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  AmbrosiaAmor

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9/28/13 11:11:36 AM#41
Originally posted by Hyanmen
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by AmbrosiaAmor

The thing is, nothing in that chart is endgame except for the Binding Coil of Bahamut. Everything else is (for the most part) extremely easy. They are tiny stepping stones to get there. I was able to experience everything in that chart (minus the Coil and the +1relic) in just a little over a week's time... and I wasn't even trying that hard. I was even able to beat Titan's Hard Mode in just after 1 try (I did watch Shepard's video a couple of times before attempting it).

 

Overall though, that entire chart is a brisk walk in the park. Like others have said, the "actual" challenge doesn't start till Coil #4 and #5. All those dungeons in that chart are very simple with one or two mechanics in them. Ifrit has been completely dumbed down from version 1.0 with basically all of his moves; Garuda thankfully not so much.

Link to you killing Titan please?

Sorry, it's just every time we get to a discussion on difficulty everyone says everything is sooooo easy and that anyone in their sleep can do it.  Yet in every group I run I see people die to entirely avoidable mechanics, so I'm thinking the average player is far less reactive, or perhaps smart, than they like to think they are.

If this isn't an "end game" chart, why is all of the things on it AFTER the end of the game?  I.E. hitting 50 and seeing the credits roll.

Edit:  Titan kills sell for 700k on my server... so if it was soooo easy then I think it would probably not sell for a small fortune, also a lot of people would have killed it, yet they haven't...

Easy for you is not easy for the population of MMO players.  A lot of us like to think we're hard core, but that rarely holds up in action.

You misunderstand him/her.

S/he's just saying that there is not enough content for the fraction of a fraction of players who have gotten to lvl50 AND running Coil 4-5 stating everything else is "easy".

I, too, find it unbelievable that SE hasn't created 10+ events for these couple hundred, maybe a thousand players who find everything below turn 5 "non-endgame".

Thankfully for the hundreds of thousands of people who have yet to attain such a level of skill and superiority all those events in the chart are very much "endgame" in all the definitions of the word.

 

Thankfully I'm not at Coil #4-#5 yet. To be honest it doesn't take that much skill to get to the point where I am. A little bit of determination, not letting any flack (from others) get to you, and reading up on the fights and maybe watching a video once or twice will get that chart done in a week or two... minus the relic+1 and coil. It was stated here:

 

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/1n43ck/dev_post_existing_high_level_content_will_be/

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/91033-Dear-Square-Enix!-Make-the-game-harder-not-easier!?p=1322554&viewfull=1#post1322554

 

that existing high level content will be reduced in difficulty. I have no problem with that. But when they continue to make the game easier and easier (compare the dungeons and Ifrit and to some extent Garuda from 1.0 to 2.0) and it does get a bit frustrating. I mean the level that they dumbed down those dungeons and especially Ifrit is just... I don't know why have %99 of the content "seem" like it is almost handed to you.

 

Well he did ask for pictures, since I guess in 2013 we need proof about beating Titan Hard mode... ask and ye shall receive. The game is fun tough! But the challenge... needs work! Incoming pics with really bad placed UI and ILVL 55 gear... yes you heard right ILVL 55 gear on my first try on Titan HM. Go figure!

 

 

 

 

 

PICS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. GUESS WHAT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. ALL IS PHOTOSHOPPED.

Or is it? You may need to scroll to the right to see the 2 larger ones.

 

 

 

  Hyanmen

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9/28/13 11:33:42 AM#42
Originally posted by AmbrosiaAmor

Thankfully I'm not at Coil #4-#5 yet. To be honest it doesn't take that much skill to get to the point where I am. A little bit of determination, not letting any flack (from others) get to you, and reading up on the fights and maybe watching a video once or twice will get that chart done in a week or two... minus the relic+1 and coil. It was stated here:

Who're you talking about? If it took you that long, it'll take the common joe at least thrice as long. And that's if they dedicate themselves to it instead of doing anything else.

That's because the same applies to the rest of the game. You are a fraction of a fraction of a playerbase. What you can do =/= what everyone else can (or wants to) do.

