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  Bacchira

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Joined: 8/01/13
Posts: 47

10/02/13 11:57:42 AM#21
I get less excited for this game every time I hear something new...
  penek

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10/02/13 11:58:43 AM#22
Originally posted by SBFord
I think it looks like a terrific model and one that I would happily subscribe to if the game lives up to its hype. If Trion doesn't adopt something similar, I might have to push myself a bit harder in my Russian language learning....or I might just head that direction anyway. :)

you would be happy to play game from a company that sell set of ingame items for  40,367$ ? Are you Oil tycoon or his son?

  Onomas

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Sandbox is your only hope for a decent mmo ;)

10/02/13 12:07:00 PM#23
Well about time this is released I will already be 6 feet under it seems. Trion has had this since January and all they had to do was translate the game. Its 9 months later and nothing new from Trion, no beta, no game footage, almost nothing. Should not take that long to translate this game unless they are changing it to make it more westernized which then it will fail either way.
  Ramonski7

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10/02/13 12:13:33 PM#24

I'm starting to dislike the F2P and B2P models a little bit more each day. I was really hoping to play AA but if this model is adopted by TW I will be by passing on it for the time being. I'd rather be presented with a game with 100% content (this goes for progress, fluff and convenience items) availability than deal with 70% - 80% content availability and devs having to cook up potential revenue streams to support such a model. Because any attention diverted from providing great gaming experience first and foremost, is too much attention being diverted in the first place. At least with the sub based model I know devs don't have to worry about stocking a virtual store when sales slow down. And I don't have to worry about if I should open my wallet for anything I may see (or need) in game.

 

I mean let's be honest, I've been playing mmorpgs long enough to be alright with not being able to afford every sub based game out there. It's just too bad devs are still trying to chase big numbers and convert those into potential revenue instead of being happy with a sustainable amount of loyal players while making a mmorpg on a modest budget to reflect that goal. Oh well it just seems like more and more devs are taking the made for TV approach rather than releasing a movie to theaters. You see a made for TV movie will constantly interrupt the viewer with commercial breaks, while once a movie in a theater starts, I'm free from interruptions. And while both may be very good movies, I'm more likely to sit through a movie in a theater because I know I paid for it rather than deal with so many interruptions, hell it's the reason most people Tivo shows. So where's the Tivo for F2P and B2P mmorpgs? Oh that's right....we call those things subs.


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  Elijarh

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10/02/13 12:16:24 PM#25

Kinda been burned by so many shoddy mmo's of late, I have not bought one since STO came out. I'd rather wait for all the fireworks to fizzle out and see what's left after 6 to a year before I buy any new mmo. Saying that I do like the general features AA is offering.

We will see. :)

  Nadia

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10/02/13 12:21:28 PM#26

I've read the world is more immersive than Vanguard

if true, count me in

  penek

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Posts: 4

10/02/13 12:25:13 PM#27

few conclusions after podcast with mail.ru ~15minits ago

Solo playing - Dead

Small group playing - Dead

Pirates ? - Dead

Fishing - Dead

Twinks will grab all real estate

Bots? Still be there

Korea 5000 labor points, RU premium 3000 > 2k go to people who don't pay, 1 guy with premium "support" x4 free leechers.

For premium you get "enough" (40) arks to pay rent for scarecrow + house + farm (but hey! au only for arks, and if you want bigger bags > you need moar arks. Arks also will be given as reward from some quests in addition to real money\raid bosses

and just check this> guild donate> quickly get best siege weapons, gear and etc = guess who gonna win at siege? (hint, guys with bigger wallet)

 
  jesteralways

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Joined: 3/17/13
Posts: 514

10/02/13 12:26:05 PM#28
archeage korea and china are making lots of money with f2p model even though the  game is still in beta there. heard from a chinese friend that publisher are renting game real estate to players, players explore and find suitable place for building their own home; which can even be turned into cities, then they buy space from publisher and create whatever they like. and the publisher also charge monthly for that space. those who wants open world housing to be mainstream this is just their game but will they be paying the enormous amount of money(at least in china) to keep their city?    

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  LlexX

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10/02/13 12:31:40 PM#29

I have to correct myself about calling it a World-wide model, since new infos came to the surface.

XLGames created 2 payment models for the game, P2P and F2P, Mail.ru choose the F2P version, and as you can see it looks like this.

Mail.ru sent the petition to XLGames "Your petition was referred to the developers." gratz for Russia for the resistance.

 

Now about this F2P model, those who are saying that it's good, they just don't know shit about how things work in the game, you just can't expect a healthy economy with this system,   im not going to write down again why is this system awful, if you want to know more, you can check it on AAsource.

 
  alkarionlog

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10/02/13 12:42:36 PM#30
Originally posted by jesteralways
archeage korea and china are making lots of money with f2p model even though the  game is still in beta there. heard from a chinese friend that publisher are renting game real estate to players, players explore and find suitable place for building their own home; which can even be turned into cities, then they buy space from publisher and create whatever they like. and the publisher also charge monthly for that space. those who wants open world housing to be mainstream this is just their game but will they be paying the enormous amount of money(at least in china) to keep their city?    

so youa re saying arche age is the biggest money grab scam of this decade?

