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OP  9/27/13 5:01:30 PM#21
Originally posted by Kaneth
Originally posted by Rockniss
Originally posted by Drakephire

OP I hear you. In fact, I've never purchased a GTA game because the gameplay seems far too sick for my tastes. One of my favorite youtube game commentators was playing through GTA and I watched about 5 minutes of it until he came across two firemen trying to open a door.  He randomly picked a fight with the firemen and then beat them to death.

Stopped watching after that.

 

Stuff like beating firemen, driving down a beach and plastering people, punching women, people and not children but adults already have a hard enough time realizing what is right and wrong. This just confuses them even more.

The fact that you don't like the subject matter of the game is one argument, but don't try to act like anything in GTA V is going to confuse anyone who is of their right mind. People who's minds are already skewed because of a mental disorder might be further confused by the content in GTA V, and frankly those types of folks should not be playing the game. However, anyone with their full mental capacity isn't going to all of a sudden say, "Ya know, I kill people in this game and get away with it. I'm going on a killing spree!".

I will say that even though I love the GTA series, I am getting a little tired of the lack of choice when it comes to story. You're always the criminal who rises to power through nefarious means. It would be really cool if they had the ability for you to play a detective who is pursuing a criminal, and you could choose to be a good cop (does things by the book) or even a dirty cop (borderline criminal). The sandbox elements of the series are fantastic, but they need to break their own mold a bit and move on from the whole "you're a criminal down on his luck, or bored, or gets dragged back into the life even though you want to get out, etc".

 

I like your ideas, I think with respect to people and full mental capacity, I dont know how long you been gaming, but the people in gaming lean heavy on the less than half mentality side of things. Look at the dumbing down of games, rediculous pay to win titles, and absolutely ignorant content such as scarlet blade and gta 5.
  Panther2103

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9/27/13 5:04:43 PM#22
Originally posted by Rockniss
Originally posted by Kaneth
Originally posted by Rockniss
Originally posted by Drakephire

OP I hear you. In fact, I've never purchased a GTA game because the gameplay seems far too sick for my tastes. One of my favorite youtube game commentators was playing through GTA and I watched about 5 minutes of it until he came across two firemen trying to open a door.  He randomly picked a fight with the firemen and then beat them to death.

Stopped watching after that.

 

Stuff like beating firemen, driving down a beach and plastering people, punching women, people and not children but adults already have a hard enough time realizing what is right and wrong. This just confuses them even more.

The fact that you don't like the subject matter of the game is one argument, but don't try to act like anything in GTA V is going to confuse anyone who is of their right mind. People who's minds are already skewed because of a mental disorder might be further confused by the content in GTA V, and frankly those types of folks should not be playing the game. However, anyone with their full mental capacity isn't going to all of a sudden say, "Ya know, I kill people in this game and get away with it. I'm going on a killing spree!".

I will say that even though I love the GTA series, I am getting a little tired of the lack of choice when it comes to story. You're always the criminal who rises to power through nefarious means. It would be really cool if they had the ability for you to play a detective who is pursuing a criminal, and you could choose to be a good cop (does things by the book) or even a dirty cop (borderline criminal). The sandbox elements of the series are fantastic, but they need to break their own mold a bit and move on from the whole "you're a criminal down on his luck, or bored, or gets dragged back into the life even though you want to get out, etc".

 

I like your ideas, I think with respect to people and full mental capacity, I dont know how long you been gaming, but the people in gaming lean heavy on the less than half mentality side of things. Look at the dumbing down of games, rediculous pay to win titles, and absolutely ignorant content such as scarlet blade and gta 5.

I'm pretty sure at this point you have to be trolling. You just stated that people who are in gaming have less than half the mentality of normal people? You sir are just ignorant.

  A.Blackloch

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Joined: 10/21/07
Posts: 840

"Choke on the smoke from my quill."

9/27/13 5:05:48 PM#23
Played it, liked it, can't wait for the online mode to start soon. It's just a game though, why the hell people even buy it if they're so soft skinned that they feel bad while playing it? Shouldn't you be playing stuff like... Mario? 

  Butch808

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9/27/13 5:07:53 PM#24
lol @ the moral high ground.
  jaybird50

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Joined: 9/18/10
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9/27/13 5:16:39 PM#25

I did the same thing. I knew that it was GTA and it was going to be offensive, but for some reason this one pissed me off.  For me it was not the fact that It was full of horrible things, it was that the game play mechanic was for me TO DO those horrible things. I dont believe in censorship. I think we can censor things with our bill folds, but I was actually concerned with the people who made the game...they are some twisted folks.

