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  skyline385

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Joined: 7/09/13
Posts: 601

10/01/13 12:46:54 PM#61

I have created the below mentioned thread for the VIDEO SHOWING ZERO DELAY, simply because this thread has derailed enough and because this title has nothing to with it. Kindly read what i had to say before viewing the video.


http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/397350

  jacklo

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Joined: 7/29/09
Posts: 582

10/01/13 1:39:51 PM#62
Originally posted by skyline385

I have created the below mentioned thread for the VIDEO SHOWING ZERO DELAY, simply because this thread has derailed enough and because this title has nothing to with it. Kindly read what i had to say before viewing the video.


http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/397350

I'm downloading the game right now to give it another shot.

I'm another ex-vet who played for 2 months after release but my pvp guild moved on because of tremendous skill lag and the abomination that was Ilum.

I've watched your video and have to say, that's not really the situation that revealed the skill lag. It happened mainly in the arenas such as Huttball.

I swore never to have this game on my hard drive again after that, but time is a healer so I'll take a look and see how things have improved.

 

  jacklo

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Joined: 7/29/09
Posts: 582

10/01/13 1:57:27 PM#63
Originally posted by jacklo
Originally posted by skyline385

I have created the below mentioned thread for the VIDEO SHOWING ZERO DELAY, simply because this thread has derailed enough and because this title has nothing to with it. Kindly read what i had to say before viewing the video.


http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/397350

I'm downloading the game right now to give it another shot.

I'm another ex-vet who played for 2 months after release but my pvp guild moved on because of tremendous skill lag and the abomination that was Ilum.

I've watched your video and have to say, that's not really the situation that revealed the skill lag. It happened mainly in the arenas such as Huttball.

I swore never to have this game on my hard drive again after that, but time is a healer so I'll take a look and see how things have improved.

 

Ok, I'm obviously going to give it more time and the game is still downloading assets, but my character has no head. That doesn't exactly scream polish :)

  skyline385

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Joined: 7/09/13
Posts: 601

10/01/13 2:48:38 PM#64
Originally posted by jacklo
Originally posted by skyline385

I have created the below mentioned thread for the VIDEO SHOWING ZERO DELAY, simply because this thread has derailed enough and because this title has nothing to with it. Kindly read what i had to say before viewing the video.


http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/397350

I'm downloading the game right now to give it another shot.

I'm another ex-vet who played for 2 months after release but my pvp guild moved on because of tremendous skill lag and the abomination that was Ilum.

I've watched your video and have to say, that's not really the situation that revealed the skill lag. It happened mainly in the arenas such as Huttball.

I swore never to have this game on my hard drive again after that, but time is a healer so I'll take a look and see how things have improved.

 

The video i recorded was on Imperial Fleet Instance 2 having 170 people on the small station at that point (you can see the number in my video on left side bottom). If that wouldn't show up any delay caused by the server or devs, then you can be sure nothing else in the game well.

Ilum was an abomination just like you said, it had things which the engine couldn't handle and hence was removed promptly.

As for your missing head while downloading the game, i will definitely sue the devs over that :D

  MurlockDance

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Joined: 6/20/10
Posts: 1225

10/01/13 2:50:32 PM#65
Originally posted by skyline385

There are actually 2 leveling routes, republic and imperial with 4 starting areas. The dungeons encountered while leveling are different too for both paths.

In the second case, i agree with you. It would definitely have been more fun if it was completely open but when it involves traveling different planets i don't see how that can be made possible. Games like WoW, GW2, Rift are centered on a definite region and hence they can be made open. This is also what worries me about Wildstar sadly. I hope they do something about it.

I meant two starting zones and one leveling path for each side. Starting zones: one for jedis, one for non jedis on the Republic, one for sith and one for non sith on the Imperial. Sure, things are peppered with different flash points between the two sides but the flash points even seem same-y despite. I am not meaning to bash, it is great the first time through on both Republic and Imperial sides but after that it gets a bit stale. Since the heritage aspect of the game is there to make lots of alts, it defeats the purpose because it is not like in WoW for example where you have many different leveling paths and starting areas. In comparison you have the troll, goblin, orc, undead, tauren, blood elf, death knight and now the pandaren areas just if you play Horde alone. By level ten there are three main routes in the 1-60 zones that seem to go down to just one leveling path at 60 to roughly 65 when you get two leveling paths again for the Horde. It stays at two until Pandaria. It is true that WoW has the same dungeons whether you play Horde or Alliance, but there are many, many more dungeons than ToR has flashpoints.

