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  Darknessguy64

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/30/13
Posts: 237

10/02/13 1:58:55 PM#61
The game is designed for "extremely good-looking people"...if you don't like it...what does that tell you?
  vandal5627

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Joined: 12/04/12
Posts: 306

10/02/13 2:06:48 PM#62
Originally posted by Aori
Originally posted by TangentPoint
Originally posted by vandal5627
Originally posted by TangentPoint
 

You can't blame FANs for being defensive.  Look at these forums on this website.  All you see these days are toxic haters.  You want FANs to stop being defensive, tell the haters to stop being so offensive.

When they're treating any criticism of the game exactly the same, no matter how it's presented - by attacking the poster - I absolutely can blame them.

It's a matter of actually reading what people are saying, in proper context and responding on the merits of the post. Being immediately hostile toward someone because of "what others have done" is just dishonest and lazy.

And let's not kid ourselves. I've followed and been in this community going back to Alpha (actually, going back to Alpha of 1.0, but that's irrelevant at this point). There have been people quick to rip anyone with a negative opinion to shreds since day 1.

When most threads start with a line like this "Extremely overrated game that brings nothing new to the genre." They are quick to hate on it. Much like people who are "hating" on FFXIV, who in a sense read the first line and are quick to disprove the game as being good.

If people want to be critical then they can present themselves better. Starting off with where you're coming from is a better way to start than being immediately negative. However if people come to defend their position because this is a forum for such things, then he op or any other "opposition" shouldn't belittle the fans.

There are two people that will defend a game, fans and fire starters.

Thank you, couldnt have said it better.

  Bluewhitehell

Novice Member

Joined: 8/31/13
Posts: 68

10/02/13 2:19:01 PM#63
Originally posted by MrEvilDr

Extremely overrated game that brings nothing new to the genre. I got bored very quickly with it and will not be paying past the first month for this game. If it were to go free to play, it might be something worth trying out. However, I feel as though I've wasted my money by testing this game for a month.

It may be the case that I didn't give the game much of a chance, as I only got to level 15 or so, but I have no intention of trying it any further. The combat feels extremely slow paced and monotonous, especially early in the game. Nothing really grabbed my attention and made me want to progress further. There were far to many run-of-the-mill "Slay X Ladybirds", "Collect X Ladybird Shell" and "Talk to Gary, then talk to Steve, then travel half way across the map to talk to Joseph" quests which completely ruined my experience.

On the upside, the game is aesthetically beautiful and I was thoroughly impressed with the graphics options (There were separate "Laptop" graphics settings separate from "Desktop" settings to help my laptop's performance greatly).

Just to say these are, of course, my personal opinions and I don't mean in any way to offend anyone who enjoys and plays the game. I really want to enjoy it due to all the praise the game has had from IRL friends, but I can't.

My question is, what have I missed that keeps people playing this game? I know I'll definitely need to progress further in the game to appreciate it more, but why should I?

 

Dungeons are fun, and that's pretty much it.

 

Try to play first 3 dungeons, if you still don't like it, then the game isn't for you. 

 

  echolynfan

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/26/10
Posts: 719

I ain't got a gat but I gotta soldering gun

10/02/13 3:13:33 PM#64
Originally posted by TangentPoint
Originally posted by echolynfan

My question to you Op is: Why do you feel your opinion outweigh's both the MMORPG editors and a large majority of players?

Whether or not the game is to your liking has no bearing on how good a game is. It just so happens that a majority of people DO like the game despite your opinion.

 

Where does the OP state that their opinion outweights anyone else's, including the editors, a majority of players, or anyone else for that matter?

They are voicing an opinion and quite clearly speaking for themselves in their posts. At no point are they saying anything to indicate that they think others should agree with them, or that their opinion carries more weight.

They concede that perhaps they didn't get far enough into the game, and ask people to give info one what they might be missing out on. They show particular interest in the crafting system.

Like someone else I addressed earlier in the thread, you do the game, nor the community no good by attacking people whose posts you clearly didn't read very closely. You do no better by projecting some "agenda" on to them for which there is clearly no evidence.

It would do ARR, and this community, a great deal of good if people would stop being so thin-skinned about the game, stop attacking anyone who voices a negative opinion and, more importantly, actually read and respond to what is actually said, rather than attacking the poster for things that weren't.