I was hoping that the innovation in game play and scope of the world would out weigh the ugly in that game. For me it was not worth it.  

It also make me sad that the lowest common denominator of society is usually evil. For example, I saw a recent story about a girl in Colorado that was a trafficking victim in Denver. She was chained to a bed and had over 200 men a week pay to "sleep" with her against her will. The tragedy is two- fold... the first what a horrible thing to happen to a person, the second was how terrible is it that there was a DEMAND for it.

 

I would love to see some innovation that adds beauty to life, not add to the huge garbage pile that we already have.

 

So yeah i returned it after a day.

  Drakephire

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9/27/13 6:01:09 PM#26
Originally posted by jaybird50

The tragedy is two- fold... the first what a horrible thing to happen to a person, the second was how terrible is it that there was a DEMAND for it.

 

I would love to see some innovation that adds beauty to life, not add to the huge garbage pile that we already have.

 

 

This is my feeling as well. I don't believe these games are going to cause most people to commit crimes. But what I do find sad is that there exists so much demand for such a game.  Why?  

Throughout history forms of storytelling have come and gone, but by and large these stories are about a hero doing the right thing. Those were our myths.  It isn't until relatively recently that we see the anti-hero...a protagonist who may do horrible acts but in the service of some more noble end. The ends justifying the means sort of theme. But with the likes of GTA, all pretense of any morale outcome is gone. The protagonists aren't even anti-heroes.  They're something lesser.

 

 

  Ikisis

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Joined: 1/23/09
Posts: 314

9/27/13 6:07:33 PM#27

I guess you guys dont get the humor thats made to make you stop and think about hey this is kinda a extreme version of reality?

Life Invader = Facebook

The views on women, Have you not saw any ad on any market with a women in it? No matter what it is its always got to be a "Perfect figured" Sounds like shes a idiot.

Its all one big joke on Marketing and the way the worlds progressing. Thats what i get from it anyways, is a entertaining way of saying Society is going down the tubes.  

  xeniar

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Joined: 11/09/06
Posts: 817

9/27/13 6:08:28 PM#28
Originally posted by Rockniss

I love consoles, but I hate this game. It's pure stupidity. It's just one wrong thing after another. That's how some folks are though I guess. I would rather play as a cop and fight crime. Despite the fact that I hate it, I played it enough to know it's fun, I just can't get past the immorality.

I played the older GTA's I think combining the fact that I am older now and maturity level has changed drastically and this game of course has pushed the limits yet again. i just couldn't bring myself to play it even though I wanted to. I had to sell it on ebay and get it out of my house.

Anyone feel the same way? or sell it off already?

oke so let me get this straight. Your playing a game called GTA (Grand Theft Auto) So its about stealing cars (well thats what it used to be about.) Anyway Your a bad MotherF....

So your critizizing the game for exactly what it should be? my god...

  Seelinnikoi

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9/27/13 6:10:35 PM#29
Originally posted by Tygranir
Originally posted by Seelinnikoi
Originally posted by Odinthedark1
...only use my PS3 for exclusives nowadays xD
 

Which GTAV is... lol

It is not exclusive to PS3.

He was talking in the context consoles / PC. So it is indeed a console exclusive, PS3 in his case.

Time to grab a book or two. :)

  CasaFranky

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9/27/13 6:16:01 PM#30

you are getting old and start to take everything serious...
ffs... its JUST A GAME!

  Swedish_Chef

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9/27/13 6:18:56 PM#31
Originally posted by Distopia
The main reason I avoid GTA titles is the mission structuring, it's always grown repetitive in little time for me. The same goes for most of it's ilk like the Mafia titles. One of the best I've played actually IMO was LA Noire. Simply because of it's adventure game investigation style missions. The only other exception was Red Dead Redemption. I think that was more the under used source material. I wish they played more like an RPG in that department, it would add much more to the side activities IMO.

I love Red Dead Redemption. Despite his faults, John Marston is a likable character, and unlike the 'protagonists' in the GTA series, you get the sense that deep down he actually is a good person who is just trying to atone for the bad decisions he made early in life. This rings especially true if you take the 'good' choices when presented, although taking the morally questionable (but oftimes more pragmatic) options doesn't take away too much from that feeling.

