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  SBFord

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OP  10/06/13 6:37:29 PM#1

Sex in MMOs is always a "hot" topic. In our latest Devil's Advocate, we tackle the subject with some interesting thoughts. See what we think before heading to the comments to add your own.

In my mind, sex as a sort of gameplay mechanic does not exactly make sense in the MMO world, not simply because of how it would play out, but because how would you reward such conduct in a game?

It may POSSIBLY work if you’re some kind of anime tentacle monster and your sworn racial enemies are scantily clad women who don’t know how to wear metal plated armor to cover their privates, but looks silly if you force people to engage in sex to level up or otherwise win a skirmish.

Read more of Victor Barreiro Jr.'s The Devil's Advocate: Sex & MMOs Part 1.

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  3-4thElf

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10/07/13 8:18:56 AM#2

So the advocating here is.. Here's some lyrics and thoughts; with a moral conclusion.

I began playing MMOs with one goal in mind as an 18 year old EQ rogue. To stab things from behind. Well quite literally to help kill things and what have you.

My peers found girlfriends, and we built guilds around fake royal relationships. Some turned real and others turned into awkward /tells in guild chat.

Game companies don't have a lot of options for stabs from behind for points of damage anymore.

Like any form of fiction, sex is there. Is there a comfortable conservitive way to approach it in games? Nope.

So why try that approach?

a yo ho ho

  Antiquated

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10/07/13 8:32:08 AM#3
bloodninja: Oh yeah, aight. Aight, I put on my robe and wizard hat.
  trancefate

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10/07/13 8:54:33 AM#4
WTB LSLO! (Leisure Suit Larry Online)
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10/07/13 8:56:15 AM#5
No mention of Leisure Suit Larry?
  Sovrath

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10/07/13 9:11:02 AM#6
Originally posted by mCalvert
No mention of Leisure Suit Larry?

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. However, Leisure Suit Larry (as far as I know) is not a multiplayer game.

I think that having sexual themes in a game could work incredibly well as story elements. Heck, Witcher 2 had sexuality. It wasn't really a gameplay element per se but it was there.

Having it as a gameplay element in a multi-player game is not my sort of thing but I suppose it could be done. The question is "how well can it be done?".

Now someone invariably will say "they are just pixels and pixels can't be sexy" and then I'll have to say "erotica has been used in media well before the camera was  even invented.

 

  warriorpoet7

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10/07/13 9:12:55 AM#7
Amusing that the slaying of countless human NPCs is just fine and dandy but the moment sex comes into the picture ... AHHHHH burn it. :)
  DamonVile

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10/07/13 9:48:27 AM#8

When it comes to sex this site has some of the most uptight people working for it on the internet. In the last year you guys have done far too many bits on sex in mmos and each one has always had the same tone....sex is dirty and something people shouldn't talk about openly.

I'm glad to see the younger generation hasn't been beat over the head with this dark age idea, and you can often see them confused by the idea that looking at...whatever gender you find attractive is wrong in some way.

MMOs are about human interests, sex is a big part of that and will always remain a big part of many of them.

People are like cats. When they die, you get a new one.

  Hariken

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10/07/13 10:07:35 AM#9
Originally posted by warriorpoet7
Amusing that the slaying of countless human NPCs is just fine and dandy but the moment sex comes into the picture ... AHHHHH burn it. :)

Welcome to messed up country of the u.s. Blood and guts are fine for our kids but show a boob and its burn in hell time. Its tiring and stupid. People are all angry of pixels on a screen and we have to always debate about it.

  VoreDock

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Posts: 111

10/07/13 10:08:07 AM#10

I don't think sex in a MMO can work  yes sex has a place but it has to be in with the story  to work.