I don't think you people appreciate how badly posts like yours, and others, reflect on this game/community. People can spot someone who's cleary a troll, just out to bash/attack something they don't like. They can be dismissed as such without it even being pointed out. But when people who are apparently fans of the game are attacking anyone with a negative opinion, even when no trolling is present, nor even "evident" (such as the OP), that impression sticks. It makes the community of fans seem very intolerant, overly-defensive and rather hostile.

 

In the title of the post - it's basically saying: "I don't like the game - how can it be rated this high?"

Don't be so thin-skinned and hostile about fans being thin-skinned and hostile :)

Currently playing as Pete Puma on Excalibur. FF ARR - The best MMO I've played since SWG!

  echolynfan

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/26/10
Posts: 719

I ain't got a gat but I gotta soldering gun

10/02/13 3:14:21 PM#65
Originally posted by vandal5627
Originally posted by Aori
Originally posted by TangentPoint
Originally posted by vandal5627
Originally posted by TangentPoint
 

You can't blame FANs for being defensive.  Look at these forums on this website.  All you see these days are toxic haters.  You want FANs to stop being defensive, tell the haters to stop being so offensive.

When they're treating any criticism of the game exactly the same, no matter how it's presented - by attacking the poster - I absolutely can blame them.

It's a matter of actually reading what people are saying, in proper context and responding on the merits of the post. Being immediately hostile toward someone because of "what others have done" is just dishonest and lazy.

And let's not kid ourselves. I've followed and been in this community going back to Alpha (actually, going back to Alpha of 1.0, but that's irrelevant at this point). There have been people quick to rip anyone with a negative opinion to shreds since day 1.

When most threads start with a line like this "Extremely overrated game that brings nothing new to the genre." They are quick to hate on it. Much like people who are "hating" on FFXIV, who in a sense read the first line and are quick to disprove the game as being good.

If people want to be critical then they can present themselves better. Starting off with where you're coming from is a better way to start than being immediately negative. However if people come to defend their position because this is a forum for such things, then he op or any other "opposition" shouldn't belittle the fans.

There are two people that will defend a game, fans and fire starters.

Thank you, couldnt have said it better.

This ^

Currently playing as Pete Puma on Excalibur. FF ARR - The best MMO I've played since SWG!

  Mishakai

Novice Member

Joined: 4/27/12
Posts: 106

10/02/13 3:20:27 PM#66

The game is rated high because it is a good game.

Opinion threads from people who quit after 10 minutes, 15 levels, or because you saw a squirrel and your ADD kicked in don't even qualify as an opinion thread, just a statement of someones inability to stick with something long enough to actually form an opinion.

  echolynfan

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/26/10
Posts: 719

I ain't got a gat but I gotta soldering gun

10/02/13 3:22:03 PM#67
Originally posted by vandal5627
Originally posted by TangentPoint
Originally posted by echolynfan

My question to you Op is: Why do you feel your opinion outweigh's both the MMORPG editors and a large majority of players?

Whether or not the game is to your liking has no bearing on how good a game is. It just so happens that a majority of people DO like the game despite your opinion.

 

Where does the OP state that their opinion outweights anyone else's, including the editors, a majority of players, or anyone else for that matter?

They are voicing an opinion and quite clearly speaking for themselves in their posts. At no point are they saying anything to indicate that they think others should agree with them, or that their opinion carries more weight.

They concede that perhaps they didn't get far enough into the game, and ask people to give info one what they might be missing out on. They show particular interest in the crafting system.

Like someone else I addressed earlier in the thread, you do the game, nor the community no good by attacking people whose posts you clearly didn't read very closely. You do no better by projecting some "agenda" on to them for which there is clearly no evidence.

It would do ARR, and this community, a great deal of good if people would stop being so thin-skinned about the game, stop attacking anyone who voices a negative opinion and, more importantly, actually read and respond to what is actually said, rather than attacking the poster for things that weren't.

I don't think you people appreciate how badly posts like yours, and others, reflect on this game/community. People can spot someone who's cleary a troll, just out to bash/attack something they don't like. They can be dismissed as such without it even being pointed out. But when people who are apparently fans of the game are attacking anyone with a negative opinion, even when no trolling is present, nor even "evident" (such as the OP), that impression sticks. It makes the community of fans seem very intolerant, overly-defensive and rather hostile.

 

You can't blame FANs for being defensive.  Look at these forums on this website.  All you see these days are toxic haters.  You want FANs to stop being defensive, tell the haters to stop being so offensive.

