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  GeezerGamer

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Joined: 4/03/12
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OP  10/10/13 10:02:41 PM#61
Originally posted by Fendel84M
Originally posted by amber-r

He is trying to say that nobody has stopped playing and the servers are packed because he had to queue.

Problem is queues don't really mean anything, just as when they needed to increase server caps they can decrease server caps just as easily in preperation of the player loss and also many will be staying online to give the illusion of full servers while they goto bed or work, the afk kicker is easy to block.

This was very popular on FFXI, many would never log to inflate player numbers.

 

The problem honestly with what you're trying to accomplish with this thread is you're showing the exact opposite, your fear of failure.  If you were genuinly confident you wouldn't make a thread like this and indeed you wouldn't defend it so strongly either because you wouldn't need to.

You're right, there are thousands of players who are all soooo personally invested in making sure this game looks more popular than it is, they are leaving their computers and game running 24/7.

If you told me a couple hundred obsessed fans were doing this I might believe you. But to think any significant amount of players are doing this Is poppycock.

And people AFKing all night to avoid not being able to log back in before the fixes is entirely different.

I find it amazing the lengths and theories people come up with to try to justify why this game only "appears" successful, but that it really isn't.

In GW2, server caps and populations were indicated in the log in client so it would certainly be in Arena Net's best interest to make them look full. However, there is no such metric in FF14. So what would be the point of artificially inflating or decreasing the caps if they are invisible to anyone else outside of SE? Unless, the doomsayers are suggesting that SE is intentionally locking players out of the game to pad the populations. Which following the wake of the Early Access issues, I highly doubt they would pull a stunt like that.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  amber-r

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10/11/13 4:53:44 AM#62
Originally posted by Fendel84M
Originally posted by amber-r

He is trying to say that nobody has stopped playing and the servers are packed because he had to queue.

Problem is queues don't really mean anything, just as when they needed to increase server caps they can decrease server caps just as easily in preperation of the player loss and also many will be staying online to give the illusion of full servers while they goto bed or work, the afk kicker is easy to block.

This was very popular on FFXI, many would never log to inflate player numbers.

 

The problem honestly with what you're trying to accomplish with this thread is you're showing the exact opposite, your fear of failure.  If you were genuinly confident you wouldn't make a thread like this and indeed you wouldn't defend it so strongly either because you wouldn't need to.

You're right, there are thousands of players who are all soooo personally invested in making sure this game looks more popular than it is, they are leaving their computers and game running 24/7.

If you told me a couple hundred obsessed fans were doing this I might believe you. But to think any significant amount of players are doing this Is poppycock.

And people AFKing all night to avoid not being able to log back in before the fixes is entirely different.

You never played FFXI did you?

Huge chunks of these people never logged off at all and you could see them afk in the same spot in the popular "afk spots" with search comments "At work" "Asleep" etc, there was huge anger at afk kicker on FFXIV because of these players that migrated over to this new game.  The afk kicker is incredibly easy to get around so they stopped complaining and still never log off.

[mod edit]

 

Of course I don't think it's just that, they obviously would of lowered the server caps too.  There is no reason to have such high server caps anymore, they wouldn't advertise the fact they did it though would they.

 

Anyone that thinks there are just as many people playing now as when it was free is crazy.

  daltanious

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Joined: 4/19/08
Posts: 1746

10/11/13 6:58:58 AM#63
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Or so I would have believed, but I just hit No. 11 in the queue on my server.

Guess thanks to some change from SE. But if actually real players around then good for those that still play.

  GeezerGamer

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Joined: 4/03/12
Posts: 4617

 
OP  10/11/13 9:12:27 AM#64
Originally posted by amber-r
Originally posted by Fendel84M
Originally posted by amber-r

He is trying to say that nobody has stopped playing and the servers are packed because he had to queue.

Problem is queues don't really mean anything, just as when they needed to increase server caps they can decrease server caps just as easily in preperation of the player loss and also many will be staying online to give the illusion of full servers while they goto bed or work, the afk kicker is easy to block.

This was very popular on FFXI, many would never log to inflate player numbers.

 

The problem honestly with what you're trying to accomplish with this thread is you're showing the exact opposite, your fear of failure.  If you were genuinly confident you wouldn't make a thread like this and indeed you wouldn't defend it so strongly either because you wouldn't need to.

You're right, there are thousands of players who are all soooo personally invested in making sure this game looks more popular than it is, they are leaving their computers and game running 24/7.

If you told me a couple hundred obsessed fans were doing this I might believe you. But to think any significant amount of players are doing this Is poppycock.

And people AFKing all night to avoid not being able to log back in before the fixes is entirely different.

You never played FFXI did you?

