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  bronzephishy

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OP  10/19/13 9:08:42 PM#41
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Being the fact FF14 dungeons are timed its bad form not to have watched a guide or read up on the dungeon so you know your job in each fight. I have   /blacklist more then one player who did not care to take time to prepair and because of to many chain wipes we faild to finsh the dungeon. Done!

I needed to pass the Garuda trial just to even progress my storyline and it literally took me 12 try's of 30 minutes each to only fail because there were always 1 or 2 who just wanted to Experience and Explore the trial...so yes there's a timer to beat the dungeon or trial and even worse need to beat it to progress in story

  Robokapp

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10/19/13 9:18:29 PM#42
Originally posted by bronzephishy
So I can understand the purist mmo players who want to run dungeons without spoilers but I've ran Garuda trial 20 times and each time there's at least one or 2 pug players that don't youtube and always cause a wipe to fail....I always youtube before dungeons so we can you know ...maybe beat the dungeon? do you youtube or not?

negative...if the ones who made the youtube video figured it out, I can too.

 

I am that good, and have that high expectations of myself.

  Bluewhitehell

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10/20/13 2:25:07 PM#43
Originally posted by bronzephishy
So I can understand the purist mmo players who want to run dungeons without spoilers but I've ran Garuda trial 20 times and each time there's at least one or 2 pug players that don't youtube and always cause a wipe to fail....I always youtube before dungeons so we can you know ...maybe beat the dungeon? do you youtube or not?

 

 

It depends, I watched youtube video for Coil T1~T4, chimera and titan hard mode before I joined /shout party. Everything else is way too easy though. 

  Vrika

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10/20/13 2:37:59 PM#44

I never Youtube a dungeon.

However your question is a little badly phrased, I do look at some written strategy guide if there's one available. I just think watching those Youtube videos is too time-consuming.

  EvolvedMonky

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10/21/13 4:20:27 PM#45
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Being the fact FF14 dungeons are timed its bad form not to have watched a guide or read up on the dungeon so you know your job in each fight. I have   /blacklist more then one player who did not care to take time to prepair and because of to many chain wipes we faild to finsh the dungeon. Done!

I know right its not like its a game or anything... Its not like your playing with kids or maybe someone who could be playing there first video game.

No not at all cause your not an elitist, because if you were so l33t you would be in a hardcore FC and wouldnt be playing in a public group with varying degrees of skill and mindset toward games.

 

So What I have learned from this post is...

 

1. Most of the ones who cry on how short and easy mmos are.... actually infact take a shortcut if you will and read up on how to defeat the hard challenges and search on the quickest way to achieve cap.

2. Most who complain about no community in current MMOs... Are rude and judgemental holding strangers to a standard of professionalism when this is a game not a paid job. 

 

My main 2 jobs are Dragoon and Monk, Lately ive been lvling a Glad and a Mar and running low level dungeons even the lvl 15 fish one (satashahahdha whatever) And im pretty much like a tour guide, I show people the areas and explain why we get this key or read this object and for what reason. Ive noticed most tanks dont talk much just mark a mob and speed run a dungeon with everyone else just following his lead and never learning anything....

And as a tank if we wipe repeatidly (I had one group omg i was about to pull my head) I calmed the mood down like a leader and got it done. Explain macros to the healer when we finished and also had to explain interactive objects during boss fights to the dps........  

  Simsu

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10/21/13 4:31:07 PM#46

Generally speaking I try to do a quick scan of easily available info before I go into a fight for the first time just incase there's some mechanic that is essential to the fight. Otherwise, I like to go into them and experience it. I do try to run as a DPS the first few times into a fight so I can get a feel for it before I go as a tank or healer.

I don't expect people to memorize the entire fight before they even try it, but it's incredibly annoying to get someone who doesn't know anything about the fight and more importantly doesn't put any effort into paying attention to what is going on so they can learn the fight. (I.e. those that die to the same mechanic 4x times in a row because they're not trying to figure out how they died in the first place.)

  theAsna

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10/21/13 4:45:49 PM#47

 

Nope. Why should one need to read a tactics guide or watch youtube videos of the content ahead?

 

If you play a game and don't observe NPC behaviour then you might need all guides and  help available. If you don't understand how aggro mechanics work in the game you are currently playing then maybe it was not a good idea to skip group content (in favour of fast solo leveling).

 

Ideally I'd like to experience content without spoilers. And this is possible with the right precautions. But since this is Online Gaming chances are high you'll end up grouping with people that have already visited a certain dungeon. In such a case you don't really need to watch a youtube video. Simply ask your fellow party members. Adapt your tactics to the group setup. Don't put too much on your plate (opponent-wise) because you might not be able to handle it. Don't try to be smart and try to bypass some opponent groups when it's foreseeable that someone might pull a whole lot of opponents. Etc.

