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10/11/13 11:03:06 AM#41
Both rift and tsw are very much appreciated by a reasonable size of ghe community... They dont belong on that list

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10/11/13 11:07:03 AM#42
Fallen Earth should never get on this list. Since its launch game changed hands and all development ceased. All you get is same old system with "new cool items" from cash shop and repetitive gameplay. Last "patch" is a joke.

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10/11/13 11:08:41 AM#43

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
Both rift and tsw are very much appreciated by a reasonable size of ghe community... They dont belong on that list

Yeah I would replace those with WURM Online, or Uncharted Waters, or Pirates of the Burning Sea. TSW and Rift are mainstream mmos that have enjoyed commercial success and are regularly advertised all over the place.


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10/11/13 11:12:23 AM#44
Man, Saga of Ryzom. I remember it from back in the day before it was put on life support after management handover.  I don't know if TSW is so much underappreciated as much as it simply suffers from being an MMO when it would've otherwise made an excellent adventure game.

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10/11/13 11:15:32 AM#45

Rift is one of the best out there, its just so incredibly static. The extra that it has are the Rifts and they are very good content wise.

TSW is troublesome, yes good quests, the best graphics in the industry and actually a very good "Wheel" of attack options. However.... the center earth thing is cripling the game, just like artifical barries to get iinto dungeons, which really are pretty bad. If you are a girl and you like to dance go Rift or TSW, but if you are a real man that actually likes to fight!!, keep searching for something more immersive out there...


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10/11/13 11:20:03 AM#46

I tried the beta of The Secret World and literally felt it was the *worst* game I've ever played. Usually if I don't like a game I just uninstall and move on but TSW actually made me angry that I had wasted time with it. Horrible combat, very boring  skills, terribly written wannabe-Stephen King story and quests that were supposed to be part of this story but reset every 24 hours so you could grind them. I'm always shocked when I see anyone praise TSW. Maybe they have drastically improved it since beta?


Rift is a great leveling system stuck in a fun but generic game. Ryzom I tried but found boring. Wakfu does sound interesting, will have to look into that.



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10/11/13 11:25:49 AM#47

I actually would add Darkfall UW. Large open seamless world aiming combat things take some time to accomplish. I would recommend it to old school mmo vets that can handle being killed and looted occasionally. So refreshing to be treated like an adult with consequences to you actions. I agree with the list for the most part. If I have to play a game with is tsw. The builder combat is a bit of a chore though. Eliminate the building component and I think it would be a much bigger hit. Rift has clunky combat and a smallish linear quest hub thanks.


Edit:  I wasn't big on FE's controls/combat system, but I respect what the game is trying to do.


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10/11/13 11:30:34 AM#48
Age of Conan should have made this list.

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10/11/13 11:44:28 AM#49
The redeeming factors mentioned for each game in this article hardly makes up for the reason why said games went "unappreciated" in the first place.

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10/11/13 11:48:48 AM#50

I may collapse - an article I agree with!


I haven't played Ryzom or Fallen Earth but may give them a shot.  F2P makes me want to vomit though.  Great model for games like LOL where you can thrive selling skins and stuff and where pay 2 win is non existent.  I've yet to see F2P in an MMORPG that didn't include some element of pay 2 win, and ANY shred of pay 2 win is unacceptable to me.  Play (not pay) to win or don't play.


I'd agree that Rift is underappreciated (and/or overly bashed).  A lot of MMOs qualify as "wow clones" yet fail miserably to even come close to the formula.  Rift not only offers just about everything wow offers but it offers more (perhaps not in the pvp areas but since I don't give a crap about pvp...who cares).  I refer to Rift as "wow without the suck" (since wow has been dumbed down to infantile over the years) but Rift really offers up much more content at any given time in endgame space.


I would probably have put TSW at the top of the list.  Launching against the overly hyped and ultimately disappointing GW2 hurt TSW, which is a shame, because it's an excellent game.  I'm all about grouping but if you're going to simulate a single player RPG in your MMO, TSW does it better than most with some of the slickest solo content in the genre - huge variety, way more depth and challenge, great stories and interesting bits everywhere.  TSW has some of the best atmosphere and vibe of any MMORPG too, with it's somewhat fantasy in a modern world presentation.