I think that on the contrary they could have done a less linear leveling route by using the planets to their benefit in ToR. If they can bring people back to old planets to do bonus content, I don't see why they couldn't open more areas at other levels so that people have more choice.

Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.

  MurlockDance

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Joined: 6/20/10
Posts: 1225

10/01/13 2:52:48 PM#66
Originally posted by jacklo

Ok, I'm obviously going to give it more time and the game is still downloading assets, but my character has no head. That doesn't exactly scream polish :)

 

Hee hee, brings back memories of the headless atroxes in Anarchy Online.

Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.

  LoverNoFighter

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Joined: 9/05/12
Posts: 334

SWG pre cu > all

10/02/13 4:25:41 AM#67

So to sum it up:

This game isn't anywhere near the Messiah of the genre that it was supposed to be.

In fact, it's mediocre at best.

All we can hope for is SWG pre cu v.2. That's our only hope.

  User Deleted
10/02/13 4:48:11 AM#68
Originally posted by Myria
Originally posted by evilastro

 The point was that many skills in SWTOR are carbon copies of WoW. None of the other games have tried to rip off WoW as blatantly as SWTOR did, [...]

 

Ummm, did you ever play Rift? Many of the skills not only did the same thing as WoW, but had the same name.

 

Mind, I liked Rift well enough and played it a hell of a lot longer than I did ToR, but ToR had nothing, nothing whatsoever, on Rift when it comes to xeroxing chunks of WoW wholesale.

 

Not in Azeroth anymore, indeed.

I dont think "who cloned WoW the most" contest helps here ;P

Well, RIft never hid it, and ex BW doctor said that "WoW is standard and if you deviate youre stoopid"

Bith games are where they are today though, thats what matters the most. Those who like em can still play them, but they are basically failed games. SWTOR much more than RIft though. (and yes you can still like a failed game, just look at Vanguard)

  jesteralways

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Joined: 3/17/13
Posts: 636

10/02/13 5:20:57 AM#69
I was all set on buying(pre-ordering actually) RoTHC digital expansion(aka DLC), i did not find 19.99$ to be too much, why? because every quest/ pve encounter in SWToR comes with awesome voice acting that cost a lot of money. then i saw one thing written on the buy page : "free to play restrictions apply". i was puzzled, so i sent an email to support@swtor.com(there is no in game support for f2p/preferred players like Rift/Tera does) and they replied to me that even if i buy RoTHC dlc, if i do not have active subscription i will have to buy Ops pass from cartel market to do the Ops that comes with RoTHC and f2p/preferred FP loot limit also apply. So basically i pay for the dlc but to do the Ops i will have to buy Ops pass each week that cost 240CC and to full loot new dungeons i need FP pass also cost 240CC, so for me it is 19.99$+(5$ each week). I don't mind they don't allow me to loot core game FP and don't let me do the Ops in core game, i DID NOT pay for them but i was going to pay for RoTHC so i should be allowed to enjoy everything that came with that but that was not what EAWare had in mind. So i said bye bye and never logged in since then. I don't think it will be wise for them to change their f2p model and make it like Rift or TERA but there is a limit as to how much lame things can be and they crossed it for me. So yeah now i don't play it but i wish them luck, if this new content update is good then that's a job well done from EAWare.

i want an open world, no phasing, no instancing.i want meaningful owpvp.i want player driven economy.i want meaningful crafting.i want awesome exploration, a sense of thrill.i want ow housing with a meaningful effect on my entire gameplay experience, not just some instanced crap.i want all of these free of cost, i don't wanna pay you a cent, game devs can eat grass and continue developing game for me.
Seems like that is the current consensus of western mmo players.

