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  PAL-18

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9/25/13 2:33:45 PM#61
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by PAL-18

Originally posted by lizardbones  

Originally posted by PAL-18

Originally posted by lizardbones  

Originally posted by PAL-18



He's in the smaller group, not the larger group.  
Ahhaa that makes sense,so this is a WoW killer and if its not then you were wrong and smaller group was actually right.    
What does WoW have to do with anything? Of the people who are playing ESO, the group that wants the whole PvP thing are the smaller group.  
Pretty sure none is playing it and pretty sure that peeps who wants multi-player game wants also to multi-play.

 

 




Of the people who want to play it. I'm sure there are very few people playing it right now.

You show me the evidence for the group of PvP MMORPG players being larger than the group of PvE MMORPG players, and I would concede that you have a point in there somewhere.

If you can show me all the Elder Scrolls PvP videos from Skyrim, Oblivion or Morrowwind and I'd conceded that you have a point in there somewhere.

There are more people who prefer PvE or Consensual PvP to people who want Always On PvP. There are zero people who have played a recent Elder Scrolls PvP game. If you go back to Battlespire, there are slightly more than zero people.

 

its not even ready.you are prolly talking about testing.

WoW ,in every server you can PvP and PvE with or against opposite faction.

You seem to believe in santa claus still  if you believe  that those games were MMOs.

same as above.

 

 

 

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  lizardbones

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9/25/13 2:40:37 PM#62


Originally posted by PAL-18

Originally posted by lizardbones  

Originally posted by PAL-18

Originally posted by lizardbones  

Originally posted by PAL-18

Originally posted by lizardbones  

Originally posted by PAL-18



He's in the smaller group, not the larger group.  
Ahhaa that makes sense,so this is a WoW killer and if its not then you were wrong and smaller group was actually right.    
What does WoW have to do with anything? Of the people who are playing ESO, the group that wants the whole PvP thing are the smaller group.  
Pretty sure none is playing it and pretty sure that peeps who wants multi-player game wants also to multi-play.    
Of the people who want to play it. I'm sure there are very few people playing it right now. You show me the evidence for the group of PvP MMORPG players being larger than the group of PvE MMORPG players, and I would concede that you have a point in there somewhere. If you can show me all the Elder Scrolls PvP videos from Skyrim, Oblivion or Morrowwind and I'd conceded that you have a point in there somewhere. There are more people who prefer PvE or Consensual PvP to people who want Always On PvP. There are zero people who have played a recent Elder Scrolls PvP game. If you go back to Battlespire, there are slightly more than zero people.  
its not even ready.you are prolly talking about testing.

WoW ,in every server you can PvP and PvE with or against opposite faction.

You seem to believe in santa claus still  if you believe  that those games were MMOs.

same as above.

 

 

 




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  keithian

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9/26/13 2:51:50 AM#63
Originally posted by Sleepyfish
Originally posted by keithian
Originally posted by Sleepyfish

What is this "everyone" nonsense? I know that RVR has a following but its marginal at best. We are talking about the DAOC, GW2 and the WAR model to a degree. Not open world factions like most popular pvp games use. Right now as is DAOC is under 50k subs, WAR is probably lower and GW2 is lucky to have 200k if that but they wont release active accounts probably for a reason. If were talking about a popularity contest these games cannot even compete with Runescape or SWTOR  and SWTOR is nearly dead itself. 

For people who do pvp besides the veteran DAOC nostalgia vets restrictions are never good. You wont get a single convert from RIFT, WOW, EVE, Lineage you will just siphon off from existing RVR player fanbases and at max even if you round up every DAOC vet on earth and combine them with the current GW2 player base will still be under 400k. 

You also will not win over Elder scrolls Vets who know full well this is a Zenimax cash grab that feels absolutely nothing like the single player games. I can probably guess correctly that more people purchased morrowind then will ever buy this game. 

1) WTF does introducing a PVP feature that wasn't in the single player games have to do with Elder Scroll Vets who care more about the PVE feel?

2) Please stop posting baseless facts. If you have a link that shows evidence of volume of users who prefer RVR versus battlegrounds, supply that, otherwise, your comment is speculation at best.