Huge chunks of these people never logged off at all and you could see them afk in the same spot in the popular "afk spots" with search comments "At work" "Asleep" etc, there was huge anger at afk kicker on FFXIV because of these players that migrated over to this new game.  The afk kicker is incredibly easy to get around so they stopped complaining and still never log off.

[mod edit]

 

Of course I don't think it's just that, they obviously would of lowered the server caps too.  There is no reason to have such high server caps anymore, they wouldn't advertise the fact they did it though would they.

 

Anyone that thinks there are just as many people playing now as when it was free is crazy.

2 things.

1. There is no point in them lowering the server cap since there is no public display of server population ranges. It's pointless for them to try to make the servers appear to be more full than they really are using that method. If there was some metric that told us where server populations are, then you might have an argument.

2. Yes it is easy to defeat the AFK timer. But I'm not convinced it's the epidemic you claim. Even still, so what if it is? What's your point about it? We are now past the 30 day free month so all these so called  "AFKers" are still paying a monthly sub.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  svann

Novice Member

Joined: 12/06/06
Posts: 1633

10/11/13 9:48:14 AM#65
The login queue is not bad since it always goes very quick, but why do we still have DF queues for pre-formed groups?  This is not going to get any better as people "spread out" since it is happening at the high end DF's.
  EvolvedMonky

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Joined: 8/25/08
Posts: 562

10/11/13 10:20:06 AM#66
Originally posted by svann
The login queue is not bad since it always goes very quick, but why do we still have DF queues for pre-formed groups?  This is not going to get any better as people "spread out" since it is happening at the high end DF's.

Im guessing DF as in the duty finder... your waiting for space to open up on those servers. The magic patch coming is suppose to add more of those servers. Most I ever waited with a full group was 11 minutes... but it wasnt prime time so ya it sucks, but I can understand why there holding out on adding even more servers, to see the population post  "30 days free"

  SpottyGekko

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Joined: 9/26/04
Posts: 2857

10/11/13 10:32:12 AM#67
Originally posted by amber-r
Originally posted by Fendel84M
Originally posted by amber-r

He is trying to say that nobody has stopped playing and the servers are packed because he had to queue.

Problem is queues don't really mean anything, just as when they needed to increase server caps they can decrease server caps just as easily in preperation of the player loss and also many will be staying online to give the illusion of full servers while they goto bed or work, the afk kicker is easy to block.

This was very popular on FFXI, many would never log to inflate player numbers.

 

The problem honestly with what you're trying to accomplish with this thread is you're showing the exact opposite, your fear of failure.  If you were genuinly confident you wouldn't make a thread like this and indeed you wouldn't defend it so strongly either because you wouldn't need to.

You're right, there are thousands of players who are all soooo personally invested in making sure this game looks more popular than it is, they are leaving their computers and game running 24/7.

If you told me a couple hundred obsessed fans were doing this I might believe you. But to think any significant amount of players are doing this Is poppycock.

And people AFKing all night to avoid not being able to log back in before the fixes is entirely different.

You never played FFXI did you?

Huge chunks of these people never logged off at all and you could see them afk in the same spot in the popular "afk spots" with search comments "At work" "Asleep" etc, there was huge anger at afk kicker on FFXIV because of these players that migrated over to this new game.  The afk kicker is incredibly easy to get around so they stopped complaining and still never log off.

[mod edit]

 

Of course I don't think it's just that, they obviously would of lowered the server caps too.  There is no reason to have such high server caps anymore, they wouldn't advertise the fact they did it though would they.

 

Anyone that thinks there are just as many people playing now as when it was free is crazy.

This has got to be one of the most ridiculous posts I have read on these forums 

 

Are you trying to claim that "FF players" are some special breed that make it their life's work to create the illusion that their MMO is popular ? By never logging out ? LMAO

 

Sure, many people did that in the first few weeks, but that wasn't because they wanted "the servers to look busy". It was because it could take hours to login to the game at that point.

  amber-r

Novice Member

Joined: 6/21/12
Posts: 296

10/11/13 12:45:54 PM#68
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by amber-r
Originally posted by Fendel84M
Originally posted by amber-r

He is trying to say that nobody has stopped playing and the servers are packed because he had to queue.

Problem is queues don't really mean anything, just as when they needed to increase server caps they can decrease server caps just as easily in preperation of the player loss and also many will be staying online to give the illusion of full servers while they goto bed or work, the afk kicker is easy to block.

This was very popular on FFXI, many would never log to inflate player numbers.

 

The problem honestly with what you're trying to accomplish with this thread is you're showing the exact opposite, your fear of failure.  If you were genuinly confident you wouldn't make a thread like this and indeed you wouldn't defend it so strongly either because you wouldn't need to.

You're right, there are thousands of players who are all soooo personally invested in making sure this game looks more popular than it is, they are leaving their computers and game running 24/7.