  skyline385

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Joined: 7/09/13
Posts: 601

10/02/13 5:27:34 AM#70
Originally posted by jesteralways
I was all set on buying(pre-ordering actually) RoTHC digital expansion(aka DLC), i did not find 19.99$ to be too much, why? because every quest/ pve encounter in SWToR comes with awesome voice acting that cost a lot of money. then i saw one thing written on the buy page : "free to play restrictions apply". i was puzzled, so i sent an email to support@swtor.com(there is no in game support for f2p/preferred players like Rift/Tera does) and they replied to me that even if i buy RoTHC dlc, if i do not have active subscription i will have to buy Ops pass from cartel market to do the Ops that comes with RoTHC and f2p/preferred FP loot limit also apply. So basically i pay for the dlc but to do the Ops i will have to buy Ops pass each week that cost 240CC and to full loot new dungeons i need FP pass also cost 240CC, so for me it is 19.99$+(5$ each week). I don't mind they don't allow me to loot core game FP and don't let me do the Ops in core game, i DID NOT pay for them but i was going to pay for RoTHC so i should be allowed to enjoy everything that came with that but that was not what EAWare had in mind. So i said bye bye and never logged in since then. I don't think it will be wise for them to change their f2p model and make it like Rift or TERA but there is a limit as to how much lame things can be and they crossed it for me. So yeah now i don't play it but i wish them luck, if this new content update is good then that's a job well done from EAWare.

And yet, when Blizzard charges 150+ USD for their games + expansion but doesn't allow you to even log-in without a sub, it's fine right? I mean, it's WoW after all.

Just an FYI, WoW charges $30 USD for an expansion with an included month sub, ROTHC + 1month sub were available for $25. People who didn't want to buy the sub were charged $19.99 for only ROTHC.

  Kinado

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10/02/13 5:42:21 AM#71

What is this? WoW fans vs SWTOR fans? Get a grip people. I played both games extensively and both of them came out a big disappointment. They didn't turn out to be the game I was expecting them to be : a MMO world that actually feels "alive" and not static, competitive group content, loads of sandbox features and for that you need great pvp also.

No "hold hands, let me walk you through the whoooooole content" mentality" .

 

They both failed in my opinion, I don't care how much money they make. The only MMO developer that I have seen so far that shows the right mentality in order to make a proper MMO, is Carbine with Wildstar. Even though I m not a fan of the cartoony style, they've shown so far that they understand what is missing and what was lost in the MMO genre. Let's hope they ll deliver.

 

As for SWTOR it will remain a good but not awesome game that will be truly meant for star war fans. After 2 years of watching what EA and Bioware did with SWTOR my hopes for this game to achieve that MMO greatness are extremely low.

 

I know what is wrong with you people! I DOOOO! You want a GREAT MMO to sink your heads in but unfortunely there is none at the moment. Not for the old school WoW players at least. So relax and wait for that big one to come because it will.

  Moodsor

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10/02/13 5:53:18 AM#72
Originally posted by Kinado

What is this? WoW fans vs SWTOR fans? Get a grip people. I played both games extensively and both of them came out a big disappointment. They didn't turn out to be the game I was expecting them to be : a MMO world that actually feels "alive" and not static, competitive group content, loads of sandbox features and for that you need great pvp also.

No "hold hands, let me walk you through the whoooooole content" mentality" .

 

They both failed in my opinion, I don't care how much money they make. The only MMO developer that I have seen so far that shows the right mentality in order to make a proper MMO, is Carbine with Wildstar. Even though I m not a fan of the cartoony style, they've shown so far that they understand what is missing and what was lost in the MMO genre. Let's hope they ll deliver.

 

As for SWTOR it will remain a good but not awesome game that will be truly meant for star war fans. After 2 years of watching what EA and Bioware did with SWTOR my hopes for this game to achieve that MMO greatness are extremely low.

 

I know what is wrong with you people! I DOOOO! You want a GREAT MMO to sink your heads in but unfortunely there is none at the moment. Not for the old school WoW players at least. So relax and wait for that big one to come because it will.

I find your post mildly amusing tbh, you shout out for sandbox like mmo's and then you go onto saying that Wildstar will deliver whats lost in the MMO genre? its about as themepark as it can get, and yes I speak from experience.

And then you go onto calling out oldschool WoW players as the ones waiting? I doubt very much oldschool WOW players are waiting for a sandbox game.