 

The only thing you need is a bit of common sense, observe your surroundings (see what special tricks certain opponents can do) and some playing experience.

 

An exception is if you joined a "professional" raiding guild/group where people expect you to know the content even if you haven't been there yet. But if they care for their junior members they'd take the time and explain things to you.

 

  Homitu

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10/21/13 4:52:05 PM#48

Depends on the dungeon for me.  If it's something difficult enough that there's a serious risk of me being a liability if I'm not properly prepared, then I will.  There's nothing worse than being the person responsible for several failed attempts or being the one who holds the group back.  

I'd seriously prefer to not look up fights first though - but that's only relevant if everyone in the group is also new to the fight.  It's fun figuring out and progressing through a fight together with a full group for the first time.  I've raided since vanilla WoW, so I can remember times when full video guides weren't released while encounters were still in beta.  If 8 people in your 10 man group already know the encounter though, you might as well just look the fight up because they're going to spend 15 minutes explaining it to you before the pull anyway.  

  rojoArcueid

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10/21/13 5:02:06 PM#49

the only time when i look for youtube gameplay is when i suck so bad i cant go past certain areas in games. I did it a couple times in Dark SOuls with a couple of boss fights to learn some techniques, but that was after i got sick of constantly dying.

 

I dont see the need to look for youtube dungeon runs before i do the run myself but i wouldnt mind if its a fun video run (not to learn form it). But i think the best thing about video games is to learn stuff the hard way, by yourself. Not going in there for the first time ever and have knowledge of everything after watching many videos. That would kill the purpose of doing it myself IMO if i already know how to do it and what to expect. I play to learn the game and have fun with trial and error, not to copy others in order to achieve my goals. But thats just me.

  Justsomenoob

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10/23/13 1:17:34 PM#50
Originally posted by Vrika

I never Youtube a dungeon.

However your question is a little badly phrased, I do look at some written strategy guide if there's one available. I just think watching those Youtube videos is too time-consuming.

 

This right here.

 

95% of the time a video is redundant and a few lines of text explaining some mechanics that might not be immediately obvious is enough.

 

  tarof

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10/24/13 2:46:25 AM#51

i do reasearch as i play tank, stil i need experienced players to guide me. I can boss fight, but kill order etc. can be diff then youtube. (as most of em is with 2+ premade)

Stil out of 100 dungeon runs i have only failed once becouse of the time limit. It was a dps that died 8+ time in a row on a boss. I have no problem with people failing as i do it myself. But 5+ time in a row is pushing it.

I must say im quite happy with dungeon overall. I fail maybe 20% of em, but after reading this forum i did expect a higher failure rate on pug runs.

  fivoroth

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10/24/13 3:12:28 AM#52
I think if a game requires you to read a guide, then it's a fail game. Unfortunately most mmos don't bother to explain mechanics to people. Every month should have a dungeon/raid journal in game which explains basic boss mechanics like what they did in wow. Not sure how well the journal worked in wow though.

You should be able to tell what's happening by just playing the game. This doesn't make an mmos shallow.

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  SpottyGekko

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10/24/13 3:21:07 AM#53

Absolutely not in the case of dungeons, but definitely in the case of raids.

 

There has to be some fun left in the game, and that's why I like to discover dungeons and experience all the surprises.

 

However, raids are a different matter. They are specialised content that generally doesn't form part of "normal" game play.

I accept that raids are a necessary chore that need to be peformed in the most optimal way by large groups of people who are generally repeating the same content for the n-th time. Combine that with the fact that classical raids can take a significant amount of time (by most standards) to complete, and that they're only going to be completed by groups in which most members have a fairly good idea of what needs to be done and when.

  Doomedfox

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10/24/13 4:08:25 AM#54
Originally posted by AmbrosiaAmor
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by PWN_FACE

It's just common courtesy to learn about the dungeons beforehand because you are playing with total strangers.

 

These total strangers should not have to lose their valuable time wiping unnecessarily because I want the joy of discovery. That's the "real world" of mmorpgs, I'm afraid. It's just showing respect for the group.

 

However, if you want that joy of discovery, I believe you should play with RL friends with that agreement. Or, you can look for a group in chat with that understanding. I'm sure there are other first timers out there like you, who want to do the same. Finally, you can create your own little guild with like-minded people for the purpose of playing and exploring together with a relaxed and casual attitude. 

Why should i care about your time when im enjoying my time playing a game? If you think it's wasting your precious time then maybe you should not be playing games.

 

Yeah but he is correct. He gave both options. If you want the whole enjoyment of discovery and learning you can do so with real life friends, linkshells, free company. Your question can simply be turned into an endless cycle. Why should we care about your enjoyment of the game if you end up wasting the time of 7 others (i.e. strangers, duty finder folks, etc.)? Why wipe to a boss or dungeon dozens of times when you can win 99% of FFXIV's content in one try simply by reading up or looking at a video (good referral of course).

