And PS3 had 16 times more RAM than PS2. That didn't do anything for MMOs.



It'll allow devs to create larger worlds. Thats a good thing imo.

If you thought the events were dynamic, you'll think the stories are living.

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10/22/13 3:14:39 PM#58


Originally posted by Deivos

Originally posted by Hatefull

Originally posted by SilverchildWhats wrong with it? I play FFXIV and I enjoy the fact that I can play it, on my PC, with friends that own it on PS3. So far, its only been "we dont want console MMO, console has bad community".... thats it? No other reason?
No communication, and honestly the console players I have grouped with thus far, knew nothing about how to play and MMO and that trend started in Defiance, and is full on in FFXIV. There is a blatant difference between a PC group and a console. And hevaen forbid you try and tell them how to Dps (of all things, I tank my wife heals) properly. Never ending BS. So, no, I want nothing to do with a whole new crop of bads thank you very much.
I fail to see where that's different from the average PC bound MMO player.

 

You mean to say a PUG in PC only MMOs don't have the reputation of being a sure way to lose faith in humanity?

 

EDIT: And yeah, as far as the communication thing goes, on consoles it's done with headsets. Most any multiplayer game on console has it, for example Defiance gives you the choice to utilize area, group, team, and clan chat, all switchable with the down button on your gamepad (further controls under the social menu).

Only one that's not on by default is area.

 

The problem PC players might have with this is that voice chat is very far from the norm even still.


PUG is never best case scenario, everyone knows that...well except maybe console players because they have never had to deal with it. Until relatively recently.

However, at least when I run with people that have played and know what an MMO is, they at least know the basics of how to run a dungeon, again because MMO's are sort of geared towards teamwork on some level.

Again, and keep in mind, this is based of my experience. Not hearsay, my personal experience.

Also, and I love pointing this out, having communication available and actually utilizing it are two different things.

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  monochrome19

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10/22/13 3:25:25 PM#59
Originally posted by Falcomith
Originally posted by Silverchild
Originally posted by Hatefull

 

Agreed. I want nothing to do with a console in an MMO with me. Defiance and FFXIV have proven (to me anyway) they do not mix well. Give the consoles their own server, let PC have theirs.

Whats wrong with it?

 

I play FFXIV and I enjoy the fact that I can play it, on my PC, with friends that own it on PS3.

 

So far, its only been "we dont want console MMO, console has bad community".... thats it? No other reason?

My biggest gripe is communication. Since you mentioned FFXIV. Have you ran dungeons where no one talks? You try to give instructions and ask if everyone understood and get no answer? I tanked several dungeons in FFXIV and was wondering why I wasnt getting any responses. Then I remembered, I was with some that had the console version while I was on my PC and chatting is not as easy for console users as it is on PC.

Now thats not a reason to not make MMORPGs for console, nor is it a reason not to play one that is cross platformed. But it is a drawback if you want some organization in group content where every one has easy access to some form of communication with each other. Those little keypads for consoles suck. I know, I have one. :)

You can plug a keyboard into your ps3...

Thats what I did and I had no problem talking in parties.

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10/22/13 3:26:09 PM#60

Your experience is hearsay to everyone but yourself, you do realize that Hatefull?

 

And you are again describing an example condition that coincides the same as what one could ascribe to a console game or MMO. Playing consistently with a group of friends and people who you trust in.

 

You say run a dungeon? So your example is running a preset instanced play session. What Console games might have a similar experience players partake in frequently?

 

Oh yeah the Halo series for one, or Dead Space, Gears of War, and Left 4 Dead. Not abnormal for shooters to offer co-op.

RPGs? Somewhat less common, but you still had the likes of Fable, Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance, Gauntlet, Phantasy Star, and random others.

 

And I hate repeating myself, whether or not people communicate is an issue regardless of platform. That's not any different.

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