Trending Games | Wizard101 | World of Warcraft | Elder Scrolls Online | ArcheAge

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,899,269 Users Online:0
Games:751  Posts:6,267,768
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Angry Birds Epic Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Ascend: Hand of Kul Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Boot Hill Heroes Borderlands 2 Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel Bound by Flame Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Bravada Bravely Default Bravely Second Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Cast & Conquer Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Child of Light Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Cyberpunk 2077 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark Souls 2 Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Dead Island Dead Island 2 Dead Island: Riptide Deco Online Deep Down Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Divinity: Original Sin Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Age: Inquisition Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Fin Soup Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Drakengard 3 Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dungeon of the Endless Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout 4 Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Fearless Fantasy Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy Type-0 HD Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken Uprising Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Heart Forth Alicia Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes & Legends: Conquerors of Kolhar Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Atlan Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings Era Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online Kyn L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Redemption LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Lichdom: Battlemage Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lords of the Fallen Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance Mass Effect 4 MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms Might & Magic X: Legacy MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Moonrise Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mythborne Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Oort Online Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Persona V Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pillars of Eternity Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints Pokémon X and Y PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Prodigy Project Blackout Project Gorgon Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Project Zomboid Puzzle Pirates Quest for Infamy Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rail Nation Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of Sierra Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Risen 3: Titan Lords Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sacred 3 Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Chance Heroes Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow Realms Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowgate Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian South Park: The Stick of Truth Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Starbound Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Stormthrone Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Styx: Master of Shadows Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online TUG Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Terraria Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Banner Saga The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Epic Might The Hammers End The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing 2 The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Torment: Tides of Numenera Total Domination Transformers Universe Transistor Transverse Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Warflare Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune Wasteland 2 WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenoblade Chronicles: X Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

World of Warcraft

World of Warcraft 

General Discussion  » The dumbing down being counter productive

2 Pages « 1 2 Search
36 posts found
  Clerigo

Apprentice Member

Joined: 12/01/10
Posts: 405

Healing Over Time since 2004

10/14/13 6:00:42 AM#21

This is an already overly debated subject and WoW will never have the hardcore base fan it had since the days of TBC.

In a time where players sought social online gaming communities that could provide enough challengeable content to make it worth  spending your time in it, and they were given few choices from MMOs that existed at time, like EQ, Lineage, Vanguard, GW, etc, they have now a gamer base of new people that in their majority are just interested in bright lights, geting shinnies as fast as they can and a Q system for everything they have in the game and to make it worse all of that to be divided by all the MMOs available at this time...wich as you all know are more than you can count, wich makes players follow the flavour of the month and not stick to a given game. Not all of course...but many of them.

I can give you a good example if we look at WoW: many of the players that are now complaining that WoW has lost the great core gamers it once had are the same players that said "oh we can have a LGF tool and an auto Q system, that would be great and would save me alot of time". Now people just sit around in central hubs Qing for everything. And what you get: one of the greatest exploration maps in MMO genre completely empty, with empty cities, in a complete dumbed down game.

This from a game that i still call my greatest gaming experience ever, where everyone had to run the world map from top to bottom, where raids where formed just to reach a given dungeon or raid....

...yes its true, you actually had to ride your mount to do stuff...pfff..how sick is that??...

...and what you get now is just a playground for a player base that Blizzard knew at some point they needed to have, because you know, thats where the money is, and thats why you will never get it back again...it isnt profitable.

  spookydom

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/25/08
Posts: 1807

I'm a lvl 50 Batman!

10/14/13 6:21:59 AM#22
I would like to see some kind of time locked progression server thing like Everquest did,  with the community voting on what xpac or game feature to release next but starting with vanilla. May seem like going backwards to go forwards but would definitely bring players like me back into the fold I think.

  BruceYee

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/04/08
Posts: 258

10/15/13 1:39:48 AM#23
Originally posted by cheyane

I installed WoW day before yesterday thinking to kill some time before FFXIV ARR and I logged on my level 32 druid and I joined a dungeon finder group and they ran like chickens with their heads cut off and I could not even look at where we were going as I was healing all the time. I did one more dungeon and I stopped playing. Have not touched it since. I am sad ,I really am .I was hoping for I do not even know what perhaps to recapture some of the fun vanilla days.

 

There is no one talking in the group even . I might as well go play SWTOR till FFXIV comes out even if I solo my companion will talk to me.

I had a similar experience myself. I resubbed and logged in but the zones and cities were empty compared to even 6 months ago. I queued for a BG but the mechanics have changed so much that pvp fights were not really fights but was instead whoever could target and click their 1 shot kill move before the other person. It's really sad seeing this game in the state it is now.

@ OP, my guess is they figure they've made their money from it and I doubt that they are gonna invest any funds/effort into it if they haven't done so already.

