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  SBFord

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OP  10/08/13 7:25:31 PM#1

Gold sellers are the bane of many a game's existence. Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn is not exempt either. But in our latest FFXIV column, we take a look at the proactive steps that Square Enix is taking in that regard. Check it out and then leave your reactions in the comments.

367,700,000,000. That is a big number. No it is not the US budget deficit. This is the amount of Gil that was removed from the mean streets of Eorzea in one of the largest coordinated stings ever launched by the SEPD. (Square Enix Police Department). 

Read more of Rob Lashley's Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn - Money, It’s a Drag.

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  FlyinDutchman87

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10/09/13 10:23:01 AM#2

..... That's a tough one.

 

On one hand It's like the RL where if you buy a stolen car and don't know it your SOL.

 

On the other hand if your a high level crafter and spend 10,000 gil making a +5 sword of Winboat, you sell it for 50,000 only to find out the money was bought. Then your really screwed. Not only do you lose the item(because it's on a banned acount now) you also lose your inital investment. It's not like RL where you can check the title. It's all just bits.......

I don't know. It' would be an interesing debate.

  Foomerang

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10/09/13 10:50:10 AM#3

I think it sent a clear message to both gil sellers and buyers. I have already seen an improvement on my server. Less spammers and more stable market prices are two things Ive noticed this week. I hope it continues to get better because the game's economy is quite provocative.

If you thought the events were dynamic, you'll think the stories are living.

  JeroKane

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10/09/13 11:19:01 AM#4

On my server (US Balmung) the amount of spam lately has already significantly diminished.

So I definetely see improvements.

And Yeah. It sucks they took RMT gil away from innocent People that did not know.

But in the end, however it sucks for the innocent caught in the middle, it's for the best of the game and it's future!

It's a tough decision, but if they left the gil in the game in the hands of the innocent, it would hurt the economy in the long run with artificially inflated prices due to RMT.

And really, the game is only short of 2 months old since re-launch. So plenty time Ahead to make Money again. Especially as Level 50 crafter.

  thinktank001

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10/09/13 11:34:43 AM#5

I don't like that even the innocent players are losing gil, but I think it is probably the correct decision.   It defeats the purpose to just ban the RMT accounts and let the gil stay in the economy.  

 

It makes perfect sense that they have to withhold content that is primarily a gil sink.  If they were planning to add it with gil costs in the hundreds and everyone is running around with a million gil it is essentially pointless.

  Foomerang

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10/09/13 11:39:26 AM#6


Originally posted by thinktank001
It makes perfect sense that they have to withhold content that is primarily a gil sink.  If they were planning to add it with gil costs in the hundreds and everyone is running around with a million gil it is essentially pointless.

Add the fact that housing in the next patch is supposed to be "expensive". That would've been completely trivialized with 367 billion surplus gil floating around heh.

If you thought the events were dynamic, you'll think the stories are living.

  Rhime

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10/09/13 11:45:46 AM#7

All gold farmers must die!

I know it sounds simple, but when these assholes interfere with the game's communication mechanics and cause paying customers to be distracted and annoyed during game sessions, they deserve the worst. And, don't argue the fact they need jobs and all that bullshit because they can find other rl options to make money.

SE, keep handing out the harsh penalties and do something about making it easier for us to help you rid your game of these clowns.

  tommygunzII

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10/09/13 12:06:37 PM#8

Past couple days have been much better, players and SE are doing their part. I might get a tell once every two hours at minimum from RMT but it has significantly improved. 

 

Make sure to report the person along with blacklisting and we will win.

  keenber

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10/09/13 12:16:11 PM#9

a nice little macro to blaclists spammers that send tells.

/blist add <r>

it help a lot but it does suck when guys that spent hours crafting to lose out because they sold there stuf to a guy that bought gold. This is a wrong sulotion.

  Foomerang

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A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still

10/09/13 12:20:42 PM#10


Originally posted by keenber
a nice little macro to blaclists spammers that send tells.

/blist add <r>

it help a lot but it does suck when guys that spent hours crafting to lose out because they sold there stuf to a guy that bought gold. This is a wrong sulotion.



Crafter wouldn't have lost all that RMT gil if he would've put his item up at a reasonable price anyway.

Some dude in Hawkers was whining about that two nights ago. Yet he admitted to selling lvl 50 rings for upwards of 1.3 mil each. Greed comes around in many ways.

If you thought the events were dynamic, you'll think the stories are living.

  bentrim

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10/09/13 12:21:16 PM#11
HONESTLY!!!! People W H Y do you need gil. Unless you craft there is virtually NO NEED for much gil at all (one of the many reasons I quit the game). Everything you need can be obtained by a few dungeon runs. Then you can have what EVERYONE ELSE HAS and look JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE! A VERY socialistic and PC game....*GAG*
  Phry

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10/09/13 12:24:49 PM#12

It is very encouraging that SE are being so proactive on the whole RMT issue, that both parties are punished, buyers and sellers is imo, wholly justified. It is a shame people get caught up in the middle, but it should in the end result in a 'readjustment' of market prices, to a more reasonable level, and if a few people lose a few thousand gil due to them selling stuff for 50,000 when it only cost them 5k to make it, then, hey, thats how the cookie crumbles, and with that kind of profit margin a single sale pays for at least 8 failed ones, and still makes profit :D

though far be it from me to suggest that people might be over pricing themselves into that situation in the first place!

  GeezerGamer

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10/09/13 12:27:04 PM#13
Originally posted by keenber

a nice little macro to blaclists spammers that send tells.