Bingo!

Currently playing as Pete Puma on Excalibur. FF ARR - The best MMO I've played since SWG!

  ethion

Advanced Member

Joined: 7/25/03
Posts: 2856

10/02/13 3:36:50 PM#68

I'm still pretty new to the game but I'm somewhat impressed with last nights dungeon run.  It was a lvl 24 dungeon who's name I forgot but the thing that made it most interesting was that I noticed my party members has a sleep spell.  And it seemed to last for awhile.  Shocker I haven't seen a game with a long sleep spell in forever.  Seems like with all the PvP oriented games they nerfed that type of stuff.  Anyway the group was good.  tank tanked, someone was on crowd control and healers and dps did their jobs.

The overall quality of the PUG was very good.  So many games have lost any sense of tactics in dungeon encounters, just run in and attack.  This game actually has some strategy and good group tools.  Bosses spawn adds, various traps, tricks, and sudden death things you gotta neutralize.  

I'm encouraged by crafting, story, group play, and appearance.  That said I'd give it bad marks for combat.  The combat is laggy and your actions in the world are laggy.  IE I move out of an attack zone and take damage anyway.

I also don't really like the FATEs.  I mean they are good and all but you got herds of people running around from FATE to FATE.... Just seems like too much.  I would like more side quests for alts or a stronger class quest.  Less dependance on FATEs.

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  Darknessguy64

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/30/13
Posts: 237

10/02/13 3:37:05 PM#69
Originally posted by Mishakai

The game is rated high because it is a good game.

Opinion threads from people who quit after 10 minutes, 15 levels, or because you saw a squirrel and your ADD kicked in don't even qualify as an opinion thread, just a statement of someones inability to stick with something long enough to actually form an opinion.

 

You left out ladybugs...but I agree 100%

  TangentPoint

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Joined: 2/12/12
Posts: 1104

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10/02/13 3:44:05 PM#70
Originally posted by Aori
Originally posted by TangentPoint
Originally posted by vandal5627
Originally posted by TangentPoint
 

You can't blame FANs for being defensive.  Look at these forums on this website.  All you see these days are toxic haters.  You want FANs to stop being defensive, tell the haters to stop being so offensive.

When they're treating any criticism of the game exactly the same, no matter how it's presented - by attacking the poster - I absolutely can blame them.

It's a matter of actually reading what people are saying, in proper context and responding on the merits of the post. Being immediately hostile toward someone because of "what others have done" is just dishonest and lazy.

And let's not kid ourselves. I've followed and been in this community going back to Alpha (actually, going back to Alpha of 1.0, but that's irrelevant at this point). There have been people quick to rip anyone with a negative opinion to shreds since day 1.

When most threads start with a line like this "Extremely overrated game that brings nothing new to the genre." They are quick to hate on it. Much like people who are "hating" on FFXIV, who in a sense read the first line and are quick to disprove the game as being good.

If people want to be critical then they can present themselves better. Starting off with where you're coming from is a better way to start than being immediately negative. However if people come to defend their position because this is a forum for such things, then he op or any other "opposition" shouldn't belittle the fans.

There are two people that will defend a game, fans and fire starters.

And whose place is it to determine what the "correct and proper way to start a post" is? People now have to construct their posts in a certain way in order for those intolerant of a negative opinion to "accept" it? Nonsense. That seems a bit like moving the goal-post and setting arbitrary requirements to me.

Further, there have been plenty of well-written posts, which do not start off strongly, are not hyperbolic and are supported with examples of why the author felt the way they do. Regardless, they're met with the same kind of intolerance and hostility. So, trying to lay it at the poster's feet with some arbitrary requirement of "how you're supposed to voice your opinion in order to not be attacked" rings rather hollow.

People need to read and comprehend what someone is saying in total, and not read only the parts they want to acknowledge, while ignoring the rest.

The problem is quite simply and demonstrably that many people can not and/or will not tolerate a negative opinion about ARR, no matter who it's from, no matter how it's presented. They are attacked all the same. It's been proven over and over again, here, on the official forums and elsewhere.

I've read the OP's posts through at least twice. They do not say anything to warrant the reaction they've gotten - not by anyone who actually took the time to thoroughly read what they said, what they asked, and what their specific concerns are. But then that's the problem, isn't it? Many people in this thread - most even - seem to have completely missed all that because they're too busy attacking the OP for "criticizing their game".