"If you can control a man's thinking, you do not have to worry about his actions. When you determine what a man shall think you do not have to concern yourself about what he will do."-Winston Churchill

  DrSmaSh

Novice Member

Joined: 12/10/04
Posts: 463

Be yourself

10/17/13 9:21:19 AM#24

For me personally, downfall of WoW began with the patch in BC, when they made tanking super easy. I was warrior tank back in those days and I loved the challenge. You NEEDED some classes, you needed CC, you needed to mark targets, you needed to pull etc. After that patch all it came down to was AOE damage, rushing in all guns blazing. It was a fun change for a short while, but very quickly I grew tired of it. WoW was always easy, but I feel like that patch kinda marked the end of it all. Making casual super casual. Without risk, reward has no meaning.

Here's hoping for WoW 2, since I do have so many good memories from WoW. Remember the beta, I was blown away, I never had that much fun in a video game before. I met so many good people in WoW, I miss it all. But WoW as it is, it's long dead. Sadly.

EDIT:

@Clerigo holy crap, you put it so nicely. Couldn't agree more. It's just sad.

Every time I read your post, I die a little inside...

  Briansho

Novice Member

Joined: 3/05/06
Posts: 4789

Functionless Art is Simply Tolerated Vandalism...We Are The Vandals.

10/17/13 12:58:11 PM#25
Originally posted by Neo_Viper
Originally posted by Briansho
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by moguy2
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by cheyane

I installed WoW day before yesterday thinking to kill some time before FFXIV ARR and I logged on my level 32 druid and I joined a dungeon finder group and they ran like chickens with their heads cut off and I could not even look at where we were going as I was healing all the time. I did one more dungeon and I stopped playing. Have not touched it since. I am sad ,I really am .I was hoping for I do not even know what perhaps to recapture some of the fun vanilla days.

 

There is no one talking in the group even . I might as well go play SWTOR till FFXIV comes out even if I solo my companion will talk to me.

Next time you have WoW nostalgia, do what I did: get yourself a "free" account.

You're capped at level 20, but you can do almost everything, PvP, PvE, dungeons (low level ones obviously), and it doesn't cost a cent. I have both a hunter and a druid, fully equipped with the best gear at level 20. Maybe I'll get some heirlooms through PvP someday.

You are so right here. When you cant use the auction house, trade with people, or even use public channels your whole life changes. It truly becomes a rubix cube of events to figure out how to get an enchant on a piece of armor.  Or get a piece of armor in general. And you dont pay a dime $ $

That was quite fun too - I of course had to level enchanting for my own gear.

You can even make a Panda if you want (mine are human and worgen) to experience their starter area for free, you just can't make a monk (yet).

A few good links:

http://greentintedgoggles.wordpress.com/2011/07/26/a-guide-to-trial-account-twinking/

For druids:

http://lunsh-f2p.blogspot.fr/

Great sites! Is there a way to set a current inactive account to a trial account?

Just add a trial WoW account to your battle.net account.

When you log into your battle net account, right under your link to the WoW page it says add starter account, click that.

Thanks!

Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!

  Icewhite

Made History

Joined: 7/11/11
Posts: 6495

Pink, it's like red but not quite.

10/17/13 1:33:19 PM#26
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Now this makes me wondering how blizzard will handle this dillema.

By chortling and calling for another truck to transport the dollars to the bank?

Same way they've handled all other "dillema"s.

 

Sorry, I never stop being amazed at how many people feel qualified to tell Blizzard how "ur doing it wrong"...your 30k salary vs. their GNP-level income...

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  alterfenix

Novice Member

Joined: 3/05/10
Posts: 335

10/20/13 5:34:55 PM#27
Originally posted by Clerigo

This is an already overly debated subject and WoW will never have the hardcore base fan it had since the days of TBC.

In a time where players sought social online gaming communities that could provide enough challengeable content to make it worth  spending your time in it, and they were given few choices from MMOs that existed at time, like EQ, Lineage, Vanguard, GW, etc, they have now a gamer base of new people that in their majority are just interested in bright lights, geting shinnies as fast as they can and a Q system for everything they have in the game and to make it worse all of that to be divided by all the MMOs available at this time...wich as you all know are more than you can count, wich makes players follow the flavour of the month and not stick to a given game. Not all of course...but many of them.

I can give you a good example if we look at WoW: many of the players that are now complaining that WoW has lost the great core gamers it once had are the same players that said "oh we can have a LGF tool and an auto Q system, that would be great and would save me alot of time". Now people just sit around in central hubs Qing for everything. And what you get: one of the greatest exploration maps in MMO genre completely empty, with empty cities, in a complete dumbed down game.

This from a game that i still call my greatest gaming experience ever, where everyone had to run the world map from top to bottom, where raids where formed just to reach a given dungeon or raid....

