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  Hariken

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10/14/13 4:40:34 PM#181
I'VE done also and my reason was because i couldn't afford anything.  The first game i did this was wow. My character always had the crappiest gear. All from quest or if lucky drops. I finally just gave in to it. And don't forget to blame this on greedy players. Those AH prices come from them. So What you gonna do. 
  TwoThreeFour

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10/14/13 4:54:05 PM#182
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by GwapoJosh

I feel sorry for people willing to sacrifice years from their life for money.. So sad.

You do realize that's pretty much the definition of a "job", right?

Not if you love your "job". 

  TwoThreeFour

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10/14/13 5:02:45 PM#183

If a game isn't enjoyable at a casual level (casual in the sense of time-commitment), then simply just quit the game and play a game that is actaully enjoyable given your time constraints.

 

I stopped playing several games due to the realization that they are too time demanding. This is specially true about games where you need to participate for an event/spawn that only happens a specific time of the day. Games where daily quests are very important also makes me less motivated to play; so yeah qutting is always an option.

 

  nottuned

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10/14/13 5:59:13 PM#184
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by nottuned

my hobby is building model cars.

I pay someone else to build em cuz it takes to much time and patience to build myself.

I have a very nice collection. Merica

Again, you are all still working on the premise that everyone or even a majority buy gold or items to bypass 'work'. I don't doubt that's the most convenient point to take a high ground on and argue against, but it isn't the only reason or even the main reason people buy things in MMOs. 

You build model cars. That means you probably have bought some models that are exotic or rare. You may have bought collectible models that never leave the box. If you're like my buddy who builds model cars, you also have bought display stands and lighting for your models. 

You probably also travel to hobby expos and conventions, too, right?

nottuned, do you make your model cars from scratch with plastic, and metal ore? If not, you are already paid others to do part of the work for you.

It is just a matter of degree.

No, I pay people to do that for me, all of it.

The only thing I do is brag to my friends at how good I am at building model cars.

  VengeSunsoar

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10/14/13 6:30:15 PM#185
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

If a game isn't enjoyable at a casual level (casual in the sense of time-commitment), then simply just quit the game and play a game that is actaully enjoyable given your time constraints.

 

I stopped playing several games due to the realization that they are too time demanding. This is specially true about games where you need to participate for an event/spawn that only happens a specific time of the day. Games where daily quests are very important also makes me less motivated to play; so yeah qutting is always an option.

 

This is what I think most people do.  They just stop playing. 

The disconnect is between what these boards complain about and what actually happens. 

Most people just stop playing.  The devs see those numbers stop playing and say, uh oh, the devs themselves then want to change the game.  The devs are chasing the casuals.

These boards see it the other way around, that casuals are demanding change.  The casuals rarely come to the boards, they just stop playing.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  Crydex

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10/14/13 6:37:06 PM#186
Originally posted by bcbully
It just doesn't make sense to me. I don't have a profound paragraph to write, I just want to know why. Thanks in advance. 

Convenience.

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  Ozivois

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10/14/13 6:43:18 PM#187

I never bought gold either but a few times when I leveled up tradeskills it can get expensive so if you want to level up tradeskills quickly and you don't have another character to "twink" the grind by sending your alt gold then I guess buying gold would be the answer.

 

Otherwise, if you don't have the gold to buy crafting resources you would have to spend a lot of time gathering the resources by hand (killing certain mobs, harvesting nodes, etc.) which is exactly how I did it (and probably the intent of the game's design).

 

Which brings me to a point to bring up: if these games didn't offer public auctions and forced players to trade goods manually (no bot-selling) then it would help minimize the gold farming.

  DamonVile

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10/14/13 9:54:51 PM#188
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by DamonVile

It's pretty tragic to see how many ppl are ignorant ( by choice or just don't care ) to where this gold comes from. Apparently ppl have no issue with buying stolen property just as long as they don't have to see someone do it.

What goes around comes around I guess.

What stolen property? Aren't we talking about buying gold from cash shop operated by the devs?

 

 

 


No... That would be like asking why someone spends money on a cosmetic item. The answer is obvious.

Gold from "china" is stolen from other players accounts.

The OP does not say it is about gold from "china" and MANY cash shop sell in-game currency.

And how is it the same as spending money on a cosmetic item? Buying gold in a cash shop is more p2w, and even not, can change the in-game economy, while cosmetic items do not.

 

I'm not going to argue a red herring with you. If the money is going to the devs then it's part of the game...like it or not. If you're buying from an off site gold seller you're buying gold from someone that is stealing it from other players. If you're ok doing that....you're a pretty shitty person.
  aspekx

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10/14/13 10:10:10 PM#189
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by DamonVile

It's pretty tragic to see how many ppl are ignorant ( by choice or just don't care ) to where this gold comes from. Apparently ppl have no issue with buying stolen property just as long as they don't have to see someone do it.

What goes around comes around I guess.

What stolen property? Aren't we talking about buying gold from cash shop operated by the devs?

 

 

 


No... That would be like asking why someone spends money on a cosmetic item. The answer is obvious.