The only important thing about your post is "game I was expecting them to be", keyword "I".

  skyline385

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Joined: 7/09/13
Posts: 601

10/02/13 5:55:41 AM#73
Originally posted by Kinado

What is this? WoW fans vs SWTOR fans? Get a grip people. I played both games extensively and both of them came out a big disappointment. They didn't turn out to be the game I was expecting them to be : a MMO world that actually feels "alive" and not static, competitive group content, loads of sandbox features and for that you need great pvp also.

No "hold hands, let me walk you through the whoooooole content" mentality" .

 

They both failed in my opinion, I don't care how much money they make. The only MMO developer that I have seen so far that shows the right mentality in order to make a proper MMO, is Carbine with Wildstar. Even though I m not a fan of the cartoony style, they've shown so far that they understand what is missing and what was lost in the MMO genre. Let's hope they ll deliver.

 

As for SWTOR it will remain a good but not awesome game that will be truly meant for star war fans. After 2 years of watching what EA and Bioware did with SWTOR my hopes for this game to achieve that MMO greatness are extremely low.

 

I know what is wrong with you people! I DOOOO! You want a GREAT MMO to sink your heads in but unfortunely there is none at the moment. Not for the old school WoW players at least. So relax and wait for that big one to come because it will.

Well none of this would have happened if the haters wouldn't have come pouring. It was just a thread about the upcoming patch 2.4. I mean i too don't like FFXIV but i haven't made it my business to go to each and every thread and tell people how much of a failure the game is, with false facts. There are people who enjoy the game so let them. Why ruin their fun with all the nonsense?

  User Deleted
10/02/13 6:00:59 AM#74
Originally posted by Myria
Originally posted by evilastro

 The point was that many skills in SWTOR are carbon copies of WoW. None of the other games have tried to rip off WoW as blatantly as SWTOR did, [...]

 

Ummm, did you ever play Rift? Many of the skills not only did the same thing as WoW, but had the same name.

 

Mind, I liked Rift well enough and played it a hell of a lot longer than I did ToR, but ToR had nothing, nothing whatsoever, on Rift when it comes to xeroxing chunks of WoW wholesale.

 

Not in Azeroth anymore, indeed.

 

I did play Rift but didn't notice the skill correlation. All I noticed about Rift combat (at launch) was that it was spamming builders then using combo skills. A lot like Rogue combat in WoW I guess, but not that similar to other classes. Rift is a bit different now, most classes seem to have their own style.

  Moodsor

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10/02/13 6:01:34 AM#75

On another note I do agree that SWTOR has improved a lot over the past year or so, the main gripe I have with the game is they call it f2p, while their f2p is too restrictive to be called real f2p in my mind.

I think of it more as an extended trial, because if you wanna really get somewhere in SWTOR you pretty much need to subscribe.

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10/02/13 7:35:51 AM#76
Originally posted by Moodsor

On another note I do agree that SWTOR has improved a lot over the past year or so, the main gripe I have with the game is they call it f2p, while their f2p is too restrictive to be called real f2p in my mind.

I think of it more as an extended trial, because if you wanna really get somewhere in SWTOR you pretty much need to subscribe.

 

I've said it many times and will say it again. These people with the not free enough are what's wrong with MMOs and society in general. This I'm entitled to play for free is a joke. Free trail? Your right you can only play the entire original game from 1-50. You get to take part in the best story of any mmo on more then one toon even. Yes I see how that is a free trial. You could ask your mom for $15 or not goto MCD twice a month. Then if you played 3.5 hrs a week that would equal about $1/hr of entertainment not sure how people can qq that any game is not free enough.
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10/02/13 7:39:45 AM#77
Originally posted by maxima29
Originally posted by Moodsor

On another note I do agree that SWTOR has improved a lot over the past year or so, the main gripe I have with the game is they call it f2p, while their f2p is too restrictive to be called real f2p in my mind.

I think of it more as an extended trial, because if you wanna really get somewhere in SWTOR you pretty much need to subscribe.

 

I've said it many times and will say it again. These people with the not free enough are what's wrong with MMOs and society in general. This I'm entitled to play for free is a joke. Free trail? Your right you can only play the entire original game from 1-50. You get to take part in the best story of any mmo on more then one toon even. Yes I see how that is a free trial. You could ask your mom for $15 or not goto MCD twice a month. Then if you played 3.5 hrs a week that would equal about $1/hr of entertainment not sure how people can qq that any game is not free enough.