"Housing is standard in most mmo's."
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  Justsomenoob

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9/28/13 11:36:40 AM#43

Seems like the first patch (2.1) fleshes out endgame quite a bit better than what we have now.

 

It's due in November if I remember right, so not too terribly long.   Not making excuses for the game or anything, but stuff is coming at least.

 

 

  Razeekster

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May the game be ever in your favor.

9/28/13 12:20:38 PM#44
Originally posted by Hyanmen
Originally posted by TheHavok

The weird thing is, I've played other MMOs that are more grindy but I didn't find myself feeling so bored when playing them.

I don't know what your issue with the game is, but it's not really the game's problem :)

Also this is My signature: the thread.

It's not just his issue... I ended up deciding not subscribe because of that same exact problem. The game feels extremely boring and slow.

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  Hyanmen

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9/28/13 12:22:24 PM#45
Originally posted by Razeekster
Originally posted by Hyanmen
Originally posted by TheHavok

The weird thing is, I've played other MMOs that are more grindy but I didn't find myself feeling so bored when playing them.

I don't know what your issue with the game is, but it's not really the game's problem :)

Also this is My signature: the thread.

It's just his issue... I ended up deciding not subscribe because of that same exact problem. The game feels extremely boring and slow.

Welp that's two out of a million... anyone else?

"Housing is standard in most mmo's."
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  Razeekster

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May the game be ever in your favor.

9/28/13 12:23:04 PM#46
Originally posted by Hyanmen
Originally posted by Razeekster
Originally posted by Hyanmen
Originally posted by TheHavok

The weird thing is, I've played other MMOs that are more grindy but I didn't find myself feeling so bored when playing them.

I don't know what your issue with the game is, but it's not really the game's problem :)

Also this is My signature: the thread.

It's just his issue... I ended up deciding not subscribe because of that same exact problem. The game feels extremely boring and slow.

Welp that's two out of a million... anyone else?

Way to sound full of yourself.

Smile

  Shubawkss

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Posts: 57

9/28/13 11:36:30 PM#47
So let me get this straight.. you haven't even done the end-game because you're waiting on your FC, but it sucks? You are stating something sucks that you haven't even done. Logic.
  JonnyBigBoss

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9/28/13 11:48:45 PM#48

MMO veteran here.

FFXIV's endgame right now is above par, but hardly entertaining. I can't think of a single MMO that had a good endgame at launch, and FFXIV continues that sad heritage. It has a couple great experiences dipped in some god awful ones such as running CM 52 times with it having no drops, just currency, and a lack of anything to do besides dungeons. I mean, come on, give me a reason to explore the world or something.

  chakalaka

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9/29/13 12:00:27 AM#49
yea I've been p laying hard for about 2 days now, sitting at 23 Pugilist and 20 Goldsmith and I'm just taking my time actually checking things out and standing in awe at the many sights and scenes in the game. It's amazing... I feel like they emulated the perfect old school FF feel right into an MMO universe. So fun! Pugilist is fun, looking forward to Monk.
  Raxeon

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9/29/13 12:05:00 AM#50
most of its going to be much better once 2.1 arrives november so another month or so
  Shatter30

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9/29/13 5:56:57 AM#51
Originally posted by JonnyBigBoss

MMO veteran here.

FFXIV's endgame right now is above par, but hardly entertaining. I can't think of a single MMO that had a good endgame at launch, and FFXIV continues that sad heritage. It has a couple great experiences dipped in some god awful ones such as running CM 52 times with it having no drops, just currency, and a lack of anything to do besides dungeons. I mean, come on, give me a reason to explore the world or something.

And its sad that as a veteran(like me) you still havent realized that the best part of most MMO's is getting to end game, not end game itself.  In case you havent noticed, the people who raced to end game are the complainers, the ones who love it are the ones taking their time.

  Zalmon

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9/29/13 8:15:19 AM#52
Originally posted by Shatter30
Originally posted by JonnyBigBoss

MMO veteran here.