Second Life has sex but SL is not a True MMO in SL it's Role Play and you can find anything in SL

 
  Nadia

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Joined: 7/26/03
Posts: 11298

10/07/13 10:11:52 AM#11

AOC announced sex being a buff but it never panned out

http://n4g.com/news/62704/age-of-conan-a-buff-from-sex#c-402919

  maxima29

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Posts: 241

10/07/13 10:12:32 AM#12
Nothing wrong with running around age of Conan with your enlarged boob potion swinging your axe or having a relationship with a companion in swtor. But unfortunately some are not mature enough or understand the topic like a recent poster on here hating on swtor comparing how he does not get enough free from swtor and the pain and trouble it causes his is like a rape victim. Now that's crossing the line and somehow this site has yet to take that post down.
  Torvaldr

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10/07/13 10:18:47 AM#13

I agree with you Victor. I don't see you getting a lot of support here as objectification is usually rationalized with the "maturity" and/or "violence" trope as seen in posts above.

Keep on with the good fight. I applaud your courage.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  victorbjr

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10/07/13 10:31:31 AM#14
Originally posted by 3-4thElf

So the advocating here is.. Here's some lyrics and thoughts; with a moral conclusion.

I began playing MMOs with one goal in mind as an 18 year old EQ rogue. To stab things from behind. Well quite literally to help kill things and what have you.

My peers found girlfriends, and we built guilds around fake royal relationships. Some turned real and others turned into awkward /tells in guild chat.

Game companies don't have a lot of options for stabs from behind for points of damage anymore.

Like any form of fiction, sex is there. Is there a comfortable conservitive way to approach it in games? Nope.

So why try that approach?

There's no sex in my copy of Green Eggs and Ham. :)

 

But I do understand what you're saying. 

 

Sex is a myriad of things, and being too conservative would put a damper on discussion, I agree.

 

Trying to factor in sex on a story-based, multiplayer online game where people of different cultures and sensibilities are trying to eke out a virtual living though? From a storyline, mechanical (animation) and gameplay (stats, abilities, and numbers), and itemization standpoint, it's hard for me to say "Go forth and multiply" in this case.

A writer and gamer from the Philippines. Loves his mom dearly. :)

Can also be found on http://www.gamesandgeekery.com

  victorbjr

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10/07/13 10:32:23 AM#15
Originally posted by maxima29
Nothing wrong with running around age of Conan with your enlarged boob potion swinging your axe or having a relationship with a companion in swtor. But unfortunately some are not mature enough or understand the topic like a recent poster on here hating on swtor comparing how he does not get enough free from swtor and the pain and trouble it causes his is like a rape victim. Now that's crossing the line and somehow this site has yet to take that post down.
 

There's a post of that sort here? was it reported? :(

A writer and gamer from the Philippines. Loves his mom dearly. :)

Can also be found on http://www.gamesandgeekery.com

  Gruug

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The more you know, the more you know you don't know.

10/07/13 10:34:46 AM#16

I have no problem with "tasteful" sexual content in any game EXCEPT in MMO's. Why? Because at this point in time there are far too many "little boys" and "little girls" that may be playing them at any given point. And, there are to many "dirty old men (maybe women)" that play as OPPOSITE gender. That makes for a mix which if you add the sexual component just does not bode well. I say that a GOOD MMO does not need sexual content at all and should avoid it for the reason I suggest above.

Look at it another way, if some old fart makes an in-game  pass at little Jonny in a game, how long will it be before politicians think they need to get involved and start really mucking up OUR games.

Let's party like it is 1863!

  victorbjr

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10/07/13 10:36:02 AM#17
Originally posted by DamonVile

When it comes to sex this site has some of the most uptight people working for it on the internet. In the last year you guys have done far too many bits on sex in mmos and each one has always had the same tone....sex is dirty and something people shouldn't talk about openly.

I'm glad to see the younger generation hasn't been beat over the head with this dark age idea, and you can often see them confused by the idea that looking at...whatever gender you find attractive is wrong in some way.

MMOs are about human interests, sex is a big part of that and will always remain a big part of many of them.

