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  Grailer

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Joined: 6/13/06
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10/11/13 7:50:06 PM#21
Originally posted by aspekx

im subbed and enjoying the game and will continue to do so for some time to come.

 

however, that doesn't stop me from wanting to know wth is going on with SE and their incompetence. i want to know /because/ i care, not because i hate or troll.

Same here I subbed because I couldn't find a game that is better .

Please if anyone knows of a better game that I haven't played let me know so I can start playing that .

 

 

  Grailer

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10/11/13 7:54:45 PM#22
Originally posted by Asm0deus
Originally posted by DMKano

Its still not fixed - a guildy just reported guy leveling alchemy to 50 (from lvl 17) in less than 2min.

Such a huge exploit needs to be addressed ASAP, other MMOs would be in immediate maint mode with servers offline if you could send bugus DB commands from your client granting you mass XP and levels.

The fact that this has been going on for weeks is a real shame.

 

This is why I have not subbed yet, I am waiting for SE to prove to me they give rats arse and will do something about the issues they are having and will actually fix them.

 

The top few that come to mind are the massive botting, the AOE lag issues and this, which has been known for awhile now. 

 

Like Alamareth says the game is fun but unlike Alamareth I will not put my head in the sand and  make excuses or be an apologist for SE because I ultimately want them to take us seriously and improve the game.

I have always felt the best way to encourage companies to do the right thing is with your wallet or lack of along with making sure people are aware of what is what so they can make an informed and accurate decision before purchasing a game.

I don't think they give a rats arse about anything ,  the gil spamming should be easy fix but they haven't done anything about chat spam .

The AOE lag is a joke ,  I have to run around like a turkey to avoid AOE that might occur in the next 2 seconds .Seems to be server side too .

A new game will come out soon and this game will be bai bai thanks for the fun , next time learn how to program.

 

 

  Sircampsalot08

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Posts: 19

10/11/13 8:02:47 PM#23
The first screenshot I'd be a little skeptical about.  The game doesn't send packets using JavaScript, which is what a JSON is.  The 2nd screenshot was an exploit with the leve system that was fixed earlier this week.
  Kyleran

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10/11/13 8:12:14 PM#24
Originally posted by bcbully
This is news worthy. I don't think I've heard anything as bad in a major mmorpg. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few articles from the major gaming sites.

Well, unless of course it isn't really true, then you might not hear much about it.

 

Arrogant, Condescending, Dismissive, Elitist, you speak as if these are bad things?
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  Pratt2112

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10/11/13 8:13:15 PM#25
Originally posted by Rhoklaw

I don't get why anyone would get angry about a thread popping up here thats 3 week old news about a very serious problem that has a severe effect on a game, especially a PvE focused game. Economy is everything in a PvE MMO and if that gets out of whack within the first month, then takes 3-6 months to completely fix, you've already had the snowball effect screw everyone else over.

People are getting angry because a serious flaw in "their game" that has been mostly unknown (not everyone reads reddit, etc) has now been blown open to more people... and there's no way for them to defend or spin it. It's absolutely an indefensible screw-up on SE's part (not that people won't try to defend it anyway).

So, instead, they turn to insulting the people posting about it. Classic ad hominem. What else can they do? Admit that SE blew it on something? You know that ain't gonna happen. They can't admit SE did anything wrong. It's against their "code of honor"... or whatever it is that makes them defend the game and the devs against every single misstep that comes up. And boy is this game racking up the missteps.

 

"Devs need to stop trying to make MMOs for people who don't like MMOs" - thevampirelematt/Reddit

  svann

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Posts: 1633

10/11/13 11:48:16 PM#26
Originally posted by Kuraphimaru

 


Originally posted by Alamareth
Seriously old news, most of us have known about this for weeks.  The concern trolling is unnecessary and gratuitous.

 

Remember the whole 365 billion taken out of the economy?  This was part of that.

Mtibbs and I even referenced these kind of exploits in the multitude of threads complaining about gil confiscations.  Threads that you (the OP) were involved in.

Glad to see the air below the sand is so fresh.


 

Who is us and where else did you hear about this before? Just curious, since its my first time reading regarding this topic.

You can always count on someone saying "This is old news, and stop telling people".

  Torvaldr

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Joined: 6/10/09
Posts: 5818

10/12/13 12:06:56 AM#27

If this is true it is really horrible and makes the Neverwinter exploit look like a minor glitch. I really hope MMORP does some investigative reporting here and exposes the truth either way.

Remember Cryptic got raked over the coals for far less than this while SE seems to be getting pass after pass.