Gold from "china" is stolen from other players accounts.

The OP does not say it is about gold from "china" and MANY cash shop sell in-game currency.

And how is it the same as spending money on a cosmetic item? Buying gold in a cash shop is more p2w, and even not, can change the in-game economy, while cosmetic items do not.

 

I'm not going to argue a red herring with you. If the money is going to the devs then it's part of the game...like it or not. If you're buying from an off site gold seller you're buying gold from someone that is stealing it from other players. If you're ok doing that....you're a pretty shitty person.

i think a lot of folks forget that gold spammers are not always selling what they botted harvesting. quite a few are selling gold garnered from one source, and one source only, stolen accounts.

 

as for a reason, a number of people i know that have done this have typically done it in a game with a top heavy population and bloated economy, simply to "catch up."

 

not offering that as an excuse for them, but as a reason. while there may not always be an excuse, there is always a reason.

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  Dragim

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10/14/13 10:23:16 PM#190

I want to pose a question:  Is buying gold different than spending IRL cash on item shop items?

Yes and No. 

Yes it is different, because it flucks up the economy, (I am sorry but it does, especially in FFXIV, it has had an immense impact and I duno if it will ever be repaired.)

Yes it is different, because usually buying item shop items means that the money goes into the companie's pockets, not into the economy.  Also, it isn't made using RMT/Bots/sweatshop-style work.

No it is not different because you are paying IRL cash for pixels, A short cut.  Any way you slice it, you are spending extra cash on a game.  Buy an EXP booster for IRL cash?  "Thats Lazy" (air quotes for sarcasm).  Buy gil booster for cash. "Lazy".  Buy that super cool mount instead of raiding for it?  "Lazy".

Either way...buying item shop items, buying Gil from gold sellers, you are taking a short cut.

So..you buy an EXP scroll that "Saves You Time", that you otherwise might not have because you work/family all the time.  You buy in game gold because it "Saves You Time".

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Now my final example.

Guild Wars 2.

Guild wars 2, you can simply "Buy Gold" through the game.  "Hey let me exchange my 2000 gems for 50 gold."

Ok ok before you cry FOUL!, I understand that people can also buy gems with gold, which makes it a 2 way street.  Gold goes in and out of the economy all the time keeping it "relatively stable."

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So yes, i hate gold sellers, they piss me off, it pisses me off to see people buy 1 million gil in FFXIV for $10, while I spent a month of hard crafting/marketing to get 1 million gil.

On the other hand, I hate gold sellers, but I can understand why people would want to buy gil.

If you do buy gil, please just don't buy a mega-ton. Because when you get banned for doing so, I don't want to hear you cry about it. Or cry about being hacked.  Or get me banned/my gil lost (like in FFXIV) because I sold you an item and you bought it with your IRL boughten gil.

Also- when you buy tons of gil, then buyout everything in the marketplace, it really screws up the economy.  I don't have 300,000 gil to buy 1 item that should cost 100,000.  But it costs 300,000 because too many Gil buyers are driving up prices.

Or...in FFXIV....Botters are mining items "auto-like" and putting tons and tons of them into the market for dirt cheap prices.  How can you compete with that which has no life?

You gil buyers are then buying the botters items, which further drives down prices, making everyone poor and a top heavy United States type economy.

I am entitled to my opinions, misspellings, and grammatical errors.

  Loktofeit

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10/14/13 10:31:02 PM#191
Originally posted by nottuned
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by nottuned

my hobby is building model cars.

I pay someone else to build em cuz it takes to much time and patience to build myself.

I have a very nice collection. Merica

Again, you are all still working on the premise that everyone or even a majority buy gold or items to bypass 'work'. I don't doubt that's the most convenient point to take a high ground on and argue against, but it isn't the only reason or even the main reason people buy things in MMOs. 

You build model cars. That means you probably have bought some models that are exotic or rare. You may have bought collectible models that never leave the box. If you're like my buddy who builds model cars, you also have bought display stands and lighting for your models. 

You probably also travel to hobby expos and conventions, too, right?

nottuned, do you make your model cars from scratch with plastic, and metal ore? If not, you are already paid others to do part of the work for you.

It is just a matter of degree.

No, I pay people to do that for me, all of it.

The only thing I do is brag to my friends at how good I am at building model cars.

And this is the reason why you can't have a meaningful discussion on the topic with the people who are against it. They have their assumptions, believe them as fact, and won't even attempt to rationally discuss anything that might contradict it. 

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  Loktofeit

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10/14/13 10:33:10 PM#192
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

If a game isn't enjoyable at a casual level (casual in the sense of time-commitment), then simply just quit the game and play a game that is actaully enjoyable given your time constraints.

I stopped playing several games due to the realization that they are too time demanding. This is specially true about games where you need to participate for an event/spawn that only happens a specific time of the day. Games where daily quests are very important also makes me less motivated to play; so yeah qutting is always an option.

This is what I think most people do.  They just stop playing. 

The disconnect is between what these boards complain about and what actually happens. 

Most people just stop playing.  The devs see those numbers stop playing and say, uh oh, the devs themselves then want to change the game.  The devs are chasing the casuals.