 

I'm talking about sex openly and I'm not saying it's dirty.

 

What I'm saying is that it's difficult to make a sex-based or overtly sexual viable on a multitude of levels: not simply as a game, but also as something worth marketing to cultures that do not share the same openness towards sex. 

 

That said, if you have a good game, you shouldn't have to need sexual representations to make it worth playing., right? 

A writer and gamer from the Philippines. Loves his mom dearly. :)

Can also be found on http://www.gamesandgeekery.com

  Thanosxp

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Joined: 3/02/05
Posts: 172

10/07/13 10:49:30 AM#18
Originally posted by victorbjr
Originally posted by DamonVile

When it comes to sex this site has some of the most uptight people working for it on the internet. In the last year you guys have done far too many bits on sex in mmos and each one has always had the same tone....sex is dirty and something people shouldn't talk about openly.

I'm glad to see the younger generation hasn't been beat over the head with this dark age idea, and you can often see them confused by the idea that looking at...whatever gender you find attractive is wrong in some way.

MMOs are about human interests, sex is a big part of that and will always remain a big part of many of them.

 

I'm talking about sex openly and I'm not saying it's dirty.

 

What I'm saying is that it's difficult to make a sex-based or overtly sexual viable on a multitude of levels: not simply as a game, but also as something worth marketing to cultures that do not share the same openness towards sex. 

 

That said, if you have a good game, you shouldn't have to need sexual representations to make it worth playing., right? 

Can't the same be said about violence? Now, removing violence, how many mainstream mmo do we get?

Let's not resort to the strawman here either: Is WoW violence-based? The real problem is that any sexualization is seen as something that makes the game sex-based. If you have a good game and introduce a sexualization in any level, does it become a bad game too?

  Foomerang

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10/07/13 10:54:41 AM#19


Originally posted by Hariken

Originally posted by warriorpoet7 Amusing that the slaying of countless human NPCs is just fine and dandy but the moment sex comes into the picture ... AHHHHH burn it. :)
Welcome to messed up country of the u.s. Blood and guts are fine for our kids but show a boob and its burn in hell time. Its tiring and stupid. People are all angry of pixels on a screen and we have to always debate about it.


Those are two different contexts.

It doesn't have to do with nudity. It doesn't have to do with blood and guts. Its not about censorship or double standards. We need to realize there are two separate things going on here when we talk about violence in video games and sex in video games.

Violence in mmos is almost always justified withing the context of the lore. You are constantly being told that the mass murdering you are committing is a good thing, a necessity, your duty etc. You are saving the world one kill at a time.

Sex in mmos, or rather the objectification of women is more than a boob. Its taking a female figure, and presenting her in a way that triggers a sexual desire. Its detracting from the human aspect of a woman and replacing it with an objectified fantasy version. The context is sex. Nothing more or less. Nothing is justified here except for reinforcing the fact that this woman is hot, shes a seductive sexual being and therefore must be killed or fucked. You could do that to a male villain and it would be just as oppressive.

We accept these things as "this is how it is". Sex sells because sex sells, right? Why does sex sell? Because we love sex. Why do we love sex so much? Because its on our dna to want to procreate. SO does that make it ok to be sold to us?

Look, people will agree that rape, hate crimes, violence, all things against all genders occurs on a regular basis in our society. Do you think thats ok? Im not asking if you think its unavoidable or not or why it exists. Do you think its ok that this happens?

Where does these societal norms come from? Do you really think we are born with it? Is it possible that the world we live in has accepted rules of how people behave and what is expected of them in our society?

Think about this stuff. Its good to question why things are the way they are. And how hard it is to change that environment or even want to.

I may not be writing these things very well. If any of this is striking a chord with you, I highly recommend reading The Will to Change by bell hooks.

Take care :)

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  Dauzqul

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10/07/13 11:00:25 AM#20
this, unfortunately, is going to be key for many potential Oculus Rift buyers.
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