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  Grailer

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Joined: 6/13/06
Posts: 819

10/11/13 12:06:27 AM#21

Sorry you lost your virtual currency .

 

However think of it this way , you took one for the team to get rid of the 100+ other players who didn't obtain their currency using legit reasons .

 

Thanks for being that guy who took one for the team .

  free2play

Advanced Member

Joined: 10/13/05
Posts: 1780

10/11/13 6:27:12 AM#22
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by free2play

Phry is correct. I'd say it's still on Square Enix. I guess we are supposed to barricade ourselves in and never use the Market board.

 

I sell 5 K shards, I can't control who buys those shards. I said it on their forums too and got a 10 day ban. They need to go back to making single player games because they don't know their ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to MMO games.

If you are a shop owner, and someone buys from your shop using counterfeit currency, and when you try to bank that currency, the bank discovers the 'fake' currency, they remove it from circulation, you take a loss. Does that mean its the fault of the Bank that your now out of pocket, or the fault of the person who used the counterfeit currency to buy from you?
 The ones to blame are the ones from who this counterfeit currency originated, the victims are the ones caught up in the passage of the 'counterfeit' currency. This is why RMT trading has to be stepped on, and hard.

That's some pretty broken logic and you know it.

Square needs a better way to regulate RMT damage. Throwing players under the bus every time an RMT account is found won't be healthy for the game.

  Alamareth

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Joined: 1/03/06
Posts: 591

10/11/13 6:51:37 AM#23
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
I'm sorry that you lost your money. However, there's a lot of stuff many of the "innocent" people don't know about the gil wipe. For example there was an exploit that could complete the entire story line instantly. Gil farmers took advantage of this and several other exploits to inject the incredibly high amount of gil that was in the servers. Unfortunately you had a high amount of gil (just like myself). So we were effected by having our accounts temporarily suspended for investigations. However, I don't believe you were suspended for 7 days; seeing as that the announcement was a 72 hour ban on all accounts that were going through the RMT investigation.

Just this - I mentioned this in the last QQ thread.

No one paid any attention, their "woe is me" attitude was far more important. 

  TangentPoint

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Joined: 2/12/12
Posts: 1095

The "Real Game" begins at character creation.

10/11/13 7:25:10 AM#24
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by free2play

Phry is correct. I'd say it's still on Square Enix. I guess we are supposed to barricade ourselves in and never use the Market board.

 

I sell 5 K shards, I can't control who buys those shards. I said it on their forums too and got a 10 day ban. They need to go back to making single player games because they don't know their ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to MMO games.

If you are a shop owner, and someone buys from your shop using counterfeit currency, and when you try to bank that currency, the bank discovers the 'fake' currency, they remove it from circulation, you take a loss. Does that mean its the fault of the Bank that your now out of pocket, or the fault of the person who used the counterfeit currency to buy from you?
 The ones to blame are the ones from who this counterfeit currency originated, the victims are the ones caught up in the passage of the 'counterfeit' currency. This is why RMT trading has to be stepped on, and hard.

The problem is that they didn't really do very much investigation, because they just reduced everyone's gil by the same amount (the whole dividing by 100 thing). That's not indicative of a company going through transactions and tracing the origin of the gil used, only removing the gil that was ill-obtained. That's a company using a "scorched earth" approach to the problem, based on an arbitrary basis of "how much gil they think someone should have".

If they had really done research, and traced the gil of each transaction, then everyone should not have conveniently had their gil reduced by the same factor. Their "research" much more likely involved seeing if the player themselves were involved in buying directly from gil sellers, which would warrant a permanent ban. If that wasn't the case, they may have looked for some known RMT names in there, or traced the gil to known RMT'ers.  I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't even do that much, but rather just said, "Okay, they can be un-banned, but reduce their gil to 1/100th."

That is not a well thought out or executed plan. That's a scorched earth approach. They used a sledgehammer instead of a scalpel.