 

and serious that is why we don't get any good MMO for years, they make cash grabs, not even hide this fact anymore, with half the effort they did before, just toss a pretty skin on it and all you guys give your money saying they deserve for half work they did? serious even SWTOR ahve a better f2p plan then this....

 

when players will learn?

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  penek

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Posts: 4

10/02/13 12:45:06 PM#31
everyone this days make cash grabs, FPS\Strategy\Action games, not only MMO's (just look at all that game series from EA\Activision)
  penek

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10/02/13 12:51:06 PM#32
Originally posted by LlexX

XLGames created 2 payment models for the game, P2P and F2P, Mail.ru choose the F2P version, and as you can see it looks like this.

its only mai.ru words, which pretty much all lie (you really think XL will give away contract details from deal with Trion, to mail.ru?)

  XilentStorm

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10/02/13 12:55:01 PM#33
Originally posted by Razeekster

If this is a "world-wide" model count me and I'm sure many players out. Either make it buy to play with a cash shop like Guild Wars 2, F2P with a cash shop, or subscription based with no cash shop. 

 

The Russian model is ridiculous.

 

EDIT: To add onto this because people seem to be confused as I see comments like "This model looks pretty good to me" do you really want to compete with guilds that have the ability to level up all their members to lvl 50 through this system if they fork out enough cash? Because I do believe that was lost upon a quite a few people from the posts that I am seeing.

 

Indeed, and the gameplay will be equally bad if it's not localized in the slightest.

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  MindTrigger

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10/02/13 1:40:56 PM#34
It's taking so long for this game to launch here in the US, I doubt its relevance.  They better be bringing a special game to the table to compete with what's coming down the line.  This game should have launched this year, IMO.

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  Karteli

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10/02/13 1:41:51 PM#35
Originally posted by XilentStorm
Originally posted by Razeekster

If this is a "world-wide" model count me and I'm sure many players out. Either make it buy to play with a cash shop like Guild Wars 2, F2P with a cash shop, or subscription based with no cash shop. 

 

The Russian model is ridiculous.

 

EDIT: To add onto this because people seem to be confused as I see comments like "This model looks pretty good to me" do you really want to compete with guilds that have the ability to level up all their members to lvl 50 through this system if they fork out enough cash? Because I do believe that was lost upon a quite a few people from the posts that I am seeing.

 

Indeed, and the gameplay will be equally bad if it's not localized in the slightest.

Trion did state that they were not going to localize (aka dumb down) the content.  However the jury is still out as to what the payment model will end up being for the English version.

 

Perhaps P2W is acceptable in Russia, but it would most certainly not go over well for NA / EU.

 

While, Mail.RU put buying labor points flat-out on the table, it still should be noted that it isn't Live yet (merely beta soon).  Trion should use this time to take some really good notes!

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  khameleon

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10/02/13 1:50:31 PM#36

Nope. I have FFXIV, ESO and EQNext. No point to play this translated  korean game that will be a huge disappointment.

 

They missed the boat, this should have come out way before the other 3 games if they wanted to get a good amount of players.

  Deathgod881

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10/02/13 2:13:19 PM#37
probably going to at least try it

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  Bacchira

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10/02/13 2:52:41 PM#38
I get the feeling that Trion will be tinkering with this game for so long that everyone will have forgotten what the heck Archeage is when it's finally released in the west...
 
  Immundissime

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10/02/13 3:14:28 PM#39

Hello guys, I'm from Russia to say some things about this system:

- Arks can be get from OW Raid Bosses (small quantity), from 1-2 not-repeatable quests (small quantity) and by donate for real money and there's no other way (do u smell what is the main source for them? :))

-Arks are the main in-game value (so as "old" gold is needed to buy NPC items and to repair - gold can't be even given to other player, it's not tradeable)

Arks are used in auction as a main currency (items are sold for arks and 10% tax after selling item is in arks too)

Arks are also used for rent taxes (for houses/farms and etc)

- Some elements of game are dead. As an example pirates are totally off game. Packs of items can be sold on Trade Island only for "Ancient Gold" (Delphi Gold), which is used for drawings and high-level craft.

There are many other changes and most of them seem to be "pay2win". Even inventory expansion is done for Arks (= real money).

Well-known russian gamers community (GoHa.ru) is mostly going to wait for Euro release by Trion as we think Russian AA is going to be dead by the start. And we hope Trion is not going to choose Russian model for their servers.

  Frenetic

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10/02/13 3:15:23 PM#40

I don't care which model they use - as long as subscriptions aren't necessary to log in. 

It's not about ME being stingy. It's simply a huge hassle to convince ALL of your friends to dish out money monthly, else you all can't play together. 

With any kind of "Hey, it's free to come spend some time with me" model, all I have to do to get someone to try a game is convince them to download it. 

Also, I have NO problem paying oodles of cash for housing decor. My favorite thing to spend money on. Rift owns a portion of my paycheck every time they release a new bed type or candle.

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