If you told me a couple hundred obsessed fans were doing this I might believe you. But to think any significant amount of players are doing this Is poppycock.

And people AFKing all night to avoid not being able to log back in before the fixes is entirely different.

You never played FFXI did you?

Huge chunks of these people never logged off at all and you could see them afk in the same spot in the popular "afk spots" with search comments "At work" "Asleep" etc, there was huge anger at afk kicker on FFXIV because of these players that migrated over to this new game.  The afk kicker is incredibly easy to get around so they stopped complaining and still never log off.

[mod edit]

 

Of course I don't think it's just that, they obviously would of lowered the server caps too.  There is no reason to have such high server caps anymore, they wouldn't advertise the fact they did it though would they.

 

Anyone that thinks there are just as many people playing now as when it was free is crazy.

2 things.

1. There is no point in them lowering the server cap since there is no public display of server population ranges. It's pointless for them to try to make the servers appear to be more full than they really are using that method. If there was some metric that told us where server populations are, then you might have an argument.

2. Yes it is easy to defeat the AFK timer. But I'm not convinced it's the epidemic you claim. Even still, so what if it is? What's your point about it? We are now past the 30 day free month so all these so called  "AFKers" are still paying a monthly sub.

This thread and many others I've read say otherwise.

Also the fact they increased the server caps from a normal running position shows that this was done to meet increased demand at launch, not because it was a good server setting.  Makes sense they would lower it again once it wasn't needed anymore. 

If not they would of already been running it at max capacity.

  Homitu

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Joined: 10/01/09
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10/11/13 12:51:19 PM#69
I resubscribed on the 7th, but have only logged in once since then and only to craft.  I kind of regret subbing.  That said, the one time I logged in after the trial period, there was a brief queue.  Take my single anecdotal experience for what it's worth. 
  Justsomenoob

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10/12/13 12:04:11 AM#70
Originally posted by Homitu
I resubscribed on the 7th, but have only logged in once since then and only to craft.  I kind of regret subbing.  That said, the one time I logged in after the trial period, there was a brief queue.  Take my single anecdotal experience for what it's worth. 

 

See this player had a queue.

 

FF XIV is the WoW killer confirmed.  

 

jk

  GeezerGamer

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Joined: 4/03/12
Posts: 4617

 
OP  10/12/13 12:48:15 AM#71
Originally posted by Justsomenoob
Originally posted by Homitu
I resubscribed on the 7th, but have only logged in once since then and only to craft.  I kind of regret subbing.  That said, the one time I logged in after the trial period, there was a brief queue.  Take my single anecdotal experience for what it's worth. 

 

See this player had a queue.

 

FF XIV is the WoW killer confirmed.  

 

jk

It does serve as an example of how a game that doesn't appeal to everyone can still be incredibly popular and also be successful.

One thing I am absolutely convinced of. Most posters at mmorpg.com have no clue. This forum is so far out of touch with the majority of the MMORPG world it's really a joke. I won't even exclude myself from that. 

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Husvik

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Posts: 404

Having fun who cares.

10/12/13 1:15:03 PM#72
I still get a queue occasionally, as in last night and i picked one of the least popular servers.
  Grailer

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Posts: 819

10/15/13 1:43:46 AM#73
I spent over an hour in Dungeon Finder Que the other day , this game is super popular .
  Snowdon_Cloudripper

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I was a 5 star elite member but my awesomeness was showing and the Mods cant have that

10/15/13 2:04:38 AM#74
Originally posted by Grailer
I spent over an hour in Dungeon Finder Que the other day , this game is super popular .

If you play as a DD class it takes a long time to get a duty because everyone is playing as a DD. If you are a tank or healer you get on duty in about 30 seconds to 3 mins because there in high demand 

http://absoluteretribution.enjin.com/ Guild Website and Recruitment link

  Hatefull

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10/15/13 6:05:22 AM#75


Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by Justsomenoob

Originally posted by Homitu I resubscribed on the 7th, but have only logged in once since then and only to craft.  I kind of regret subbing.  That said, the one time I logged in after the trial period, there was a brief queue.  Take my single anecdotal experience for what it's worth. 
  See this player had a queue.   FF XIV is the WoW killer confirmed.     jk
It does serve as an example of how a game that doesn't appeal to everyone can still be incredibly popular and also be successful.

One thing I am absolutely convinced of. Most posters at mmorpg.com have no clue. This forum is so far out of touch with the majority of the MMORPG world it's really a joke. I won't even exclude myself from that. 


I have to agree with you and count myself among those numbers although I am taking steps at recovering.

This community is just terrible and I have to say for a long time I was a member of the problem side (and I have the ban's/warnings to prove it) however recently I have been trying to be less troll and base my arguments on fact.