It's amazing to sit here and watch how people are going so far out of their way to paint SE innocent in this whole thing, as though "they did all they could". Looking at the facts of it objectively (not through a filter of trying to "defend SE and FFXIV"), it's quite easy to see there are much more in-depth ways they could have looked at the situation.

These kind of blanket decisions are not new to them. Was anyone here around for the first server merges in FFXI, and remember how horribly SE handled name conflicts? That was another example of them using a "scorched earth" approach to a problem, rather than a carefully thought out and executed one.

My philosophy on MMORPGs:

Leveling is what happens while you're playing the rest of the game.

Don't worry about levels. Just play.

  EvolvedMonky

Novice Member

Joined: 8/25/08
Posts: 562

10/11/13 8:32:24 AM#25
Originally posted by free2play
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by free2play

Phry is correct. I'd say it's still on Square Enix. I guess we are supposed to barricade ourselves in and never use the Market board.

 

I sell 5 K shards, I can't control who buys those shards. I said it on their forums too and got a 10 day ban. They need to go back to making single player games because they don't know their ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to MMO games.

If you are a shop owner, and someone buys from your shop using counterfeit currency, and when you try to bank that currency, the bank discovers the 'fake' currency, they remove it from circulation, you take a loss. Does that mean its the fault of the Bank that your now out of pocket, or the fault of the person who used the counterfeit currency to buy from you?
 The ones to blame are the ones from who this counterfeit currency originated, the victims are the ones caught up in the passage of the 'counterfeit' currency. This is why RMT trading has to be stepped on, and hard.

That's some pretty broken logic and you know it.

Square needs a better way to regulate RMT damage. Throwing players under the bus every time an RMT account is found won't be healthy for the game.

How so??? No one talks about it in game. Hell most werent even aware of it even though SE put an announcement of it at login.  The majority who are on the fence with this game are focused on the upcoming patch/update. No one cares about this.

And like someone pointed out its was a 72 hour ban, Trusting some random person without any evidence other than rumors and hearsay is real broken logic and I hope you know it.

  Alamareth

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/03/06
Posts: 591

10/11/13 9:02:22 AM#26
Originally posted by EvolvedMonky
Originally posted by free2play
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by free2play

Phry is correct. I'd say it's still on Square Enix. I guess we are supposed to barricade ourselves in and never use the Market board.

 

I sell 5 K shards, I can't control who buys those shards. I said it on their forums too and got a 10 day ban. They need to go back to making single player games because they don't know their ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to MMO games.

If you are a shop owner, and someone buys from your shop using counterfeit currency, and when you try to bank that currency, the bank discovers the 'fake' currency, they remove it from circulation, you take a loss. Does that mean its the fault of the Bank that your now out of pocket, or the fault of the person who used the counterfeit currency to buy from you?
 The ones to blame are the ones from who this counterfeit currency originated, the victims are the ones caught up in the passage of the 'counterfeit' currency. This is why RMT trading has to be stepped on, and hard.

That's some pretty broken logic and you know it.

Square needs a better way to regulate RMT damage. Throwing players under the bus every time an RMT account is found won't be healthy for the game.

How so??? No one talks about it in game. Hell most werent even aware of it even though SE put an announcement of it at login.  The majority who are on the fence with this game are focused on the upcoming patch/update. No one cares about this.

And like someone pointed out its was a 72 hour ban, Trusting some random person without any evidence other than rumors and hearsay is real broken logic and I hope you know it.

Pretty much this - no one cares.

I'll be rolling into Crystal Tower with my ilevel 90 gear anyway.  Have fun with that Vanya.

Oh yeah, keep ignoring the obvious fact that there were huge gil fountain exploits.  Or that non-legacy servers were more rich than legacy servers.  Or the MULTITUDE of other issues that contributed to the bans/gil removal.

Do keep complaining though, that'll surely get you somewhere!

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