Curse you AquaScum!

  Grailer

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Joined: 6/13/06
Posts: 832

10/12/13 3:34:16 AM#28

you can pretty much buy cheat software for this game that allows you to get lvl 50 on all jobs and even edit what gear you want .  Pretty crazy stuff that they allowed client to be so much in control .

 

Wonder if they will fix it or are they just poor programmers ?

  TwoThreeFour

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Posts: 2148

10/12/13 5:26:45 AM#29
Originally posted by Grailer

you can pretty much buy cheat software for this game that allows you to get lvl 50 on all jobs and even edit what gear you want .  Pretty crazy stuff that they allowed client to be so much in control .

 

Wonder if they will fix it or are they just poor programmers ?

Crafting leve exploit has been proven to exist but there is no proof yet that it isn't limited by your leve allowences amount, so far from s ure that you would be able all crafts to lv50 in 1 day using it.

 

As for the "edit what gear you want", what proof do you have for it? It is certainly not enough to assume it is true just because someone advertises to sell it.

  Phry

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Posts: 5265

10/12/13 5:46:36 AM#30
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by bcbully
This is news worthy. I don't think I've heard anything as bad in a major mmorpg. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few articles from the major gaming sites.

Well, unless of course it isn't really true, then you might not hear much about it.

 

Kind of reminds me of one of Terry Pratchet's 'sayings'

a lie is twice around the world before the truth has got its boots on.. or something like that.

  Alamareth

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Posts: 591

10/12/13 8:41:31 AM#31
Originally posted by bcbully
This is news worthy. I don't think I've heard anything as bad in a major mmorpg. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few articles from the major gaming sites.

Perfect World, Neverwinter, Vindictus, Legend of Ares, Diablo 2....I could go on all day....

I thought this was fixed, but if you can trust DMKano with anything - perhaps it isn't.  I haven't heard anything about it since the massive banning, which is odd considering I'm part of a massive crafting LS.

  DMKano

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Joined: 6/17/11
Posts: 5444

10/12/13 8:45:28 AM#32
Originally posted by Alamareth
Originally posted by bcbully
This is news worthy. I don't think I've heard anything as bad in a major mmorpg. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few articles from the major gaming sites.

Perfect World, Neverwinter, Vindictus, Legend of Ares, Diablo 2....I could go on all day....

I thought this was fixed, but if you can trust DMKano with anything - perhaps it isn't.  I haven't heard anything about it since the massive banning, which is odd considering I'm part of a massive crafting LS.

The big server maintenance on Monday should fix this exploit. In the meantime report folks that you see doing this - they are banning actively now. Just watch your text on screen for somebody gaining 30-40 levels in less than a minute.

I reported 2 folks auto-killing mobs for skin/leather materials (both were logged on for days doing this) - this morning both are gone! I know this is a separate issue (botting) but its nice to see they are removing the bots. 

 

P.S. Include the coordinates and zone/region name - it helps the process.

 

 

 

  Alamareth

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Posts: 591

10/12/13 8:50:35 AM#33
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by Alamareth
Originally posted by bcbully
This is news worthy. I don't think I've heard anything as bad in a major mmorpg. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few articles from the major gaming sites.

Perfect World, Neverwinter, Vindictus, Legend of Ares, Diablo 2....I could go on all day....

I thought this was fixed, but if you can trust DMKano with anything - perhaps it isn't.  I haven't heard anything about it since the massive banning, which is odd considering I'm part of a massive crafting LS.

The big server maintenance on Monday should fix this exploit. In the meantime report folks that you see doing this - they are banning actively now. Just watch your text on screen for somebody gaining 30-40 levels in less than a minute.

I reported 2 folks auto-killing mobs for skin/leather materials (both were logged on for days doing this) - this morning both are gone! I know this is a separate issue (botting) but its nice to see they are removing the bots. 

 

P.S. Include the coordinates and zone/region name - it helps the process.

Yeah, same thing I do for the underground bots....

I have no doubt they will ban all of them it's pretty flagrant.

  TwoThreeFour

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Posts: 2148

10/12/13 12:20:13 PM#34
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by Alamareth
Originally posted by bcbully
This is news worthy. I don't think I've heard anything as bad in a major mmorpg. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few articles from the major gaming sites.

Perfect World, Neverwinter, Vindictus, Legend of Ares, Diablo 2....I could go on all day....

I thought this was fixed, but if you can trust DMKano with anything - perhaps it isn't.  I haven't heard anything about it since the massive banning, which is odd considering I'm part of a massive crafting LS.