Again, it's an ugly behavior on the part of the fans. All it succeeds at is demonstrating the degree of intolerance and hostility present in this community toward any criticism of the game.

 

My philosophy on MMORPGs:

Leveling is what happens while you're playing the rest of the game.

Don't worry about levels. Just play.

  FlyByKnight

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Joined: 12/31/12
Posts: 495

10/02/13 3:51:54 PM#71

I like the game, I was okay with the journey but here are the things that have stopped me from renewing my sub:


  • Repetitive endgame, 1-2 instance grind for gear. Then 1 instance grind for better gear. It would be nice if there were other ways to earn Tomes and even GC currency.
  • I don't have a problem with people spamming Fates, I just wonder how they can tolerate it.  The repetition gets old after 2 cycles of the same thing.  There's nothing to them.  Just show up and AoE. Unfortunately what else is there to do to level other classes or do GC? I had to do it from 46-50 and I HATED IT.
  • Gil Spammers. My black list is about 80% full and I have not seen the issue even remotely close to being addressed.  I dread having to return to major hubs and I'm tired of getting random whispers or seeing the chat window flooded.  It's easier to spam than it is to report it.
  • Duty Finder doesn't pop as often as it should.  I don't know why they went with the 4 party system but allowing 1 more dps to join would have been better. I'm pretty sure people are too busy spamming Fates to even care.
  • The lag spiking in dungeons.  I know this will get fixed eventually but I'm not going to pay while they figure it out.  The AoE lag is stupid and I've seen groups wipe when they shouldn't.
  • I won't complain about the story, the stupid translation mistakes (even making it to voice acting) or the choice to make the story rely on the silly duty finder but it's in the back of my mind as well.
  • Lack of variety from everything from builds to gear appearance.  I expected a bit more, maybe that was my fault but I don't understand why they even bothered allowing stats to be tweaked when each duty/job relies on 2 attributes (if that). I'm hoping they release a whole bunch of different jobs and job upgrades in the future but again... I'm not betting a subscription on it.
  • The terrain restriction and instancing takes getting used to but it's not that big of a deal unless you're some nostalgic  jaded angry old mmorpg nerd.
 
I like the overall game, the feel.  I like the dungeons and the challenges they put forth.  I just don't trust Square/Enix to do much with it.  I have to see it to believe it.  My humble opinion.
  naZchoco

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Joined: 8/02/12
Posts: 83

10/02/13 3:56:32 PM#72

Because it's not like SE didn't/doesn't have a game that has been subbed to for 10+ years and has had great expansions every time with loads content.

 

But no - I don't trust SE to do anything with this game.

 

Sarcasm.

  Hatefull

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10/02/13 4:02:06 PM#73


Originally posted by Ridelynn
If you don't like chocolate, you don't like it.

Moving on.


pretty much yeah...I read theo whole post and to answer OP's question...You should not keep playing. If you don't like it, you aren't going to like it. I bloody hate WoW, it is a good game, and I can understand that people love the thing, but it is not for me, so I don't play it. By your statements you don't like FFXIV, so save yourself and the community the headache and go play something you like.

No brainer imo.

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  Hyanmen

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10/02/13 4:08:13 PM#74
Originally posted by TangentPoint
Originally posted by Hyanmen

Why do people like things I don't like: The thread.

You (and others) are needlessly defensive, unfairly dismissive, and really aren't doing the game, or its community, any good with these kinds of replies.

In their first post, the OP says this:

"Just to say these are, of course, my personal opinions and I don't mean in any way to offend anyone who enjoys and plays the game. I really want to enjoy it due to all the praise the game has had from IRL friends, but I can't.

My question is, what have I missed that keeps people playing this game? I know I'll definitely need to progress further in the game to appreciate it more, but why should I?"

In their second post, they say this:

See the crafting is the thing that intrigued me the most. When I play an MMO, the main thing I generally want is to get epic loot, be it by crafting or dungeons. I never got far enough into the game to experience this, but it could be the thing to get me back into it if it seems worth it. I still have about 20 days left on this month's play time so could definitely give it a go. Like I said, I really want to enjoy the game, I just need some sort of motivation and something to look forward to in the game.

One other question though - What is the end-game like? Having played WoW, I really like the end game purely for gearing up my character and becoming extremely powerful! I'd like to relive that in a game, so maybe this one is it?