/blist add <r>

it help a lot but it does suck when guys that spent hours crafting to lose out because they sold there stuf to a guy that bought gold. This is a wrong sulotion.

It's not a perfect solution but it is also not the wrong solution either. It's not 100% accurate, But it is the best solution. 

It's no different that real life. counterfeit money, when it's discovered,  is removed from circulation. Unfortunately, it means that if the person who was trying to spend it, obtained it through other legitimate transactions, they still lose. It is not reimbursed.

I feel that the state of the genre is such that a total and complete failure is needed so it can be reborn anew.
I'm actually hoping this new generation of 8 button MMOs will make that happen.

  Nadia

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10/09/13 12:33:12 PM#14
Originally posted by Foomerang

I think it sent a clear message to both gil sellers and buyers. I have already seen an improvement on my server. Less spammers and more stable market prices are two things Ive noticed this week. I hope it continues to get better because the game's economy is quite provocative.

it's a clear message but I don't agree with penalizing players selling items to other players

 

how is a player supposed to know they are selling an item to someone w "tainted" coin ?

  keenber

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10/09/13 12:36:18 PM#15

i am a crafter on my server and for me to make high level gear i either have to spend hours leveling up all crafteing and gathering classes or i have to buy mats from the auction house. High level mats cost about 3 to 5k per so for me to make most stuff and i was to buy it it would cost about 20 or 30 k to make . So i put it on the auction house for 50k to try make some profit so i can level up my profesion and i get gil taken of me for so called greed. That is wrong but if i put it on for 1 million and it sold then yeah that is stupid and they deserve to get in trouble.

 

  Kaynos1972

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10/09/13 12:44:08 PM#16
I salute them for a brilliant effort. However PLEASE add an ignore report button to the game. I quit the game just before the end of the my free month because of gold spammers everywhere. No where you could go without having the chat channel littered with them, adding one to your blacklist only to have a new one pop a few seconds later. I might log back again soon to see the improvement.
  Drakynn

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10/09/13 12:47:15 PM#17
Originally posted by Foomerang

 


Originally posted by keenber
a nice little macro to blaclists spammers that send tells.

 

/blist add

it help a lot but it does suck when guys that spent hours crafting to lose out because they sold there stuf to a guy that bought gold. This is a wrong sulotion.



Crafter wouldn't have lost all that RMT gil if he would've put his item up at a reasonable price anyway.

 

Some dude in Hawkers was whining about that two nights ago. Yet he admitted to selling lvl 50 rings for upwards of 1.3 mil each. Greed comes around in many ways.

Free market...a reasonable price is what people are willing to pay for it.It's nor the crafter's fault they did or used RMT bought money to do so.That argument is very flawed.

But I agree doing what they did is still better than doing nothing even if a few innocents get inconvenienced a long the way,but those that are have every right to complain.

I really only read this thread because of the Pink Floyd reference int he title though 8P.

  Hyanmen

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10/09/13 12:52:48 PM#18
Originally posted by Nadia

it's a clear message but I don't agree with penalizing players selling items to other players

how is a player supposed to know they are selling an item to someone w "tainted" coin ?

Eh, it's quite easy. You are accepting a payment that is grossly overinflated in the current economy vs. the effort. No legit player would throw his money away like that if he had gotten rich using legit means.

In this stage of the game it's quite obvious to see who the gil buyers are.

 

FF:ARR FATE grinding: People not having fun by doing something not actually intended to get to a point that doesn't really matter as fast as possible. Just so they can do the same thing over and over again to gain a piece of virtual loot.

  JeroKane

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10/09/13 12:53:21 PM#19
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Foomerang

I think it sent a clear message to both gil sellers and buyers. I have already seen an improvement on my server. Less spammers and more stable market prices are two things Ive noticed this week. I hope it continues to get better because the game's economy is quite provocative.

it's a clear message but I don't agree with penalizing players selling items to other players

 

how is a player supposed to know they are selling an item to someone w "tainted" coin ?

If you try to sell items at obsene prices, you darn well know where it's coming from. Sorry.

  Foomerang

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A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still

10/09/13 1:00:40 PM#20


Originally posted by Drakynn

Originally posted by Foomerang  

Originally posted by keenber a nice little macro to blaclists spammers that send tells.   /blist add it help a lot but it does suck when guys that spent hours crafting to lose out because they sold there stuf to a guy that bought gold. This is a wrong sulotion.
Crafter wouldn't have lost all that RMT gil if he would've put his item up at a reasonable price anyway.   Some dude in Hawkers was whining about that two nights ago. Yet he admitted to selling lvl 50 rings for upwards of 1.3 mil each. Greed comes around in many ways.
Free market...a reasonable price is what people are willing to pay for it.It's nor the crafter's fault they did or used RMT bought money to do so.That argument is very flawed.

But I agree doing what they did is still better than doing nothing even if a few innocents get inconvenienced a long the way,but those that are have every right to complain.

I really only read this thread because of the Pink Floyd reference int he title though 8P.



The game is barely a month old. It is a known issue that gil fountains are scarce. Its a known issue that gol sellers were using a duping exploit. You put something up for a million+ gil, your'e selling exclusively to people who RMT'd their money. If this game was a year or more out, it would be less cut and dry. But 367 billion gil from a month old game with more gil sinks than fountains? And you put it up for prices that only a gil buyer could afford? Sorry but thats the risk you took and it didnt pay off in the end.


If you thought the events were dynamic, you'll think the stories are living.

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