I would disagree the games are meant to be explored and the dungeons are supposed to be discovered and learned if they would not be the game companys would give you a complete guide/video for every encounter.

If they would do that than the people wanting to actually experience the game would be the ones doing it wrong and therefore should only do so with friends or LS members.

However since its not like that i believe that people who do not wish to play the games as intended and just want a smooth easy run (where you just copy what someone else before found out for you ) should do so exclusively with friends or ls members.

 

 

  Bjelar

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10/24/13 4:25:28 AM#55

This is why MMOs feel like having a second job.

Study stupid guides and watch other people play on youtube.

If you like to explore the game world, try and fail and try again untill you figure it out, then play single player games.

MMOs are for people in need of a second (or maybe only?) job.

Not eliteist to get upset because other people like to play games not watch youtube videos? Of course it is eliteist.

  Gymrat313

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10/24/13 4:43:27 AM#56

I will look for a synopsis of the fight before I try it.

I have been using the duty-finder almost exclusively for dungeons and primal HM's. I do it as a courtesy to the random people that I am paired with and so I don't waste the groups time by causing a wipe needlessly. I also do not expect people to tell me what the dungeon is about because that is pretty much the same thing as me going to a webpage to view it.

Basically I just do it out of courtesy, I wouldn't mind busting my head against the wall figuring it out if it was just my time at stake.

  xeniar

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10/24/13 5:50:31 AM#57

i have never viewed a youtube for dungeons. its stupid to do so they are easy enough as it is. spoils my fun.

And i also never youtube a raid before going there. As a tank im more of a lets see what happens kind of guy. Only thing i need is someone to tell me what im suposed to be doing and i will feel my way trough the encounter.

When ToT came out in wow thosse encounters where the best fun i had in a long time. Nobody had a clue about what to do so without looking at skill lists at first we just winged it and observer what was happening. Yes we wiped  a couple times but it was alot of fun trying to devise a plan on how we would overcome the encounter.

When you have to youtube the stuff it becomes a job. because omg if we wipe it is your fault blabla. It takes away alot of Fun.

  Nanfoodle

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10/24/13 10:11:36 AM#58
Originally posted by EvolvedMonky
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Being the fact FF14 dungeons are timed its bad form not to have watched a guide or read up on the dungeon so you know your job in each fight. I have   /blacklist more then one player who did not care to take time to prepair and because of to many chain wipes we faild to finsh the dungeon. Done!

I know right its not like its a game or anything... Its not like your playing with kids or maybe someone who could be playing there first video game.

No not at all cause your not an elitist, because if you were so l33t you would be in a hardcore FC and wouldnt be playing in a public group with varying degrees of skill and mindset toward games.

 

So What I have learned from this post is...

 

1. Most of the ones who cry on how short and easy mmos are.... actually infact take a shortcut if you will and read up on how to defeat the hard challenges and search on the quickest way to achieve cap.

2. Most who complain about no community in current MMOs... Are rude and judgemental holding strangers to a standard of professionalism when this is a game not a paid job. 

 

My main 2 jobs are Dragoon and Monk, Lately ive been lvling a Glad and a Mar and running low level dungeons even the lvl 15 fish one (satashahahdha whatever) And im pretty much like a tour guide, I show people the areas and explain why we get this key or read this object and for what reason. Ive noticed most tanks dont talk much just mark a mob and speed run a dungeon with everyone else just following his lead and never learning anything....

And as a tank if we wipe repeatidly (I had one group omg i was about to pull my head) I calmed the mood down like a leader and got it done. Explain macros to the healer when we finished and also had to explain interactive objects during boss fights to the dps........  

Call me an elitist jerk but I am in fact a casual player who only gets to play 2-8hrs a week. Last 2 weeks I have gotten to play a few hours and I am unhappy to say that its all been on 1 dungeon over and over again to try and progress my story. Every time I have entered the dungeon everyone in the team but my wife and I do not know the dungeon at all.

I go over each boss in detail but regardless till you see a mechanic someone telling you in text only gives you a very small picture. That being said, we have failed for 2 weeks on every run and its a real pain as a casual player with limited time on my hands to be hindered by players who refuses to take 5 min to get ready to deal with a few bosses. 

This game is fun but the dungeons past level 35 start using raid mechanics to teach people to raid. This is not tank and spank trash mob crap. Level 40 the trash mobs start to get really hard if you dont know your job in the team. People need to start getting ready like they do for any raid in any other MMO. This is hardcore. But what would you know spending the bulk of your time hanging out in level 15 dungeons.  

  Roguewiz

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10/24/13 10:13:51 AM#59
For the first run, no, I don't use Youtube.  I'd rather try to figure out the mechanic first.  If we start having problems, then and only then, do I pull up a Youtube video.

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  Darkages

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10/24/13 10:24:30 AM#60
No i don't watch the fight mechanics on my first run.
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