...yes its true, you actually had to ride your mount to do stuff...pfff..how sick is that??...

...and what you get now is just a playground for a player base that Blizzard knew at some point they needed to have, because you know, thats where the money is, and thats why you will never get it back again...it isnt profitable.

Well as much as I agree with statement about current LFG - all they really had to do was to modify old one to work cross server and / or remove some of its limitations. That would easily speed up things too while still forcing ppl into some social interactions (no auto invite).

But the truth is that LFG right now is the least problem. There are bigger problems that WoW has such as only instanced endgame, dumbed old content, heirlooms and in general everything granted for just logging in really. Just look at mounts - originally min lvl 40 and quite expensive so even basic mounts required some work. Now everyone has flying dragons for nothing. Same about equipment and as the matter of fact any kind of what was supposed to be a reward for some actions (field / grand marshal set in their original shapes - anyone remembers that?)

  Zorgo

Apprentice Member

Joined: 12/05/05
Posts: 2214

Who did wrong? The advertiser hired to sell the game or the consumer who put faith in advertising?

10/20/13 11:24:55 PM#28

I actually believe that WoW will be around in some form or another for a very long time. Like comic book long time. I think, the rule set will ebb and flow and adjust. 

I think the dumbing down phase is just that; a phase. 

I think eventually they will find a nice solid balance which will solidify its rule set in the same way that chess, or monopoly did. 

Right now its a rough-ish patch (pun intended) - but I think adjustments will be made.

I think we will see dramatic changes to the talent system, potentially the addition of player housing and maybe a graphics/avatar overhaul before too many more subs are lost. 

I think with multiple times the number of subs of any f2p or p2p on the market - they have a lot of time before utter failure could happen. 

They'd have to make bad mistakes for a very long time for the game to go belly up - and I think it isn't likely that will happen.

It may get worse before it gets better, but I think they have time.

  Neo_Viper

Novice Member

Joined: 5/10/13
Posts: 624

If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong.

10/21/13 7:22:01 AM#29
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Now this makes me wondering how blizzard will handle this dillema.

By chortling and calling for another truck to transport the dollars to the bank?

Same way they've handled all other "dillema"s.

 

Sorry, I never stop being amazed at how many people feel qualified to tell Blizzard how "ur doing it wrong"...your 30k salary vs. their GNP-level income...

My computer is better than yours.

  sportsfan

Advanced Member

Joined: 8/20/12
Posts: 376

10/23/13 3:30:07 AM#30
Originally posted by Zorgo

I actually believe that WoW will be around in some form or another for a very long time. Like comic book long time. I think, the rule set will ebb and flow and adjust. 

I think the dumbing down phase is just that; a phase. 

I think eventually they will find a nice solid balance which will solidify its rule set in the same way that chess, or monopoly did. 

Right now its a rough-ish patch (pun intended) - but I think adjustments will be made.

I think we will see dramatic changes to the talent system, potentially the addition of player housing and maybe a graphics/avatar overhaul before too many more subs are lost. 

I think with multiple times the number of subs of any f2p or p2p on the market - they have a lot of time before utter failure could happen. 

They'd have to make bad mistakes for a very long time for the game to go belly up - and I think it isn't likely that will happen.

It may get worse before it gets better, but I think they have time.

You know that Blizzard has a problem when a WoW based card game has MUCH more solo challenge these days than a 15 dollar subscription game...

The problem is not so much dumbing down mechanics, the problem is that MMORPG's absolutely have NO solo challenges. They are just grinding mechanics without ANY solo challenge. 

My eyes were opened when I played Diablo3 in hardcore. FAST combat, extremely perma death challenges, hard mobs that could kill you ... ALL absent in WoW these days in solo mode.

 

Like I said: WoW 's Hearthstone is 100 times more challenging and fun ... with 10 minutes OR hour long game play per day...

 

Houston we have a problem ...

 

  Wicoa

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/08/07
Posts: 1614

10/23/13 7:27:00 AM#31
Im interested to see what is announced at blizzcon. More of the same? Or will they crank it a notch?
  eccoton

Advanced Member

Joined: 6/30/05
Posts: 1341

10/23/13 11:51:43 AM#32
Originally posted by vmoped

I have to admit I enjoyed WoW up until the change in classes.  I completely disagree with the developer's removal of class customization.  All in all, WoW offers a lot, but the constant dumbing down left me no reason to be class #2346123 with only a handful of powers separating me from the thousands of others.

Cheers!

This is an example of someone like many who do not understand why the change to class customization was a good thing. Giving less but more significant choices did not dumb down the game or the classes. The old class trees with a lot of choices was just an illusion. As it turned out everyone in a specific class was the same. Everyone just went online and found the best build and did that. If you did not have the right picks or you missed one certain skill your toon was no good, so everyone was the same. 