3) You do realize Warhammer had more people wasting time in battlegrounds which people whined forever during the first 3-6 months that not enough folks had an incentive to do RVR, right? Not sure you have even played the games you are talking about.

You are obviously trying to start a fight rather than prove me wrong. Anything I said can be backed up by the actual sub numbers those games have today. Other than that you tend to just be commenting on words you see and not reading anything and I dont feel the need to respond to your hypersensitive rage. 

On the contrary, I'm trying to understand what you are writing, educate you a little on the reality of games like Warhammer which I played, and get sources to what you write. Odd that you didn't respond to any of my rebuttals because there is nothing you have supplied that supports anything you wrote. If you can provide sources for your sub numbers, great, until then, its all speculation.

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  muffins89

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9/26/13 3:08:57 AM#64
ship has sailed.  cyrodiil offers open world,  faction based,  pvp.  at least try it before you decide that you don't like it.

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  Ramanadjinn

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9/26/13 3:27:45 AM#65
Originally posted by muffins89
ship has sailed.  cyrodiil offers open world,  faction based,  pvp.  at least try it before you decide that you don't like it.

 

I'm a huge fan of open world free for all pvp.  but i'm with this guy.

The game needs to be designed for it, otherwise its.. well.. designed for something else.  This game is obviously a RvR type of game, maybe its a good one of those types of games.  I hope so.  I doubt i'll enjoy it very long, but the devs made their choice and I wouldn't expect them to tack on a game system for which the game wasn't designed.  

It wouldn't be worthwhile for any of us.  Its the sort of thing Blizzard and countless of its copycats did and PvP in those games is poop by many PvP enthusiast's standards.  I'm even of the belief it did more harm than good to the genre overall.  It enabled so many to point fingers and exclaim "look! nobody likes pvp!"  And maybe they are correct to a point as so many folks have only been exposed to that sort of tacked on last minute "hardcore crowd pleaser" pvp.

 

If you really want an elderscrolls-like online open world pvp experience try one of the current sandbox fantasy games.  Or wait for one of the many interesting looking upcoming titles.

  DamonVile

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9/26/13 3:57:03 AM#66
So like always on this site. The 5% think they're the majority just because they make up 99% of the pvp posts.

People are like cats. When they die, you get a new one.

  User Deleted
9/26/13 8:46:38 AM#67
Originally posted by DamonVile
So like always on this site. The 5% think they're the majority just because they make up 99% of the pvp posts.

That's pretty much all subjects ever discussed on mmorpg.com. There's always a minority ( PVP rapists or PVE carebears most especially like to yell about not getting touched in their happy place) that will do that about any subject you can think of.

  SoMuchMass

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9/26/13 2:10:31 PM#68

Not all games should follow the same design, I am glad this is something different.  it isn't one faction, it isn't two faction, it is three faction.  Instead of going the WoW route they went the DAoC route and I am glad someone did it.

If you want the other way, there are plenty of games that offer it including WildStar.  Don't try to mold all games into what you want, you will be disappointed.

  psychosiszz

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9/27/13 5:59:38 AM#69
Originally posted by SoMuchMass

Not all games should follow the same design, I am glad this is something different.  it isn't one faction, it isn't two faction, it is three faction.  Instead of going the WoW route they went the DAoC route and I am glad someone did it.

If you want the other way, there are plenty of games that offer it including WildStar.  Don't try to mold all games into what you want, you will be disappointed.

Strange because I would of wanted a open world instead of locked zones. Really this is nothing like the Elder Scrolls series. Its just a shell pretending to be something its not. I just hope when this game fails and trust me it will. It doesn't kill the elder scrolls IP with it.

  Betaguy

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9/27/13 6:07:35 AM#70
Originally posted by Rophez
Nah, I'm good with the current plan.  DAOC was awesome, and it had the same setup.  They aren't going to change now, and there's only one server, so you might as well get on board or look for that next niche game that caters to PVP FFA.

I agree 100%

  Iselin

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9/27/13 1:46:43 PM#71
Originally posted by Sleepyfish
Originally posted by Iselin
 

I find it amazing that anyone would hold-up the WOW PVP system as an example of something good.

... the max level stealther who would kill all the auctioneers at the AH, restealth, hide and repeat when they re-spawned...

... the ones who would kill all the quest NPCs in lowbee areas...

