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Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn

Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn 

General Discussion  » @ MMO Vets... plain and simple... its a damn good game.

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  Pratt2112

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10/06/13 11:14:30 AM#41
Originally posted by tristanryan
Originally posted by TangentPoint
Originally posted by tristanryan

I think maybe some need to upgrade their systems.. or update software... or change ISP.

 

I get zero delay. Its not that i don't notice a 300ms delay either. There isn't any. As said in the OP, its tight and responsive. Im referring to open world and dungeon play, as well as in a crowded city with players all over the place. Im not doubting people get performance issues, im just stating its definitely not this way for everyone.

You are getting a 300ms delay. Everyone is. SE/Yoshi-P has stated, quite plainly, that it's there.

Don't confuse "I'm not noticing it" with "it isn't there".

It's one thing to contradict the claims of other players. But when you're contradicting the words of the Game's Director/Producer themself... Well, you start to look rather silly.

 

I have zero delay.. Melee or spellcasting. I do queue skills, maybe thats why i have no delay. And also can you provide a link with Yoshi saying no matter the player, operating system, ISP, or PC specs every player will have a delay? Please link.

Okay, so you're determined to look silly. I'll keep that in mind when reading your future posts.

Your attempt to pre-emptively move the goal-post is both extremely obvious (listing a bunch of specific criteria to "convince" you), and pointless. The issue is happening at SE's end, so none of those things you're listing would make a difference anyway. They'd exacerbate the situation, but they wouldn't create it.

Your "demands" succeed only in demonstrating your ignorance of the situation, and your obstinance in refusing to accept that you're mistaken.

You say i look silly? You are trying to tell me how my game performs from my living room. Im telling you my experience and you are coming behind me and saying no no, this is not your experience you look silly.... And you think Im the one that looks silly? lol

Yes, I'm saying you look rather silly by insisting a delay that has been officially acknowledged as being present by the Producer/Director themself somehow isn't there for you. I'm suggesting that you may not notice it, which is fine. However, "not noticing it" does not mean "it's not there".

Zero delay, and link please if you have the time.

As you wish.

From this post.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/1j9pbd/yoship_responds_to_lack_of_responsiveness/

Thing of interest - "Being an online game, there will always be a minimal delay when input is received from the player and sent back after being processed by the server. In FFXIV: ARR, your position is checked by the server once every 0.3 seconds. This timing is synced and processed according to the servers to prevent lag between your input and what you see."

So, there is a .3 second delay between the server and the client designed into the game.

Ergo, you - like everyone - are experience an at least .3 second delay when you are playing. It's intended to offset any delays in the connection, but it can also *cause* delay where none might otherwise exist.

As I said before, whether or not you "notice" it in your living room, or anywhere else, regardless of your hardware, is irrelevant. It's there.

 

"Devs need to stop trying to make MMOs for people who don't like MMOs" - thevampirelematt/Reddit

  Mr.Kujo

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“Discussion is impossible with someone who claims not to seek the truth, but already to possess it.”

10/06/13 11:17:45 AM#42
Originally posted by tristanryan

I think maybe some need to upgrade their systems.. or update software... or change ISP.


And 2nd, on the exact same note. The graphics are *stunning*. There is nothing about these graphics that feel "low pixel" or second rate. If i can stand in a field while in a forest, and see individual swaying of foliage moving with the wind, at the exact same time the trees are alive as well, with godrays of sunshine coming down upon it all and you say this is "average for the typical mmo"......

Lol come on guys. Give me a specific game and we will debate...

Just a note, if something is working fine on your PC it doesn't mean it will work on all possible PC component combinations, worse or better than yours. You can't blame other people connections and PCs if something is not working for them, only because it is not happening to you. Games tend to work differently on different rigs and it is developers job to eliminate incompatibility issues and bugs.

I will give you specific example about the graphics, I am saying that graphics are technically the same as in any other recent game, so the difference comes down to execution, which is completely subjective thing.

I personally don't like the absence of metal or any other material types in the game, every character looks like it is made out of playdoh on every game settings. Skin, clothing, metal are all matte.

http://cdn2.dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/FFXIV_ARR_Screenshot-17.jpg

http://www.gamingdragons.com/images/game_img/screenshots/ffreborn/jskmewdrhnw83y465%20%283%29.jpg

I know it is not technical limitation, just weird choice in design. The effect is even more intensified because environment tries to be as realistic as possible, yet characters are stylized to plastic and look out of place. It probably doesn't bother you, and you probably didn't noticed, yet it annoyed the hell out of me, so like I said...personal taste, but saying "graphics are incredible" is highly subjective.

  remyburke

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I liked MMOs better when gamers didn't play them, and just geeks did.

10/06/13 11:19:06 AM#43
Yep.