The big server maintenance on Monday should fix this exploit. In the meantime report folks that you see doing this - they are banning actively now. Just watch your text on screen for somebody gaining 30-40 levels in less than a minute.

I reported 2 folks auto-killing mobs for skin/leather materials (both were logged on for days doing this) - this morning both are gone! I know this is a separate issue (botting) but its nice to see they are removing the bots. 

 

P.S. Include the coordinates and zone/region name - it helps the process.

 

 

 

That's great to hear! Thx for tips too about reporting zone/region name. 

  Husvik

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Posts: 435

Having fun who cares.

10/12/13 1:06:40 PM#35

If you want to do something like this and risk a ban then maybe you shouldn't be playing this game as you obviously don't care about the game like the majority of us do. in fact if you do, i hope you get banned for life as i don't want people like this playing my game anyway.

 

It's a great game and completely worth my time and money.

  skeaser

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10/12/13 1:11:49 PM#36
The bigger concern is how big is the flaw? Could a knowledgeable player potentially damage other players or the database itself? Could someone modify loot tables or spawn times for example or even spawn bosses in the starter area?


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  lovebug

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10/12/13 3:52:16 PM#37

great game  shame its run so bad with se. i would  recomend anyone to steer clear of this game has it is now its just a hackers dream. with account bannings flying all over the place. might give it ago again next year if its still about .

this is the first mmo ive ever had that i have been banned from. some hacker was on my acc2 that i never used and was spammimng gold sale so i am told.

i have deleted my acc1 and 2 now back to playing the mmo ive been playing for the last 7 years thats never been hacket :)).

  amber-r

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OP  10/12/13 5:29:37 PM#38

Problem really I think is they were rushed to push the game out before it was ready.  The basics of the game was ready but there is very little security in the game at all, pretty much anything is possible on here because there are very few server side checks that almost ever other mmo has.

 

Given how active the botting and hacking community was on FFXI it made sense they went overboard with FFXIV v1 (almost every single action was server side), sad that instead of some kind of middle ground they they went so far the other way with ARR.  The server just blindly accepts whatever the client tells it and the client is always so easy to change that it should never be trusted on anything important.

 

The low price of gil and the massive rmt selling presence makes a lot more sense now, also the massive amount of gil removed from the game (60 billion was it?) within weeks when it would of been impossible for that much gil to of been created legitimatly in such a small amount of time.

 

[mod edit - please don't post links, details, pics, or videos with instructions on how to exploit]

  TwoThreeFour

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10/12/13 7:02:59 PM#39
Originally posted by amber-r

Problem really I think is they were rushed to push the game out before it was ready.  The basics of the game was ready but there is very little security in the game at all, pretty much anything is possible on here because there are very few server side checks that almost ever other mmo has.

 

Given how active the botting and hacking community was on FFXI it made sense they went overboard with FFXIV v1 (almost every single action was server side), sad that instead of some kind of middle ground they they went so far the other way with ARR.  The server just blindly accepts whatever the client tells it and the client is always so easy to change that it should never be trusted on anything important.

 

The low price of gil and the massive rmt selling presence makes a lot more sense now, also the massive amount of gil removed from the game (60 billion was it?) within weeks when it would of been impossible for that much gil to of been created legitimatly in such a small amount of time.

[mod edit - please don't post links, details, pics, or videos with instructions on how to exploit]

Changing numbers and images on your client is possible in every god damn game. The video you provided and screenshot you provided are no proof, simply because all that is editable in every game; what matters is if the server reckognizes those changes. 

 

And no just because it looks like he bought the items inside the game, it doesnt mean that the game actually reckognizes them as valid trades. A simple test would have been to see him close the game , login from scratch in window mode and see if the money and items is still there (of course blurring names and login details).

 

Furthermore, if there was a such true exploit, you would expect them to buyout all markets and expensive items in market, to show that they can and that SE fucked up; that hasn't happened.

 

Of course, if the person providing the video wants to hack accounts or sell the "hack", they of course use the tools they can to fool potential buyers.

  Doogiehowser

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10/13/13 10:39:50 AM#40
Originally posted by Alamareth

Seriously old news, most of us have known about this for weeks.  The concern trolling is unnecessary and gratuitous.

Remember the whole 365 billion taken out of the economy?  This was part of that.

Mtibbs and I even referenced these kind of exploits in the multitude of threads complaining about gil confiscations.  Threads that you (the OP) were involved in.

Glad to see the air below the sand is so fresh.

I didn't know about this. And i am glad OP posted it here.

And who made you the forum police? 

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