FFXIV's endgame right now is above par, but hardly entertaining. I can't think of a single MMO that had a good endgame at launch, and FFXIV continues that sad heritage. It has a couple great experiences dipped in some god awful ones such as running CM 52 times with it having no drops, just currency, and a lack of anything to do besides dungeons. I mean, come on, give me a reason to explore the world or something.

And its sad that as a veteran(like me) you still havent realized that the best part of most MMO's is getting to end game, not end game itself.  In case you havent noticed, the people who raced to end game are the complainers, the ones who love it are the ones taking their time.

People who focus only one class don't even need to 'race'. Play game casually and you will be 50 in couple of weeks..granted you are focused and not leveling multiple classes. Stop telling people they rushed...not everyone fate grinded on their very first class. 

  Husvik

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9/29/13 7:25:32 PM#53
The option to level too fast is available in every game. If this is what you solely obsess on then it's lightening fast. Why level as fast as humanly possible? This is a problem due to the option, not a complaint. No one is forcing a player to be a content locust lemming.

I've been playing since launch and am 26. Why? Mainly, whats the rush? Play the game the way it's meant to be played would be a good start. There is literally tons to do on the same character, mix things up as the game was designed for this type of play, take advantage of the variety this game offers.
  Nicephorus

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9/29/13 11:49:52 PM#54
Originally posted by Zalmon
Originally posted by Shatter30
Originally posted by JonnyBigBoss

MMO veteran here.

FFXIV's endgame right now is above par, but hardly entertaining. I can't think of a single MMO that had a good endgame at launch, and FFXIV continues that sad heritage. It has a couple great experiences dipped in some god awful ones such as running CM 52 times with it having no drops, just currency, and a lack of anything to do besides dungeons. I mean, come on, give me a reason to explore the world or something.

And its sad that as a veteran(like me) you still havent realized that the best part of most MMO's is getting to end game, not end game itself.  In case you havent noticed, the people who raced to end game are the complainers, the ones who love it are the ones taking their time.

People who focus only one class don't even need to 'race'. Play game casually and you will be 50 in couple of weeks..granted you are focused and not leveling multiple classes. Stop telling people they rushed...not everyone fate grinded on their very first class. 

Sorry, but if you hit 50 in a couple of weeks, you rushed. It may not be your idea of RUSHED, but even a month after release, the vast majority of the player base is not at level cap yet. Its really pretty sad that such a small minority thinks the game is supposed to cater to them.

  ThomasN7

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9/29/13 11:53:28 PM#55
The problem is that people are leveling way too fast. In FFXI there was literally no endgame either but FFXI was all about the journey to the end. It took you months to get to max if your played a lot. 
  azzamasin

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9/30/13 12:00:07 AM#56
Originally posted by mithrillion
Originally posted by TribeofOne

name 1 mmo that releases with end game totally fleshed out or with massive amounts of awesome endgame content that will satisfy the "rush to the end" crowd

I'll wait.

I agree, slow down enjoy the journey, the endgame will still be there and be better and more abundant if you do.

Option 1: EVE, obviously.

Option 2: Any old school Korean MMOs with 400+ levels, because you don't reach endgame.

It's not endemic to Korean MMO's, many old school MMO's had long progression paths which I really want to see again.  Hopefully TESO fulfills that niche for me.

Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

  Hyanmen

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9/30/13 3:43:57 AM#57
Originally posted by ThomasN7
The "problem" is that people are choosing to level way too fast and SE lets them.

Ftfy.

I'm sure everything would be much better if SE forced everyone to take ages to get anywhere. Nothing to bitch about. Endless parties at Costa del Sol for everyone.

"Housing is standard in most mmo's."
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  Bigdaddyx

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9/30/13 5:51:22 AM#58
Originally posted by Nicephorus
Originally posted by Zalmon
Originally posted by Shatter30
Originally posted by JonnyBigBoss

MMO veteran here.

FFXIV's endgame right now is above par, but hardly entertaining. I can't think of a single MMO that had a good endgame at launch, and FFXIV continues that sad heritage. It has a couple great experiences dipped in some god awful ones such as running CM 52 times with it having no drops, just currency, and a lack of anything to do besides dungeons. I mean, come on, give me a reason to explore the world or something.