I think MMORPG is trying to turn things around, but I feel like a lot of the community is not here to discuss, more to just argue and sling shit all over. Hopefully we can start policing our own and make this a site worth talking about. Lord knows, it is about the only site with any potential.

Anyway, back on topic, I re-subbed, logged in last night to a queue, got in and immediately found a group, saw hundreds of people all of my starter area and out in the wilds.

Haters gonna hate, but this game is doing fine today. In three months, who knows?

If you want a new idea, go read an old book.

  DMKano

Elite Member

Joined: 6/17/11
Posts: 5114

10/15/13 6:09:29 AM#76
Originally posted by Grailer
I spent over an hour in Dungeon Finder Que the other day , this game is super popular .

You are making the same mistake as the OP - using invalid metrics as evidence.

DF, times, queue times (a single server at one time metric) are all extremely limited data points that isolated could mean anything you want them to mean.

Example "I spent an hour in DF queue - there's NOBODY playing this game" - see what I did there?

Also define "super popular" - what exactly does that mean?

More popular than Auto Assault, less popular than League of Legends?

 

  ivanj99

Apprentice Member

Joined: 10/15/13
Posts: 21

10/15/13 6:13:36 AM#77
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Justsomenoob
Originally posted by Homitu
I resubscribed on the 7th, but have only logged in once since then and only to craft.  I kind of regret subbing.  That said, the one time I logged in after the trial period, there was a brief queue.  Take my single anecdotal experience for what it's worth. 

 

See this player had a queue.

 

FF XIV is the WoW killer confirmed.  

 

jk

It does serve as an example of how a game that doesn't appeal to everyone can still be incredibly popular and also be successful.

One thing I am absolutely convinced of. Most posters at mmorpg.com have no clue. This forum is so far out of touch with the majority of the MMORPG world it's really a joke. I won't even exclude myself from that. 

Most the 'vocal' minority that chats on here, besides the few good eggs you'll find eventually, are very full of bullshit & ignorance, and are just spewing hate/fanboyism, & plain out trolling [mod edit]

 

Alot of the community here is from old games and they are searching, generally in vain, for something to fill the void, and they don't usually have 10k postcounts, anyone with mass amounts of posts is 99% of the time one of the Bad eggs, and 1% a OG fighting in vain trying to convince people that old school games actually kicked ass and had more depth and content.

And just guessing, but I'm guessing out of the whole viewers of MMORPG.com, only 10% of them actually take part in the posting.

  drbaltazar

Apprentice Member

Joined: 3/28/07
Posts: 7941

10/15/13 6:25:55 AM#78
still get queue on diabolos !but it isn't long !so ya server are packed ! if I wasn't mistaking I would say this game is picking up! there was an insane amount of people this week end
  drbaltazar

Apprentice Member

Joined: 3/28/07
Posts: 7941

10/15/13 6:30:25 AM#79
Originally posted by ivanj99
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Justsomenoob
Originally posted by Homitu
I resubscribed on the 7th, but have only logged in once since then and only to craft.  I kind of regret subbing.  That said, the one time I logged in after the trial period, there was a brief queue.  Take my single anecdotal experience for what it's worth. 

 

See this player had a queue.

 

FF XIV is the WoW killer confirmed.  

 

jk

It does serve as an example of how a game that doesn't appeal to everyone can still be incredibly popular and also be successful.

One thing I am absolutely convinced of. Most posters at mmorpg.com have no clue. This forum is so far out of touch with the majority of the MMORPG world it's really a joke. I won't even exclude myself from that. 

Most the 'vocal' minority that chats on here, besides the few good eggs you'll find eventually, are very full of bullshit & ignorance, and are just spewing hate/fanboyism, & plain out trolling [mod edit]

 

Alot of the community here is from old games and they are searching, generally in vain, for something to fill the void, and they don't usually have 10k postcounts, anyone with mass amounts of posts is 99% of the time one of the Bad eggs, and 1% a OG fighting in vain trying to convince people that old school games actually kicked ass and had more depth and content.

And just guessing, but I'm guessing out of the whole viewers of MMORPG.com, only 10% of them actually take part in the posting.

 

?rofl !yes there are lobbist spamming here hired by other game maker ! wow what a surprise ! rofl ! those that were on raid mode went back to wow but a lot of people love ff14 , you ll meet a lot of player in ff14 don't sweat it ,I don't know the other server but I can tell you diabolos is always packed and from what I hear not the most popular server !

  Mothanos

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Joined: 10/20/10
Posts: 1829

10/15/13 6:45:05 AM#80

FF ARR is by far the most fun mmo on the current market.
Great comminuty, traditional mmo, healer ! tank !
Overal this game has it all :)

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