The protagonists in the GTA series on the other hand are just evil fucking bastards. Sure some have tragic backstories and whatnot, but at the end of the day they're criminals, thieves, and murderers who show little to no sign of ever making any serious attempts at becoming otherwise, and in fact often cause the downfall of anyone around them who is trying to do exactly that. This wasn't as much of a problem in the first 3-4 games due to their over-the-top & somewhat silly nature, but starting with San Andreas and striking full force in IV, the stories grabbed a ton of Max Payne-esque grit and started trying to portray things in a much more 'grimdark' manner. This is why many now prefer the Saint's Row games; sure there's some fairly grim subject matter there too, but so much in the game is played up for laughs that it's impossible to take things too seriously.

RDR had plenty of grim moments, but also mixed in a bit of silliness here and there (I'm Herbert MOOOOOONNN!!!). Plus the expansion DLC was good old fashioned B-movie camp.

Anyway, bottom line is that RDR sequel (someday, I hope) = good, but GTA V = Might pick it up someday for twenty bucks.

  Vapors

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9/27/13 6:32:03 PM#32
Originally posted by sfc1971

GTA has always been an amoral game to the point it is either just plain silly or a clever satire about gang culture.

San Andreas especially felt like it took the wanna-be-gangster culture, at first seeming to idolize it and then lampooning the hell out of it.

GTA is NOT real, it is a parody of movies like Pulp Fiction showing just how ridiculous such movies are.

Once you manage to look past the "gangster training game" claims of the media, its nature as a spoof becomes very clear, it is so over the top you can't possible believe it to be real, it is like a porn movie where the actress doesn't just fuck the pizza delivery guy endless people who ring her doorbell. One pizza guy is porn, the entire service industry is comedy. 

In a porn movie you can get away with one scene but in a porn game, the endless scenes would be idiotic, and that is what GTA is, a "crime" movie spun out to its natural conclusion which would be a distopian world with endless suffering where the truly insane are everyday characters.

Again, GTA is not real, it ain't a simulation, it is a gangster parody. This is what movie characters would really have to be like if a movie went on for days.

nice said and I see it like this. But actually the problem is most dont see the satire and just see the game super brutal and over the top (how the news on television see it aswell)

  psiic

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9/27/13 6:32:17 PM#33

Actually with the OP on this one.

 

People seem to have forgotten that with every right comes equal responsibility. 

 

Constitutional freedom's may give you the rights to make games like this, but you must be willing to accept responsibility.

 

We live in an age of anarchy, where we now have at the very least two generations of the most ignorant, violent, uneducated young people we have ever had. Not just on a national level, but on an international level as well. 

 

Most people either do not see, or refuse to see where we are heading as a society.

 

Civilization moves in cycles, as long as humanity has existed we have ages of enlightenment, followed by ages of destruction.

 

We are well into an age of destruction.

 

In historical correlation this game is like tossing Christians to the lions for the cheap thrill of the masses.  

 

That is where we are at as a society, the rulers tossing blood and violence to the masses.

 

Now it is up to us to decide if we are going to embrace it and be the animal, or become repulsed by it and be the man. 

 

 

  Kaneth

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9/27/13 7:10:09 PM#34
Originally posted by Rockniss
Originally posted by Kaneth
Originally posted by Rockniss
Originally posted by Drakephire

OP I hear you. In fact, I've never purchased a GTA game because the gameplay seems far too sick for my tastes. One of my favorite youtube game commentators was playing through GTA and I watched about 5 minutes of it until he came across two firemen trying to open a door.  He randomly picked a fight with the firemen and then beat them to death.

Stopped watching after that.

 

Stuff like beating firemen, driving down a beach and plastering people, punching women, people and not children but adults already have a hard enough time realizing what is right and wrong. This just confuses them even more.

The fact that you don't like the subject matter of the game is one argument, but don't try to act like anything in GTA V is going to confuse anyone who is of their right mind. People who's minds are already skewed because of a mental disorder might be further confused by the content in GTA V, and frankly those types of folks should not be playing the game. However, anyone with their full mental capacity isn't going to all of a sudden say, "Ya know, I kill people in this game and get away with it. I'm going on a killing spree!".

I will say that even though I love the GTA series, I am getting a little tired of the lack of choice when it comes to story. You're always the criminal who rises to power through nefarious means. It would be really cool if they had the ability for you to play a detective who is pursuing a criminal, and you could choose to be a good cop (does things by the book) or even a dirty cop (borderline criminal). The sandbox elements of the series are fantastic, but they need to break their own mold a bit and move on from the whole "you're a criminal down on his luck, or bored, or gets dragged back into the life even though you want to get out, etc".