EDIT:

Another thing - I like when I can grind a certain area for a chance at rare and/or valuable items, regardless of level. Is this a thing in AAR to any extent?

They are conceding they didn't get that far and may not be aware of better stuff down the road; they're just feeling put off by what they've seen so far. They're not trashing the game, they're just voicing their opinion based on their own (admittedly limited) experience with it. They're curious about the game, and are asking questions.

So no, your summary is not "the thread". Your summary is - like so many other posts so far - proof of how people don't actually read what others are saying before responding. They see something negative or critical, ignore everything else, and immediately go on the defensive.

Then people, like myself, come along who do read the entire post, and do take everything said in context. We then read the responses, full of dismissive sarcasm and hostile remarks, and think "wow, what's the deal with the people in this game? Is ARR's community really this rude?"

 

My statement is perfectly valid for this thread. You can dance around it yet all the OP is doing is asking why do other people like something he doesn't.

"I don't like it" (opinion). "Why do you like it?" (question). There are no hidden meanings like you want to claim, neither in his post nor mine.

Perhaps you are the one taking everything people say here as defensive and rude.

 

FF:ARR FATE grinding: People not having fun by doing something not actually intended to get to a point that doesn't really matter as fast as possible. Just so they can do the same thing over and over again to gain a piece of virtual loot.

  Hyanmen

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10/02/13 4:13:45 PM#75
Originally posted by TangentPoint

The problem is quite simply and demonstrably that many people can not and/or will not tolerate a negative opinion about ARR, no matter who it's from, no matter how it's presented. They are attacked all the same. It's been proven over and over again, here, on the official forums and elsewhere.

And the same goes for the opposite side, though you're obviously not one to bring that up.

Which, in light of all that is fair and just, makes you look as biased as the rest of us - towards the haters that is.

Pot, please meet the kettle. And to complete the holy circle of hypocrisy please be sure to claim next that the haters are quite fine folk with no agendas and perfect toleration for positive posts and threads on these forums. Then we can all move on.

FF:ARR FATE grinding: People not having fun by doing something not actually intended to get to a point that doesn't really matter as fast as possible. Just so they can do the same thing over and over again to gain a piece of virtual loot.

  Nicephorus

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10/02/13 4:59:24 PM#76
Originally posted by TangentPoint

And whose place is it to determine what the "correct and proper way to start a post" is? People now have to construct their posts in a certain way in order for those intolerant of a negative opinion to "accept" it? Nonsense. That seems a bit like moving the goal-post and setting arbitrary requirements to me.

Further, there have been plenty of well-written posts, which do not start off strongly, are not hyperbolic and are supported with examples of why the author felt the way they do. Regardless, they're met with the same kind of intolerance and hostility. So, trying to lay it at the poster's feet with some arbitrary requirement of "how you're supposed to voice your opinion in order to not be attacked" rings rather hollow.

People need to read and comprehend what someone is saying in total, and not read only the parts they want to acknowledge, while ignoring the rest.

The problem is quite simply and demonstrably that many people can not and/or will not tolerate a negative opinion about ARR, no matter who it's from, no matter how it's presented. They are attacked all the same. It's been proven over and over again, here, on the official forums and elsewhere.

I've read the OP's posts through at least twice. They do not say anything to warrant the reaction they've gotten - not by anyone who actually took the time to thoroughly read what they said, what they asked, and what their specific concerns are. But then that's the problem, isn't it? Many people in this thread - most even - seem to have completely missed all that because they're too busy attacking the OP for "criticizing their game".

Again, it's an ugly behavior on the part of the fans. All it succeeds at is demonstrating the degree of intolerance and hostility present in this community toward any criticism of the game.

 

I'm sorry, but I'm not buying the whole premise of your reply. For the most part, fans aren't hostile to someone who simply doesn't like the game. I've long said, nobody should have to justify why they like or dislike a game. People like what they like. But it is almost NEVER just about not liking the game. There is a small but very vocal segment of the forum population that just cannot stand the idea that a game that doesn't cater to their individual taste might be successful. Thus they go out of their way to trash the game in anyway possible, and promote a negative atmosphere on the forums.

So is it any wonder that fans react hostilely to someone who quite obviously wants the game to fail? Oh, and then there is the tired "The fans were so mean to me just because I dared to criticize their game." Please!