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  tristanryan

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OP  10/06/13 11:36:15 AM#44

I followed up my post with actual links to that conversation (that you chose to ignore). Pulling a few paragraphs and posting them to reddit without the full conversation is hardly proof lol. The original post, is in the links i provided btw.

 

Also, those posts are months old, with the actual fixes being discussed by the producer in the very post. The "delay" you are referring to is commonplace in all MMO games. We are talking .1 to .3 seconds here. Given this, with how SE designed certain boss fights and AoE it caused issues. If you actually read the link you posted, or the ones i posted before that, certain fixes have already been implemented with more on the way.

Im sure there will be responses saying "blah blah this is only FFXIV" and to that i say every single MMO on the planet communicates with their respective data server.

 

My feeling is that a lot of us are just plain jaded and have come to a point to where we will literally look for anything we can complain about.

 

I enjoy the game and advise others to give it a try!

  Cymdai

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It's my job to be objective, it's my right to have an opinion.

10/06/13 11:56:05 AM#45

I would say FFXIV is a good game. It's technically responsive, it's balanced, it's got a decent musical score, etc.

I would also say that it's a short game that lacks foresight, innovation, an end-game, and a fun-factor once you complete it.

I think the title is inaccurate because if you're an MMO vet, you'll get hit with the "Been there, done that" feeling very early on. However, for MMO amateurs and first-timers, this would be a great investment.

Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...

  azzamasin

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We live in a fantasy world, a world of illusion. The great task in life is to find reality.

10/06/13 12:05:30 PM#46
I beg to differ.  If I wanted to play a game that was similar I'd go back to WoW.  I only played the game during beta and I felt all of it's systems were inferior.  The worst was speed of combat, very underwhelming for me.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  drivendawn

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10/06/13 12:14:52 PM#47
Originally posted by Cymdai

I would say FFXIV is a good game. It's technically responsive, it's balanced, it's got a decent musical score, etc.

I would also say that it's a short game that lacks foresight, innovation, an end-game, and a fun-factor once you complete it.

I think the title is inaccurate because if you're an MMO vet, you'll get hit with the "Been there, done that" feeling very early on. However, for MMO amateurs and first-timers, this would be a great investment.

MMO vet  here since Ashrons Call enjoying the game as well as my whole free company who are MMO vets as well but at least you said I think.

  Karnage69

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"Those who fight and run away live to fight another day."

10/06/13 12:15:41 PM#48
I agree with the OP with nearly everything he states, he does however, forget the part where it's unbelievably boring. I personally couldn't stay awake long enough to make any real dent in the game. I made it to level 12 or something before I just couldn't take it anymore.
  Aori

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10/06/13 1:52:06 PM#49

So far I've been enjoying my game life in sub 50 content. I'm tired of the get to the end and run the treadmill type of game, while the FFXIV has that as well, there is plenty to mess with before that is all there is. By time i'm done with leveling all combat/craft/gather classes, 2.1 should be here or near.

  Himshim

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"For I am a Blood Angel , yet I suffer from the Red Derp."

10/06/13 2:07:42 PM#50
Originally posted by tristanryan

If you haven't tried it yet and are on the fence, you should definitely try it. Its only 30.00$ USD.

Mini review incoming;

 

 

Pros;

-Amazing graphics for a MMO. I play on a PC, i cant comment on PS3. The foliage. The fauna. Water and ripple effects. Night skies. Cities. Armors. Weapons and spell effects. The godrays of sunshine. Day/night cycles. Your robe blowing in the wind. The sparks flying off of ore when mining, splinters off trees... etc etc. Spell effects are quite impressive.  Its polished, immersive... and... its optimized.

-Music. Its immersive, and fitting. Its not constant, but there when needed. Its pretty clear they put effort into it. The different lands have different tunes and i like it. Its one of the few games i wont turn the sound off after a couple of hours to play my own, which is rare. I like it.

-Controls are tight and responsive. This is one of the things that i really like. I don't get any lag or delay.. ever. Its akin to WoW. When i jump my character jumps. Not .006 seconds later, its now. When i cast, my cast bar is up, right away. Melee is also just as responsive in dungeons or open world, even while neat effects are going on, there isn't that millisecond delay I have become accustomed to with so many recent games.

-The GCD. Its 2-2.5 seconds. At first you might feel this is a detriment and amateur like i did, but it isn't. It makes the game feel more old school. Your brain has time to process what you are doing and what you want to do. You aren't just spamming buttons because you can. You make use of every GCD and if you don't you can feel it, and it shows as well.

-The Crafting. Just... wow. I'm still wrapping my head around it. If you include gathering (i do) its not just an afterthought. It adds another game within the game. Its not quick and its not brain dead easy. Any one who says it is already gave up and doesn't understand the underlying mechanics and how everything fits together. To give an example, I have met more than one player thats a crafter, and crafter alone. Some people seem to have zero interest in the combat side of the game, quite a few actually.