 

I like your ideas, I think with respect to people and full mental capacity, I dont know how long you been gaming, but the people in gaming lean heavy on the less than half mentality side of things. Look at the dumbing down of games, rediculous pay to win titles, and absolutely ignorant content such as scarlet blade and gta 5.

I have been gaming for roughly 30 years (I am 35 and received my first Atari 2600 at 5). The "dumbing down" of gaming has nothing to do with mental capacity, and has everything to do with accessibility. Many companies seem more apt to release shallow games that are highly accessible, and release them in rapid succession (CoD is a good example of this). They are allowed to get away with this because it sells. However, the games that are instant classics, (such as anything from the ESO series, or Zelda or Final Fantasy, or TF2 or Sims, etc), tend to release a main game not very often and pour their blood, sweat and tears into the game. Many of those games either live a long lifespan because they are near utter perfection at launch, or because they receive a ton of support after the fact (look at the content added to any Sims).

One could argue that GTA series has fallen into the category of one of the instant classics, but there is always massive controversy that surrounds each of the games in the series (especially after 3). The potential problem with GTA V is that Rockstar focused too much on controversy and not enough on moving their own formula forward. I haven't played V yet personally so I can't judge this for myself (I am waiting for PC version, unless the wife buys it for me for the holidays).

I would argue that GTA V must be a great game, because many great games tend to polarize communities. People will love or hate the game, but they are ALL talking about it. Well played R*, well played.

  sacredfool

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9/27/13 7:21:33 PM#35

I disagree with the Op even though I dislike GTA games.

I have no problems with being a bastard in games, I often play evil characters. Games don't really affect anyones morality (unless they had issues beforehand) but morality is one of the reasons why I don't play GTA. I simply don't want to have anything to do with that "culture" even if it is just a game and I know it won't affect me in real life. 


Originally posted by nethaniah

Seriously Farmville? Yeah I think it's great. In a World where half our population is dying of hunger the more fortunate half is spending their time harvesting food that doesn't exist.


  Kaneth

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9/27/13 7:24:16 PM#36
Originally posted by psiic

Actually with the OP on this one.

 

People seem to have forgotten that with every right comes equal responsibility. 

 

Constitutional freedom's may give you the rights to make games like this, but you must be willing to accept responsibility.

 

We live in an age of anarchy, where we now have at the very least two generations of the most ignorant, violent, uneducated young people we have ever had. Not just on a national level, but on an international level as well. 

 

Most people either do not see, or refuse to see where we are heading as a society.

 

Civilization moves in cycles, as long as humanity has existed we have ages of enlightenment, followed by ages of destruction.

 

We are well into an age of destruction.

 

In historical correlation this game is like tossing Christians to the lions for the cheap thrill of the masses.  

 

That is where we are at as a society, the rulers tossing blood and violence to the masses.

 

Now it is up to us to decide if we are going to embrace it and be the animal, or become repulsed by it and be the man. 

 

 

I disagree. Never in the history of mankind have we had more relative peace. Yes there is conflict, especially in the Mid-East, but there aren't roving bands of bandits going around raping and pillaging en masse. In most areas of civilization you are able to travel in relative peace and not have to worry about being killed at random. Don't fall for the headlines of sensationalist news, as they make money off reporting on shocking things.

I would say that our rise in technology is creating a massive disconnect between the average person and the living world around them. When you go out, you'll see tons of people staring into their new master, the smartphone, but it's not all that different than when TV was king. The biggest difference is portability.

I'll also agree that violence in media has replaced gladiators of old, where people would go and watch other people get killed. Be in in games, or executions, hell even war. Would you rather people get a release of their baser more violent instincts via videogames, or do you want the Hunger Games to become real? Humans are predators, we are apex predators which is how we rose to such power through the animal kingdom, violence is part of our nature. If we survive long enough, perhaps we will evolve as a species to throw away our violent tendencies.

  Heretique

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9/27/13 7:27:54 PM#37
Originally posted by Rockniss
Originally posted by Drakephire

OP I hear you. In fact, I've never purchased a GTA game because the gameplay seems far too sick for my tastes. One of my favorite youtube game commentators was playing through GTA and I watched about 5 minutes of it until he came across two firemen trying to open a door.  He randomly picked a fight with the firemen and then beat them to death.

Stopped watching after that.

 

Stuff like beating firemen, driving down a beach and plastering people, punching women, people and not children but adults already have a hard enough time realizing what is right and wrong. This just confuses them even more.

 

Thanks for the laugh, no sane person would be confused on what is "right and wrong" by playing a video game.