... the ones that would camp a quest hub and kill everyone 40 or 50 levels below them...

Yeah... now that's manly PVP fun lol

And this bit... "...a bunch of bored players detached from their toons or in denial waiting for the..." scenario or dungeon to pop? hilarious

Tell it to someone who didn't play in a WOW PVP server... they might think you have a point...

Oh... and "zerg" is just code for "I like 15 minute scenarios and don't have a clue how to have fun in a 2-hour relic keep raid."

Do you think that it might be possible that these people who are developing these games have played as many or more MMOs than you, saw OWPVP for the pathetic gank-the-lowbee bore that it is and are designing something better?

...just a thought...

Its not just WOW its EVE,. L1, L2 the only thing that comes close are pure sandboxes like Second Life or Minecraft. 

Zerg is also code for the combat is terrible and boy I am sure tired of hitting this wall or this getting boring after doing it 5000 times a week to justify this games existence. It also might be possible you are hyper sensitive and are projecting your fears of being "Ganked".

Dude... even your silly attempts at insult are cliched and unimaginative.

Fact is every single OWPVP game has its rules abused by 13 year old weenies who think digital vandalism is ever so cool. And that's why they have become niche playgrounds for said weenies and adults who need to grow the f--k up. 

I've played them all and OWPVP, including Eve, L1 and L2 are boring POS. And what I posted about WOW above is the reality of life in a WOW PVP server.

The model where people PvP when and where they want to instead of when and where some bored asshat decides to do it, is the only way to go in today's troll-infested MMO world.

It's obvious from your superficial ideas that you don't have a clue how to enjoy PVP as a large community event. This game ain't for you...and that's a good thing.

  Siug

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9/27/13 2:55:46 PM#72
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Sleepyfish
Originally posted by Iselin
 

I find it amazing that anyone would hold-up the WOW PVP system as an example of something good.

... the max level stealther who would kill all the auctioneers at the AH, restealth, hide and repeat when they re-spawned...

... the ones who would kill all the quest NPCs in lowbee areas...

... the ones that would camp a quest hub and kill everyone 40 or 50 levels below them...

Yeah... now that's manly PVP fun lol

And this bit... "...a bunch of bored players detached from their toons or in denial waiting for the..." scenario or dungeon to pop? hilarious

Tell it to someone who didn't play in a WOW PVP server... they might think you have a point...

Oh... and "zerg" is just code for "I like 15 minute scenarios and don't have a clue how to have fun in a 2-hour relic keep raid."

Do you think that it might be possible that these people who are developing these games have played as many or more MMOs than you, saw OWPVP for the pathetic gank-the-lowbee bore that it is and are designing something better?

...just a thought...

Its not just WOW its EVE,. L1, L2 the only thing that comes close are pure sandboxes like Second Life or Minecraft. 

Zerg is also code for the combat is terrible and boy I am sure tired of hitting this wall or this getting boring after doing it 5000 times a week to justify this games existence. It also might be possible you are hyper sensitive and are projecting your fears of being "Ganked".

Dude... even your silly attempts at insult are cliched and unimaginative.

Fact is every single OWPVP game has its rules abused by 13 year old weenies who think digital vandalism is ever so cool. And that's why they have become niche playgrounds for said weenies and adults who need to grow the f--k up. 

I've played them all and OWPVP, including Eve, L1 and L2 are boring POS. And what I posted about WOW above is the reality of life in a WOW PVP server.

The model where people PvP when and where they want to instead of when and where some bored asshat decides to do it, is the only way to go in today's troll-infested MMO world.

It's obvious from your superficial ideas that you don't have a clue how to enjoy PVP as a large community event. This game ain't for you...and that's a good thing.

Agree 100%. OWPvP attracts too many sociopaths whose fun equals other people's misery. Although I'm mostly PvE player I'll certainly spend some of my play time in Cyrodiil.

  bcbully

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9/27/13 2:59:30 PM#73
Originally posted by Wiha
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Sleepyfish
Originally posted by Iselin
 

I find it amazing that anyone would hold-up the WOW PVP system as an example of something good.

... the max level stealther who would kill all the auctioneers at the AH, restealth, hide and repeat when they re-spawned...