-Defined Roles with developer pre determined approved cross class skills. This is another thing i really enjoy. I like working on another class (on the same character) to see just how well "that skill" would work for my playstyle.

-Population. There are *a lot* of people playing and enjoying the game. I like this. Im tired of dead worlds after the first 2-4 weeks.

-Pre determined rulesets. You can't just mail your alt gil. You can't just mail your alt items and armor. I was told they did this because of RMT. I despised it at first with the impression of "wow, what a misplaced oversight". But after a bit, it adds more value and commitment to my character.. which strangely is appealing to me. Of course you can have multiple accounts, or if you are a high rank in your FC you can add items to the vault and remove on another character, but... the barrier is definitely felt, imo.

-Teamwork. Without teamwork and communication in these dungeons you aren't going anywhere. Don't let the 13 year old elitist "mmo vet" sway your judgement. The higher you go, the more fun and involved it gets. At max there is definitely an "elitist" attitude going around, with small groups of hardcore players even *selling* runs for harder content.

-Economy.

-The Market. Its a feeling of accomplishment when you sell something and make a profit. Gil (gold) doesn't fall out of the sky here. Even the gold sellers are a bit more expensive in their advertising than what I have seen in the last several games over the years. I like playing the market and making money. Even purchasing items off of select NPCs and replacing on the market board can yield a profit sometimes... =)

-Cheap purchase and cheap subscription.

-Pet System. Your chocobo can be more than just amount. Highly recommend you read up on this.. And not just that, but with their own form of advancement that the player chooses. As well as upcoming content that includes chocobo breeding etc. There are other mounts as well.

-Upcoming PvP and Player Housing, as well as more end game content. I look forward to all of this stuff.

 

 

Cons;

 

-A growing elitist community at max. This can also be seen as a positive aspect. Even if you don't agree with certain attitudes or playstyles it still makes competitiveness in the community which is absolutely needed in an MMO.

-Possible Confusion. For someone like myself that hasn't played FF games before (correct me if im wrong) you might find the class systems or even crafting commitment daunting or even a turn off at first without further research or reading.

-The Map and layout. This can be confusing at first as well...

-The GCD. This i listed as a Pro. But at first, many will absolutely not agree.

-Apparently low end systems can struggle in certain environments...?

-Gil Sellers. Its so bad you will quickly learn to ignore the chat box completely. Its... pretty obvious these guys are desperate for a sale, even more than usual. These same individuals also seem to be able to "hack" the game and travel underground from point to point to harvest and gather. Why they do this im unsure because someone else tapping the same node you do has no effect on you or yours, but its definitely happening. SE is clearly working on a fix. They seem to take a strong handed ban now and explain later state of mind, which im perfectly ok with.

-Limited customer service.

 

 

 

Conclusion;

Buy it.

 

I really enjoyed FFXIV for the first month. I got 50 PLD, BLM, armorer, mining, and i'm done. The Game just felt too much of a Box. I got my Relic weapons on my PLD and my Magitek mount but that's it. I recommend the game to everyone, but at caution. 

  Rogosh

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10/06/13 2:25:52 PM#51
Not sure what game you are playing OP, this game is boring and very slow.

"Its better to look ugly and win than pretty and lose"

  huskerman34

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10/06/13 3:19:29 PM#52
I guess everybody has there own opinion. Ive played 11 for years and this game by far is really good.  And its fun

Edgar F Greenwood

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10/06/13 6:47:38 PM#53

I also don't understand why you are targeting this at MMO vets? The game is well and truly designed for the post-WoW market, even if combat is old-school slow. Maybe you were specifically targeting older players with slow reaction speed.

This game has none of the depth of older MMOs, as another poster said, the only currently active game for MMO vets is EVE. Sure the older games are still running, but their UIs and performance are well below par these days.

For those of us who prefer fantasy themes, we will probably have to wait for Pathfinder or something for that old school depth.

  Aori

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10/06/13 7:29:50 PM#54
Originally posted by evilastro

I also don't understand why you are targeting this at MMO vets? The game is well and truly designed for the post-WoW market, even if combat is old-school slow. Maybe you were specifically targeting older players with slow reaction speed.

This game has none of the depth of older MMOs, as another poster said, the only currently active game for MMO vets is EVE. Sure the older games are still running, but their UIs and performance are well below par these days.

For those of us who prefer fantasy themes, we will probably have to wait for Pathfinder or something for that old school depth.

Oh please tell me what old mmo's had more depth? They were all pretty damn straight forward. I also love how the game plays, people with slow or no reaction speed will still be a detriment to their group members and themselves.