TSW also has some of the better instances too IMO - great content that focuses on bosses and not on time sinking useless trash.  Too bad funcom is generally inept.  As good as TSW is, there isn't enough of it, and since funcom focuses on spending months creating hours worth of solo content instead of creating more group-based/endgame content, you eventually run out of stuff to do way too fast.


I would guess that one of the main reasons that TSW hasn't done better is because its content is NOT ultra dumb (or solo ez mode).  You have to actually pay attention and think quite often (or look up stuff online constantly and if that's what it boils down to for you, it won't be fun and why are you playing ANY games).  And even though its character/build system is wide open, if you don't THINK and build a solid/cohesive build, you'll get mangled as content ramps up.  TSW rewards intelligence, which is something way too many MMORPG players lack these days.  TSW doesn't hold your hand.



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10/11/13 11:54:07 AM#51

I usually often agree with you, Bill, but Rift is definitely a "WoW Clone", not to mention a very linear game, the world feels small, no real cities either, and poorly responsive combat.

TSW... just like Conan, it just doesn't feel like a world. It's just random zones, connected with a very artificial travel system, totally disconnected from each other. And the combat is just plain bad.

Wafku/Dofus... just the graphics make me sick. I guess some people are into such things though.

Fallen Earth is not really a sandbox, you can craft your own helicopter or bike in WoW and that doesn't make it a sandbox either.

Rizom is definitely an interesting game worth trying, it just wasn't my cup of tea but it's definitely not bad. It's just, as said in the article, quite different.

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10/11/13 11:54:43 AM#52
I would agree Rift and TSW should not be on that list. In their place I would include Age of Conan and maybe Star Trek Online.  I don't play either of those games, but I keep hearing how they have improved and they do seem to have a fanbase. 

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10/11/13 12:00:29 PM#53
Still got my Ryzom closed beta CD tucked away somewhere in my collection, loved the game back then and somehow i just forgot about the game entirely, tried it a year or two back, just couldn't get into it anymore like i did a decade ago :)

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10/11/13 12:02:41 PM#54
I think you got to add Asheron's Call to the list.  The vast majority of players who never played it always forget to mention it's existence and it's contributions to the early days of MMO's.  99% of the time when I read someone talking about nostalgia or how great early MMO's were they mention UO or EQ and it rightfully pisses me off when they ignore AC. 

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10/11/13 12:04:57 PM#55

Fallen earth deserves to be number 1,  the reason is simple.  They had a great plan during beta.  It all fell apart.  From simple mechanics like swimming in the water, to this day you still cant go in the water.  We had anticipated area 141 by now, but no I gave up way beck during the 2nd combat upgrade.  Combat changes have been a disaster to this game.   They might still have a small following. I think its been a year since I last logged into Fallen earth. Great idea's bad dev's and Gamers First, yes that really put the final nail in the coffin for me.

I have to ask why swtor did not make this list. 



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10/11/13 12:06:14 PM#56
Rift and The Secret World are unappreciated?? riiiiight.  If you ask me games such as SWTOR should be up there as that game is seriously unappreciated in more than one way and imo its a decent game really.  And if its cus hardly anyone plays em again I beg to differ on the two titles I mentioned, finding it hard to believe, but I think D&DO is most unappreciated good MMO out there.


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10/11/13 12:19:09 PM#57

Rift is actually the best F2P themepark ever.

I suggest everyone to give it a try, you have access to 100% of the content fro free.

The only money you need to spend is £5 to have full access to the AH.

After that you can play the game for free forever................


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10/11/13 12:29:55 PM#58

Heh, I like Fallen Earth. I bought it when it was released, and with a break, I still play it. ^^ It's teeming with players, I enjoy the graphics and the open world, the classless system and the crafting. Great game. My "let's play fallen earth" is nearing episode 300. :D

Rift I bought too when ti was released, but never really played it. It was just so restrictive on where you could go. You had only two starting zones in the entire game, and you could always just follow one path to advance. T_T

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10/11/13 12:33:44 PM#59
Pretty solid list, Bill. I've played 3 of the 5 and still have both TSW and Rift active and updated.

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10/11/13 12:34:19 PM#60
You forgot World of Warcraft.
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