The new tree while many less choice makes your decisions more important and makes say a hunter beastmaster totally different then a hunter marksmen. So within a specific class there are totally different play styles now. I feel this has made the game more interesting. Yes less choices to mull over but your decision is more significant not easier. It is not perfect but it is a step in the right direction. Blizzard took a big chance in doing this for exactly how this poster reacted. They left the game because they felt it was dumbed down when in fact it fostered more diversity.

Sure WOW has changed a lot, I know, I have played since release. No, I do not agree with all the changes but it is better and more fun then ever. The easy way out is to say Blizzard dumbed down WOW. I disagree It has never been a hard game to grasp and play. However it has and still is a hard game to master. That is what makes it so good, easy to play hard to master. The fact is many hardcore players really left WOW because they simply got bored after many years of play. They then have to blame their leaving on someone other then them self, after all they put years into something that is no longer important in their lives. So it is easy to say WOW has been dumbed down instead of "I simply got bored". By doing this they then ease the true feeling, I have spent so much time on something that has no real meaning.

I on the other hand find mmos have meaning to me and are not a waste of time even when I leave a game after years. What they are to me is one of the most enjoyable types of entertainment available for the money. Sometime a game changes and you leave but games like WOW, that players play for years, see and exodus more from boredom then any really significant changes made to game play. SWG-nge being an exception, SOE fundamentally changed the game experience, Blizzard never did that to WOW even with the class changes. So is the dumbing down of WOW counter productive? No WOW was never really dumbed down.

  Ringside

Advanced Member

Joined: 9/25/10
Posts: 207

10/24/13 7:48:56 AM#33
Originally posted by spookydom
I would like to see some kind of time locked progression server thing like Everquest did,  with the community voting on what xpac or game feature to release next but starting with vanilla. May seem like going backwards to go forwards but would definitely bring players like me back into the fold I think.

This

  Neo_Viper

Novice Member

Joined: 5/10/13
Posts: 624

If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong.

10/24/13 10:49:26 AM#34
Originally posted by eccoton
Originally posted by vmoped

I have to admit I enjoyed WoW up until the change in classes.  I completely disagree with the developer's removal of class customization.  All in all, WoW offers a lot, but the constant dumbing down left me no reason to be class #2346123 with only a handful of powers separating me from the thousands of others.

Cheers!

This is an example of someone like many who do not understand why the change to class customization was a good thing.

There was a time when hybrids where possible and viable. I remember those times fondly.

Class customization has definitely been seriously dumbed down, and personally dislike it.

My computer is better than yours.

  izzer

Novice Member

Joined: 4/18/06
Posts: 10

10/24/13 12:52:48 PM#35
Hey guys go look up jerzy jay on YouTube . Panda monk :)
  CrazKanuk

Elite Member

Joined: 10/06/09
Posts: 1210

10/24/13 1:21:17 PM#36
Originally posted by Neo_Viper
Originally posted by eccoton
Originally posted by vmoped

I have to admit I enjoyed WoW up until the change in classes.  I completely disagree with the developer's removal of class customization.  All in all, WoW offers a lot, but the constant dumbing down left me no reason to be class #2346123 with only a handful of powers separating me from the thousands of others.

Cheers!

This is an example of someone like many who do not understand why the change to class customization was a good thing.

There was a time when hybrids where possible and viable. I remember those times fondly.

Class customization has definitely been seriously dumbed down, and personally dislike it.

Yeah, while it may be accurate to say that people would research the best builds and use them, I found that I much preferred having the ability to change stuff myself. I would use hybrids frequently to customize a character to my style of play over what the cookie cutter was. I may be in the minority on that, but just because they see a lot of similar builds doesn't mean that removing class customization is a GOOD idea, maybe it means that they need to create MORE choices or make it less clear for the user which is the best. 

 

As far as dungeons/raids go, I still haven't found a game with the same level of polish provided by WoW. I mean in SWTOR I get to kill a f#*&ing Rancor! Which was awesome! However, I have found the majority of other games' dungeon experiences...... lacklustre at best. 

 

As for speed, yeah, you get that everywhere though. Dungeons become repetitive, just like anything else. 

 

I'll be interested to see what Wildstar and TESO bring to the table. I'm eagerly awaiting both of those to see what the difficulty ramp is like. However, I don't think you will see THAT much difference, really. I mean there might be an initial difficulty curve, but they have that with WoW too. Ask anyone who ever ran a heroic raid. I like WoW because I think it does a fairly good job of creating an experience for people seeking a challenge, but also those who want to, idk, play on their laptop in bed or something. 

Crazkanuk

----------------
Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
----------------

2 Pages « 1 2 Search