And No, its not too much to ask for someone to think about how they construct their posts. Not if their want to be taken for something other than a troll of the first order.

  TangentPoint

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10/02/13 5:27:51 PM#77
Originally posted by Hyanmen
Originally posted by TangentPoint

The problem is quite simply and demonstrably that many people can not and/or will not tolerate a negative opinion about ARR, no matter who it's from, no matter how it's presented. They are attacked all the same. It's been proven over and over again, here, on the official forums and elsewhere.

And the same goes for the opposite side, though you're obviously not one to bring that up.

Of course not, because it's not relevant to the situation in this particular thread.  Why would I bring that up?

Which, in light of all that is fair and just, makes you look as biased as the rest of us - towards the haters that is.

Not at all. My reaction to people attacking someone for voicing criticism of the game has absolutely nothing to do with what my reaction to other situations would be.  I react to each situation on a case-by-case basis, on its own merits. I don't treat every situation the same, using the same canned arguments; that's more the forte' of others.

Again, you're arguing based entirely on a presumption of how you assume I might react.

Pot, please meet the kettle. And to complete the holy circle of hypocrisy please be sure to claim next that the haters are quite fine folk with no agendas and perfect toleration for positive posts and threads on these forums. Then we can all move on.

Only I haven't, am not and would not say anything of the kind. You are, again, reacting to a strawman you've constructed, based entirely on presumptions of something you couldn't possibly know, but pretend to simply because you need some reason to shift the focus and come back at me personally.

To wit: If you want to know what my view is on a particular situation, then ask me, and I'll gladly tell you. Don't presume to know what it is, and then react as though you're automatically correct.

Funny thing is, for all your ineffective attempts to "turn the tables" or shift the focus on to me, not a single thing I've said in this thread has been affected. At the end of the day, people in this community are still demonstrating intolerance toward someone with a negative opinion of the game.

 

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Leveling is what happens while you're playing the rest of the game.

Don't worry about levels. Just play.

  Wizardry

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10/02/13 5:51:27 PM#78

Well OP you mentioned RATED,well how do you rate a game?You rate it versus other games,it does not have to bring anything new to the table to be better than other games.

EVERYONE and i mean everyone has their own preference on combat and classes,so that is never a good area to rate versus other games.However detail in textures and creatures and graphics is a biggie and FFXIV is easily as good as an y game even if you don't think better.

I like to use a term often "DEPTH" of systems.Most games i have played are terribly cheap,no depth at all,very superficial leveling,questing games.That is why i RATE ffxi AS THE BEST Mmorpg of all time.No not the HD graphics,but there is good detail in low end textures,but the depth in systems is unequaled.

My personal taste on FFXIV,is it is a good game,deserves some acknowledgment but arguably not the best game,but deserves a high rating.

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  TangentPoint

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10/02/13 5:54:18 PM#79
Originally posted by Nicephorus
Originally posted by TangentPoint

And whose place is it to determine what the "correct and proper way to start a post" is? People now have to construct their posts in a certain way in order for those intolerant of a negative opinion to "accept" it? Nonsense. That seems a bit like moving the goal-post and setting arbitrary requirements to me.

Further, there have been plenty of well-written posts, which do not start off strongly, are not hyperbolic and are supported with examples of why the author felt the way they do. Regardless, they're met with the same kind of intolerance and hostility. So, trying to lay it at the poster's feet with some arbitrary requirement of "how you're supposed to voice your opinion in order to not be attacked" rings rather hollow.

People need to read and comprehend what someone is saying in total, and not read only the parts they want to acknowledge, while ignoring the rest.

The problem is quite simply and demonstrably that many people can not and/or will not tolerate a negative opinion about ARR, no matter who it's from, no matter how it's presented. They are attacked all the same. It's been proven over and over again, here, on the official forums and elsewhere.

I've read the OP's posts through at least twice. They do not say anything to warrant the reaction they've gotten - not by anyone who actually took the time to thoroughly read what they said, what they asked, and what their specific concerns are. But then that's the problem, isn't it? Many people in this thread - most even - seem to have completely missed all that because they're too busy attacking the OP for "criticizing their game".

Again, it's an ugly behavior on the part of the fans. All it succeeds at is demonstrating the degree of intolerance and hostility present in this community toward any criticism of the game.