And its sad that as a veteran(like me) you still havent realized that the best part of most MMO's is getting to end game, not end game itself.  In case you havent noticed, the people who raced to end game are the complainers, the ones who love it are the ones taking their time.

People who focus only one class don't even need to 'race'. Play game casually and you will be 50 in couple of weeks..granted you are focused and not leveling multiple classes. Stop telling people they rushed...not everyone fate grinded on their very first class. 

Sorry, but if you hit 50 in a couple of weeks, you rushed. It may not be your idea of RUSHED, but even a month after release, the vast majority of the player base is not at level cap yet. Its really pretty sad that such a small minority thinks the game is supposed to cater to them.

I played 2 to 3 hours a day. Started from early access. Only played Lancer, did all the dungeons, story quests, class quests, guildhests, side quests, hunting logs mixed it up with FATES and leves whenever i had content gaps and i was lvl 50 in 15 days.

There is plenty of XP to level your first class. Keep telling people who focused only on one class that they rushed. It won't make it true though. If leveling is fast it is not players fault that they are hitting 50 in couple of weeks.

Not everyone is into leveling multiple classes simultaneously, some like me only focus on one class at a time.

  Treespider

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Joined: 7/03/13
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9/30/13 6:23:42 AM#59

I see how they got it set up, it is a ok balance for now since. It  allows new players to the genre and there FF fans to enjoy the game. It allow the japanese that do not got much exp in mmos to keep up to us also. Plus the game runs great not much bugs, just there customer service and servers lag sucks. 

Also another point , Since it easy sauce for some. They will not need to go back and waste time and money trying to nerf stuff in a year to get more players caught up to were the majority at.

The way they got it set up right now for endgame is like a journey can solo for awhile and get PuG groups, But in time at level 50 you are going to need to be in a Free company and by then hopefully you learn the game and been in enough PuG dungeons or shouts and ran in to some cool friends doing the relic weapon quests. For when the next stages of endgame starts. Like Coil of behemoth. 

Now as a person who spent yrs on ffxi , I think they can and will be adding some of there many true endgames elements and cause a lot of drama to free companies. Were the FC going to need point systems and what not just so your best players get the gear first. And even then will take about six months or more to get what they need or you need. 

Remember these are the same people that had boss fight that use to take 12 hrs to 36hrs just to take out a boss. With about 75 people dropping in and out of the alliainces all night. Who knows if there going bring that back. 

  Nightfyre

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Joined: 1/25/04
Posts: 172

9/30/13 6:29:37 AM#60
Originally posted by Grailer

If you just got the game and are trying to get end game asap trust me , you aren't missing out on anything at end game .

 

My first character I farmed FATES all day long and basically got to 50 in a week . Then I farmed the same 8 man dungeon about 37 times which took a few days to get enough seals to get my darklight armor .  I then proceeded to farm hardmode primal to get my weapon which didn't take too long since I was only warrior that could roll on the weapon.

 

There is 1 end game raid dungeon but I never got to that because guild is taking their time which is good .

 

Also if you are healer or a tank you can gear up super fast compared to dps .  You can pretty much run dungeons and do primals  all day long non stop .

 

So basically the best part of the game is levelling from about 15- 50   .  If you didn't do a single fate you would actually have a lot more content .

 

 

 

 

Healer/Tank gearing up faster then anyone is a given, since those two roles are less common then DPS in any MMO.  It just helps with this game is you can gear up for the other while you play.

After you level one job to level 50 you are not left with many quests to do without constant leve's or fates.  So I'm not seeing where you say you would have a lot more content.

With a level game you are left to farm and farm and farm which gets boring (unless you either make a new character or like to PvP).  You sped through to the end by doing fates so you fell into that trap of not pacing yourself to enjoy the game and found out what happens with most MMO's.  Lack of content at the end for players.  It happens, and with a new expansion those same people speed through to the new max level and complete the raids with-in a week and then demand more because of that reason.

Amazingly I'm finding Harvesting and some Crafting to be more fun then the other part.  Maybe it's just more to it then the previous MMO's I've played (just a little).

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