Also saying EVE is the only game for MMO vets is ridiculous. I don't enjoy EVE and find FFXIV more my cup of tea currently. Granted I'm more PvP oriented, so if the PvP falls thru then I'll inevitably move on.

  Comaf

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10/06/13 7:36:08 PM#55
Originally posted by Tuchaka
Appreciate the review and everything but sounds like pretty standard every MMO i have ever played type description

Pretty much.  I really think they'd be better off just sticking with solo RPGs and perhaps add a multiplayer thing in there.  99% of gamers in all these copy paste games solo to end game anyway.

  Swedish_Chef

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Bort bort bort!

10/06/13 8:06:24 PM#56
Originally posted by Aori
Originally posted by evilastro

I also don't understand why you are targeting this at MMO vets? The game is well and truly designed for the post-WoW market, even if combat is old-school slow. Maybe you were specifically targeting older players with slow reaction speed.

This game has none of the depth of older MMOs, as another poster said, the only currently active game for MMO vets is EVE. Sure the older games are still running, but their UIs and performance are well below par these days.

For those of us who prefer fantasy themes, we will probably have to wait for Pathfinder or something for that old school depth.

Oh please tell me what old mmo's had more depth? They were all pretty damn straight forward. I also love how the game plays, people with slow or no reaction speed will still be a detriment to their group members and themselves.

Also saying EVE is the only game for MMO vets is ridiculous. I don't enjoy EVE and find FFXIV more my cup of tea currently. Granted I'm more PvP oriented, so if the PvP falls thru then I'll inevitably move on.

Draconian death penalties, endless XP grinding, fighting with a horrible chat interface just to see if an NPC has a quest, camping a mob spawn for two weeks to complete said quest, having dungeon boss kills stolen, dying because of someone training mobs onto you, and poor zone design are incredibly deep apparently.

While I may not approve 100% of certain design decisions in modern MMOs, I'm incredibly happy that the above 'features' have gone the way of the dodo. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

 

  Kajidourden

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10/07/13 6:34:16 AM#57
Originally posted by Swedish_Chef
Originally posted by Aori
Originally posted by evilastro

I also don't understand why you are targeting this at MMO vets? The game is well and truly designed for the post-WoW market, even if combat is old-school slow. Maybe you were specifically targeting older players with slow reaction speed.

This game has none of the depth of older MMOs, as another poster said, the only currently active game for MMO vets is EVE. Sure the older games are still running, but their UIs and performance are well below par these days.

For those of us who prefer fantasy themes, we will probably have to wait for Pathfinder or something for that old school depth.

Oh please tell me what old mmo's had more depth? They were all pretty damn straight forward. I also love how the game plays, people with slow or no reaction speed will still be a detriment to their group members and themselves.

Also saying EVE is the only game for MMO vets is ridiculous. I don't enjoy EVE and find FFXIV more my cup of tea currently. Granted I'm more PvP oriented, so if the PvP falls thru then I'll inevitably move on.

Draconian death penalties, endless XP grinding, fighting with a horrible chat interface just to see if an NPC has a quest, camping a mob spawn for two weeks to complete said quest, having dungeon boss kills stolen, dying because of someone training mobs onto you, and poor zone design are incredibly deep apparently.

While I may not approve 100% of certain design decisions in modern MMOs, I'm incredibly happy that the above 'features' have gone the way of the dodo. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

 

^ This.  Gotta love vague retorts.  H'es probably going to respond by saying "I wasn't talking about features i was talking about gameplay elements"  Well then it would help if you actually say something more.

Also, lol @ expecting the depth of games around for 10+ years in a game that's been out less than 1.

  someforumguy

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10/07/13 6:44:18 AM#58

The Yogscast made me realise that I will not play this game. They can be entertaining to watch sometimes if you can accept that they are notoriously bad at games.  This is usually also what entertains me.

In FFAXIV they can chat all the time, troll each other , pay no attention half the time and still finish a dungeon without any problem. This can only be possible because that game's combat must be very slowpaced and easy. Defined holy trinity classes helps with that too ofc. And that silly GCD.

Then there is the questhubs, fetch quests and complexity through obscurity. So no thanks.

It looks nice though. But nice graphics isn't enough to make me want to play a game.

  tom_gore

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10/07/13 6:46:26 AM#59

I found the game pretty plain, yes. And I would consider myself an MMO Vet (since UO in 1998). Too instanced, too traditional tabtarget hotkeycombat, too traditional questing system.

If I wanted to play a WoW-like game I'd just play WoW. Plain and simple.

 

  lafaiel

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10/07/13 7:01:48 AM#60
Definitely a great game, starts out a bit slow but the fights get more and more complicated later on, the crafting is great  and it looks amazing.
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