 

I'm sorry, but I'm not buying the whole premise of your reply. For the most part, fans aren't hostile to someone who simply doesn't like the game. I've long said, nobody should have to justify why they like or dislike a game. People like what they like. But it is almost NEVER just about not liking the game. There is a small but very vocal segment of the forum population that just cannot stand the idea that a game that doesn't cater to their individual taste might be successful. Thus they go out of their way to trash the game in anyway possible, and promote a negative atmosphere on the forums.

I don't disagree that there are people who will attack the game because it doesn't specifically cater to them. I'm equally dismayed by those people. No argument there. But, like I said in my previous post... that's not what this thread, or my posts in particular, are about. One situation has nothing to do with the other. I can have an entire conversation with you about that (and you might be surprised to find how much I agree). This isn't the place for it, though.

Let me give you an illustration of what I mean that happens to be very close to home.

I played and supported the game through 1.0, paid and played up to the conclusion of 1.23, have been here through Alpha, all Beta Stages  for ARR, and even pre-ordered the CE for PS3 ($90), even though I get the CE for free as a 1.0 CE owner. 

I've praised much about this game over time. I've even defended the game against people making unfair or unsubstantiated claims about it. None of that matters. I was still ripped to pieces (on the official forums especially), numerous times, because I dared to say, for example, that I really don't like the heavy-handed use of quest helpers and such that Yoshi-P chose to go with.

I've personally been on the receiving end of that hostility and intolerance for simply stating that I disagreed with some decisions Yoshi-P made in the design of ARR. I've been called a troll, told to "go back to WoW", told I'm "just bashing the game" and "we don't want people like you in this game".

Better yet, I was told this by some people who had only started with ARR in Open Beta. Imagine that.

I've seen others unfairly receive the same behavior, time and time again.

So, you'll have to excuse me if I disagree with your assessment of my "premise".  Many people in this game's community are absolutely intolerant of any criticism toward the game, no matter how it's conveyed.

So is it any wonder that fans react hostilely to someone who quite obviously wants the game to fail? Oh, and then there is the tired "The fans were so mean to me just because I dared to criticize their game." Please!

The OP hasn't demonstrated any desire for the game to fail. Quite the opposite. They're interested to see if maybe the game beyond where they've progressed to might actually win them over. It's notable how that part is repeatedly ignored.

Regardless, you can not justify the intolerance and hostility demonstrated toward everyone who criticizes the game, based on the behavior or apparent motive of others.

To argue what you have is to basically prove my point: that it doesn't matter how it's stated, what the nature of the post is, or what the poster's demeanor is. Any criticism of the game is immediately lumped in the same category, pounced upon and attacked all the same.

And No, its not too much to ask for someone to think about how they construct their posts. Not if their want to be taken for something other than a troll of the first order.

Again, what you're attempting to argue has already been proven to not make a difference. Many times. It's a bogus "requirement" thrown out to serve as a convenient excuse for people to rip apart anyone voicing a negative opinion.

"Oh, well, they didn't post their opinion in the "proper manner", hence we have the right to attack them for it".  Give me a break.

You know how someone avoids being attacked by many in this game's community? Never post a negative opinion or criticism. That's it. That's the only way to guarantee you won't be attacked. The "safe" options are: Praise the game, or shut up. Not much of a choice.

Mind you, not everyone is like this. There are some reasonable people who will address each post on its own merits, and not hastily toss it in the fire because the poster had something critical to say.

 

My philosophy on MMORPGs:

Leveling is what happens while you're playing the rest of the game.

Don't worry about levels. Just play.

  MMOredfalcon

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10/02/13 6:04:48 PM#80
Originally posted by Darknessguy64
Originally posted by Mishakai

The game is rated high because it is a good game.

Opinion threads from people who quit after 10 minutes, 15 levels, or because you saw a squirrel and your ADD kicked in don't even qualify as an opinion thread, just a statement of someones inability to stick with something long enough to actually form an opinion.

 

You left out ladybugs...but I agree 100%

 It's quite entertaining how a person simply states their opinion about dislike of this game. The fans of the game resort to personal insults and name calling. Yet those who criticize the the game are not personally attacking anybody. Just giving their opinion. 

Every game needs more than just the fans opinions. Comments from those who dislike the game as well are also important. They give notes of the games faults which is often overlooked by fans.

They aren't haters for disliking the game. They have invested their money into the game as well as the fans. And from what I have seen on these forums with the fanbase community and their insulting anybody who give a poor opinion of the game, has certainly discouraged me from this title.

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