... the ones who would kill all the quest NPCs in lowbee areas...

... the ones that would camp a quest hub and kill everyone 40 or 50 levels below them...

Yeah... now that's manly PVP fun lol

And this bit... "...a bunch of bored players detached from their toons or in denial waiting for the..." scenario or dungeon to pop? hilarious

Tell it to someone who didn't play in a WOW PVP server... they might think you have a point...

Oh... and "zerg" is just code for "I like 15 minute scenarios and don't have a clue how to have fun in a 2-hour relic keep raid."

Do you think that it might be possible that these people who are developing these games have played as many or more MMOs than you, saw OWPVP for the pathetic gank-the-lowbee bore that it is and are designing something better?

...just a thought...

Its not just WOW its EVE,. L1, L2 the only thing that comes close are pure sandboxes like Second Life or Minecraft. 

Zerg is also code for the combat is terrible and boy I am sure tired of hitting this wall or this getting boring after doing it 5000 times a week to justify this games existence. It also might be possible you are hyper sensitive and are projecting your fears of being "Ganked".

Dude... even your silly attempts at insult are cliched and unimaginative.

Fact is every single OWPVP game has its rules abused by 13 year old weenies who think digital vandalism is ever so cool. And that's why they have become niche playgrounds for said weenies and adults who need to grow the f--k up. 

I've played them all and OWPVP, including Eve, L1 and L2 are boring POS. And what I posted about WOW above is the reality of life in a WOW PVP server.

The model where people PvP when and where they want to instead of when and where some bored asshat decides to do it, is the only way to go in today's troll-infested MMO world.

It's obvious from your superficial ideas that you don't have a clue how to enjoy PVP as a large community event. This game ain't for you...and that's a good thing.

Agree 100%. OWPvP attracts too many sociopaths whose fun equals other people's misery. Although I'm mostly PvE player I'll certainly spend some of my play time in Cyrodiil.

When those "social paths" can be punished they don't last. Throw a 13 year old in jail for 5 hours on a Saturday, watch him come to the forums and scream "Stupid game!"

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  xanthmetis

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Posts: 119

9/27/13 3:15:14 PM#74
I would love total open world pvp... but I am not a sociopath either... I would kill a player once and not camp them or go after the repeatedly only if they came back and attacked then its game on... but i understand not everyone is like me

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  Iselin

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9/27/13 4:51:42 PM#75
Originally posted by xanthmetis
I would love total open world pvp... but I am not a sociopath either... I would kill a player once and not camp them or go after the repeatedly only if they came back and attacked then its game on... but i understand not everyone is like me

You're talking about the theory of how OWPVP could be if it was only reasonable players like you and others in it... it could be a good thing.

Problem is OWPVP games have proven over and over again that it never works as intended and the sociopaths ruin it for all of us.

  neroist

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9/27/13 10:42:31 PM#76

I am not into PvP as much as PvE raiding. But find that I really enjoy FFA PvP. It makes for very challenging PvE content .  I remember in AoC that guilds were formed and bonds were made that only happen in dire circumstances. Truly dynamic gameplay happened as alliances with other guilds and the politics between them were just pure awesome. AoC did PvP the best out of all MMOs I have played  and I am a PvE guy.

Also if doing large scale mass PvP I would like for them to have Friendly Fire as that stops mindless zergs that do nothing but pew pew pew in big herds. No real intimate or in dept Fighting happens. No 3-5 man groups prowling the planes taking down large groups without FF.

I know that not all people want a hard game and most people like a causal do dailies and pick flowers all day kinda game. But I still love TES and  want ESO to be great. Not conform to what nets the most casual gamers.

  Sleepyfish

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9/28/13 2:04:27 AM#77
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by xanthmetis
I would love total open world pvp... but I am not a sociopath either... I would kill a player once and not camp them or go after the repeatedly only if they came back and attacked then its game on... but i understand not everyone is like me

You're talking about the theory of how OWPVP could be if it was only reasonable players like you and others in it... it could be a good thing.

Problem is OWPVP games have proven over and over again that it never works as intended and the sociopaths ruin it for all of us.

OWPVP games are the most successful. Its not about being reasonable people are looking for an mmo to play, not a daycare center to worry about the superficial fears of the hypersensitive. I think most of us get enough of that in day to day life. 