These boards see it the other way around, that casuals are demanding change.  The casuals rarely come to the boards, they just stop playing.

AAA +1 would read again 

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  iixviiiix

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10/15/13 12:42:49 AM#193

I buy gold because i need it and don't have time or don't have enough man power to get it from game.

I never buy gold for my personal use but there are time i fund with my guild mates to buy gold to keep guild hall and other suit.

Sometime you can't earn enough gold to use in game > RMT and buy gold.

 

other case buy gold to keep they in game rank  because they hate to lost to other , they enjoy to stay in top and spend money to keep they seat

  jpnz

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10/15/13 1:49:14 AM#194

I can grind for 5 hours or I can work at my job for 10 mins and use that money to avoid the grind.

Hmm... I wonder which one I'd choose; 5 Hours vs 10 mins

Tough choice....

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  pierth

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10/15/13 2:18:47 AM#195


Originally posted by Loktofeit
And this is the reason why you can't have a meaningful discussion on the topic with the people who are against it. They have their assumptions, believe them as fact, and won't even attempt to rationally discuss anything that might contradict it. 


This is the problem I've found with every messageboard I've partaken in on the internet.

  Renoaku

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10/15/13 2:33:22 AM#196
Originally posted by bcbully
It just doesn't make sense to me. I don't have a profound paragraph to write, I just want to know why. Thanks in advance. 

To answer you're question honestly.

1.) Because buying gold is the way to progress faster in online MMO's take Dark Fall 1 for example, or World OF Warcraft which have been around for many years, or players are  able to farm up a lot of gold, well finally the auction house, or economy prices are so high that you're average newbie to the game can't afford top Tier level 20 gear and so on for their level 20 toon only the level 70's with alternate accounts can so the simple solution is to head over to a site and buy gold.

The problem with buying gold however is that most games TOS its illegal, which I feel that Real Money Trading should be 100% legal in all MMO's.

Real Money Trading should be at the players own expense and all trades in the game are final (X) Company will not interfere with such actions except those where players are doing illegal things such as (Spamming Chat) with RMT sales, or Botting in the game to illegally obtain money/gold. (This is the only time it should be illegal and offending sellers should be banned.)

 

This is why Real Money Trading exists, if you take out all items from a game fix it so there is no auction house no way to trade items at all so the only way is a player can obtain items themselves everything 100% bound then there won't be a problem with RMT or gold sells.

2.) Now you might think a solution is to increase the (Gold Drop) that a monster drops for lower levels or something, but all that really does in reality is the same thing that is happening in the U.S with government bail-outs basically it puts more gold into the economy for example in wow a level 10 murloc worth like 50 copper now worth 10 silver or something but the result is inflation it doesn't help the new players at all just makes it worse.

  daltanious

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10/15/13 3:20:01 AM#197
Originally posted by AlBQuirky

I don't, but one of my guildmates in WoW bought gold a couple of times. Once was for the big mount with the vendor and smith on the back and the other time... I forget :)

People will buy gold to buy in game items that cost in game currency, be it mounts, armors/weapons, mats, potions, high end items in the Auction House, what have you. There are many "guides" on how to make "easy gold" in almost any MMO, but many people just do not have the ability to follow them. Out comes the credit card to purchase what they want in the game.

Does that help any?

Agree fully with you. I never purchased any gold, would deny very idea why i play. But I admit I was tempted once just out of frustration when after months on trying to collect money for my first mount in one game I realized I will nover get to that ammount of money in honest way. Later left game. I'm not speaking of getting everything for free in any game ... but ingame prices (not even to mention that based on so called "economy" of ah) are many times so insane that are able to ruin all fun.

  free2play

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10/15/13 3:33:08 AM#198

People will always justify it. many people think it's all hand and glove anyway. Just another way for companies to make money. "Lets make time sinks really crappy and boring as shit so people will look for alternatives".

 

Using bad content as a throttle is why gold farming can happen. When was the last time you saw someone buying gold in Lord of the Rings Online? Where you can literally farm 3 Gold an hour with a tier capped Farmer, just selling cook optional, herb loots you get to a vendor.

 

Games use bad habits in their content and people use bad habits to combat it.

  Neo_Viper

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If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong.

10/15/13 12:13:38 PM#199
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

This is what I think most people do.  They just stop playing. 

The disconnect is between what these boards complain about and what actually happens. 

Most people just stop playing.  The devs see those numbers stop playing and say, uh oh, the devs themselves then want to change the game.  The devs are chasing the casuals.

These boards see it the other way around, that casuals are demanding change.  The casuals rarely come to the boards, they just stop playing.

AAA +1 would read again 

Pretty much. Still, a minority of buyers make the invasion of games by farmers, spammers and account thieves possible.

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  coretex666

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10/15/13 12:18:48 PM#200

I have never bought gold in an online game.

Hardcore gamers grind for stuff. They dont buy it.

For me, RPG is about building up my character. Consequently, buying stuff just to skip the process would not make any sense.

Currently playing: L2 Chronicle 4

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