Would you calm down? Jesus... I stated how I view it when compared to other games free to play model, no need to go all crazy about it. If you cannot cope with people having an oppinion on forums meant for discussion, you might not wanna visit the forums.

You say this is whats wrong with MMO's? you think you are helping by throwing a fit whenever you disagree with someone?

  maxima29

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10/02/13 7:49:17 AM#78
Originally posted by Moodsor
Originally posted by maxima29
Originally posted by Moodsor

On another note I do agree that SWTOR has improved a lot over the past year or so, the main gripe I have with the game is they call it f2p, while their f2p is too restrictive to be called real f2p in my mind.

I think of it more as an extended trial, because if you wanna really get somewhere in SWTOR you pretty much need to subscribe.

 

I've said it many times and will say it again. These people with the not free enough are what's wrong with MMOs and society in general. This I'm entitled to play for free is a joke. Free trail? Your right you can only play the entire original game from 1-50. You get to take part in the best story of any mmo on more then one toon even. Yes I see how that is a free trial. You could ask your mom for $15 or not goto MCD twice a month. Then if you played 3.5 hrs a week that would equal about $1/hr of entertainment not sure how people can qq that any game is not free enough.

Would you calm down? Jesus... I stated how I view it when compared to other games free to play model, no need to go all crazy about it. If you cannot cope with people having an oppinion on forums meant for discussion, you might not wanna visit the forums.

You say this is whats wrong with MMO's? you think you are helping by throwing a fit whenever you disagree with someone?

 

Hey I got no problem with f2p but if people are going come on a forum and cry is not free enough then maybe they shouldn't be on the forum. I just game you my opinion on those who cry about stuff not being free enough. So you have yours and I have mine don't see the issue? You really think being able to play multiple toons from 1-50 is a free trial?
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10/02/13 7:52:05 AM#79
Originally posted by maxima29
Originally posted by Moodsor

On another note I do agree that SWTOR has improved a lot over the past year or so, the main gripe I have with the game is they call it f2p, while their f2p is too restrictive to be called real f2p in my mind.

I think of it more as an extended trial, because if you wanna really get somewhere in SWTOR you pretty much need to subscribe.

 

I've said it many times and will say it again. These people with the not free enough are what's wrong with MMOs and society in general. This I'm entitled to play for free is a joke. Free trail? Your right you can only play the entire original game from 1-50. You get to take part in the best story of any mmo on more then one toon even. Yes I see how that is a free trial. You could ask your mom for $15 or not goto MCD twice a month. Then if you played 3.5 hrs a week that would equal about $1/hr of entertainment not sure how people can qq that any game is not free enough.

Product is only worth as much as people are willing to pay for it.

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10/02/13 7:53:18 AM#80
Originally posted by maxima29
Originally posted by Moodsor
Originally posted by maxima29
Originally posted by Moodsor

On another note I do agree that SWTOR has improved a lot over the past year or so, the main gripe I have with the game is they call it f2p, while their f2p is too restrictive to be called real f2p in my mind.

I think of it more as an extended trial, because if you wanna really get somewhere in SWTOR you pretty much need to subscribe.

 

I've said it many times and will say it again. These people with the not free enough are what's wrong with MMOs and society in general. This I'm entitled to play for free is a joke. Free trail? Your right you can only play the entire original game from 1-50. You get to take part in the best story of any mmo on more then one toon even. Yes I see how that is a free trial. You could ask your mom for $15 or not goto MCD twice a month. Then if you played 3.5 hrs a week that would equal about $1/hr of entertainment not sure how people can qq that any game is not free enough.

Would you calm down? Jesus... I stated how I view it when compared to other games free to play model, no need to go all crazy about it. If you cannot cope with people having an oppinion on forums meant for discussion, you might not wanna visit the forums.

You say this is whats wrong with MMO's? you think you are helping by throwing a fit whenever you disagree with someone?

 

Hey I got no problem with f2p but if people are going come on a forum and cry is not free enough then maybe they shouldn't be on the forum. I just game you my opinion on those who cry about stuff not being free enough. So you have yours and I have mine don't see the issue? You really think being able to play multiple toons from 1-50 is a free trial?

Stating an oppinion != crying, get your dictionary, i never said anything bad about it, I just said how I felt about it.

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