The DAOC model isnt going to work its a niche market and it will just feel like a single player themepark game with a battleground in the middle. Even when DAOC was new people had a lot of gripes about it. Even during its peak it could never  compete with SW Galaxies and not anywhere close to Everquest. 

This is tried formula with predictable results and no amount of feelings or name calling will change that. 

 

 

  geel

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Posts: 91

9/28/13 2:18:49 AM#78

Ohhh how I miss those days when I grew to love and hate people because of how they treated others in an OWPvP environment.

How I miss open worlds in general. 

How long must the UO, L2 and perhaps even EVE fans wait for a decent follow up? This is the real question. We were teens, formed by these games. Learning that the world is not fair. We learned certain ppl are assholes, we learned to fight back. We learned to scheme and choose allies. We learned tactics and to be aware of our surroundings. 

Now we are older and thoughtful. We want more complex interactions like in the old days that have taught us so much, that gave us real thrills. Let's not hate the next generation of WoW fans, let them have their games (like this one). Let's not hate the game. Just wait for the right game to come back to us. We don't understand how ppl like games like this. Just as they don't understand us. 

  QuickShatter

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9/29/13 8:09:21 AM#79

"Heads up 100% pure opinion here*

   I can understand both sides of the arguement here.  First off I get why we want an open world PvP system, It helps give the feeling there's a war going on these factions are here for a reason not just we like to join teams but, hey I like this cause so I'll rally to support it. SO with OWPVP it gives us a " HOORAH MY TEAM FUCK YOUR TEAM" feeling, thats one of the things that made WoW fun. FOR THE HORDE or FOR THE ALLIANCE whom ever you sided with. It help emerse you into the game. Also who doesn't like competition, its one of the things that makes MMO, Hell online gaming Great! And come on some of the best "While I was playing (Insert game name here)" Stories.

    I also understand those who don't want it or don't care. See one thing that did bug me while playing WoW was Griefers. Guys who chose to spend their time pissing other players off just because they could. Hey to each his own, but come on people get online to have fun not, get frustrated because that one rogue won't let him finish his quest because he's camping his corpse. No one likes griefers, the only time I liked greifers was when they finally got caught by the guards or I finally killed em back. People get on to play, relax and have fun, not have to keep their eyes peeled while gather mats for crafting.

My time in WoW and a handful of other MMO's I played both PVE and PVP I really like them both, they are both have unque flavors. But I feel to make everyone happy *which they probably won't* they should implement PVE and PVP servers. I mean why not? or make boarders on the factions territories. So say a guy from Faction red run in with a group of his allies into Faction blues territory dude they should be free game at that point!, Sorry there is a war going on right?

WoW had it right * one of the few things it did right of course* PVE and PVP servers so those who wanted to gank and harrass and have massive Horde vs Alliance Zergfests in the barrens could and those who were more PVE incline could stick to the RPG or PVE servers. *Unless I'm misunderstanding how ESO is handling servers*

I do think its a little rediculous they are restricting PVP to ONLY Cyrodill, That sounds like a big barrier to me. I've never griefed any other players before *just not that good at PVP* But I just feel like its a need to give the game that much more emerstion. There are three factions and no one is going to defend their home stead if Team blue is stomping around in Team Greens territory? No retaliation or " GET OFF OUR LAND!!!" I guess you just have to wait for the guards or somthing?

But hey just my two cents, No OWPVP less emertion.

 

  lizardbones

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I've become dependent upon spell check. My apologies for stupid grammatical errors.

9/29/13 8:55:49 AM#80

The problem with griefers in open world PvP scenarios is that it's possible for a single griefer to annoy or anger tens or even hundreds of players. The effects of griefing so far outweigh the number of people who are actually griefing that stopping it is nearly impossible. I wish I could find the article and the website for the rogue that effectively blocked progression for hundreds of players trying to get through or to South Shore in WoW. It was epic. There was a website dedicated to him and everything. On the other hand, one person affected hundreds of people in a negative way. Open world PvP allows this kind of thing by design, and I can see why a developer would not make it their primary game mechanic in a commercial product targeted at millions of people.

It might be cool to have an "Open World PvP" server or channel/phase though.

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