Originally posted by salsa41
are you have problem ?

  NagelRitter

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9/27/13 7:33:07 PM#38

That's actually the reason I haven't really looked at these games at all.

Even all the immorality stuff aside, I don't find that engaging.

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  Swedish_Chef

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Bort bort bort!

9/27/13 9:11:27 PM#39
Originally posted by psiic

Actually with the OP on this one.

 

People seem to have forgotten that with every right comes equal responsibility. 

Sadly, all too many people do this these days.

 Constitutional freedom's may give you the rights to make games like this, but you must be willing to accept responsibility.

Agreed, but to be fair Rockstar has never, to my knowledge, denied responsibility. Maybe during the SA 'hot coffee' incident, but to be fair to them access to the unfinished 'sex scene' was entirely user created by following a very specific set of steps.

 We live in an age of anarchy, where we now have at the very least two generations of the most ignorant, violent, uneducated young people we have ever had. Not just on a national level, but on an international level as well. 

Partly agreed. My own generation has its share of scary specimens, but the millennials positively terrify me. They have little moral guidance from either parental, secular, or religious sources. Even many of the popular sports stars these days are little more than convicted murderers, rapists, drunk drivers, etc. who happen to be able to run fast, and / or toss a ball through a net (or whatever scoring mechanism the game they play uses) better than the average human. I'm not saying the sports stars of yesteryear were all saints, but back then it was the exception, not the rule. You sure as hell have a hard time finding one worthy of being a role model like Isaiah Thomas or Vladmir Konstantinov, for example.

Anyway back on topic, I feel the worst thing by far is the complete and utter lack of accountability & responsibility they demonstrate. Society has told them that nothing is their fault. Lose the ballgame? You don't need to practice & get better, you're special even if you lost (and of course, losing means nothing)!

Get drunk and run over a boy scout troop while driving home with a BAC of 8.7? It's the bartender's fault for serving you! Sue him and ruin his / her life because of your screwup! Or if at a party, it's the host's fault for not owning a breathalyzer machine & testing you before letting you leave! Sue them!

Did you laze your way through college, drinking to excess, screwing as many women (or men, or both) as you could while getting your liberal arts degree, only to find that all the time and money spent on it only guarantees you a future in the food service industry or at TMZ (seriously, who the fuck watches that utter garbage)? It's not your fault for picking a terrible major, it's the system's fault! Blame the government! Blame Wall Street! It's not fair! Every job should be equally viable regardless of need! Watch Michael Moore films full of half-truths and bullshit & contribute to his $100 million net worth, all while denying he's part of the 1%!!!

And so on. I could give examples for probably a hundred pages. Scary stuff.

Most people either do not see, or refuse to see where we are heading as a society.

Or just don't care. Or expect someone else to fix it (because it's not their fault, you see). Regardless, I agree.

 Civilization moves in cycles, as long as humanity has existed we have ages of enlightenment, followed by ages of destruction.

We are well into an age of destruction.

I wouldn't say we're quite there yet, but if the attitude, apathy, and irresponsibility running rampant these days isn't corrected, then our species is indeed royally screwed, barring divine intervention (and God knows I've been praying for that quite literally, heh).

 In historical correlation this game is like tossing Christians to the lions for the cheap thrill of the masses.  

As a Christian, I have to say that's taking it a bit far. I would say that, in combination with the issues above combined with the growing disconnect with reality our species as a whole is suffering (of course that depends on what one defines as reality, but that's a whole different topic), it could become problematic. As it is though I feel violent video games are a very healthy way of taking out frustration (Dark Souls not included, that game is great but has the opposite effect). It's the same effect as playing a sport or heading down to the shooting range for an hour. For a healthy person all have mental health benefits (and possible physical ones), and I don't see that changing... for a while, anyway.

 That is where we are at as a society, the rulers tossing blood and violence to the masses.

Not yet, but getting close. The U.N. & U.S. leaders seem to enjoy tossing soldiers into the middle east these days though.

 Now it is up to us to decide if we are going to embrace it and be the animal, or become repulsed by it and be the man. 

Again, a little extreme, but I agree with the sentiment behind it.

 

Ugh, this ended up much longer then planned. Apologies for that. Also, please don't assume any political party preference or even predominantly left / right philosophical stance, as I hold views from both sides of the fence.

I will say though that both major U.S. political parties (and all foreign ones, for that matter) can kiss the fattest, whitest part of my ass. They've all played their part in the sorry as hell state of society & politics today.

  ray12k

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