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9/27/13 10:41:39 AM#41
I kinda have to cringe at a logevity score of 10. Sure you can play all classes on a single character but as it stands now, getting to max level on any job is fast. Also there isn't a lot to do in the game as far as content so I am willing to bet player retention and sub numbers will show that the score is unjust. Either way thank you for sharing the review.

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9/27/13 10:44:09 AM#42

Originally posted by Rockniss

Good scoreing and right on with that ability lag. I really really wish that it wasnt present, I cant get past it, but if you're someone who can, this is a great place to call home.

i think they are still working on it this engine is pretty new to be honest tho. its even excepted as a bug



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9/27/13 10:47:14 AM#43
Originally posted by azonic69
Originally posted by Tissmogi
Originally posted by Rockniss
Good scoreing and right on with that ability lag. I really really wish that it wasnt present, I cant get past it, but if you're someone who can, this is a great place to call home.

I don't know what crappy internet you people have but i have zero skill lag and i play from Europe. Maybe want to check out your provider.

Dude, EVERYONE has the ability lag, that you can't see it or understand what it is doesn't mean that it's not there. Maybe want to check your IQ.

It's not an ability lag, it's waiting for your animation to finish before you can use that ability if you used a skill before.  It's how they desinged it, it's not like other games where you can interrupt the animations and use all your skills in less then a second.  Some people like it, some people don't.


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9/27/13 10:47:23 AM#44

Hard to review mmos. They are in constant flux. Id say this game has a very solid foundation to build on. Seeing what Yoshida did in two years makes me optimistic for decent content updates at a good pace.

You cannot deny this game has a soul, which has been elusive in other promising mmos. It is a charming world that pulls me in every time I log on.

Crafting/gathering/economy is a 10. Housing in the first patch is an 11 haha!


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9/27/13 10:56:09 AM#45
Originally posted by Foomerang

Hard to review mmos. They are in constant flux. Id say this game has a very solid foundation to build on. Seeing what Yoshida did in two years makes me optimistic for decent content updates at a good pace.

You cannot deny this game has a soul, which has been elusive in other promising mmos. It is a charming world that pulls me in every time I log on.

Crafting/gathering/economy is a 10. Housing in the first patch is an 11 haha!


Sure it's hard to review anything, it does however help if you can keep to consistent standards that are actually informative about whatever it is you are reviewing.  It would also be rather beneficial to separate subjective things from tangible things and weight them accordingly into an overall score instead of making it up as you go along every time.


Frankly if you were unsure or uniformed about FF before; this article helped you not at all



Looks great(subjective); will last forever(personal projection); plays like crap(tangible experience of the reviewer) we give it an 8...what? <---the takeaway someone unfamiliar with the game will derive from this article


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9/27/13 11:03:27 AM#46

Several things you somehow left out.


The first one is the very first you see when you log in.  Gold Sellers.  Spamming at warp speed, unlike any other game that has ever been released.  You cannot use general chat, at the city zones.  You have to turn it off.  So right off the bat, you have to take the MMO out of the game and make it a single player game.  Your screen will scroll by so fast with /shouts and /tells and you cannot even right click to ignore the person.  You cannot scroll up, because the new shout takes you right to the end of the text.  There is a way to add them to the blacklist, but it is not easy and they just make a new character in 5 minutes.


They have done nothing about this.  It's depressing.  It kills the ability to communicate with other players right away.  Also, they could add chat bubbles.  For some reason this game has no chat bubbles...../boggle.


The second thing you will notice is that when (not if) you start working on other combat classes for your character you have no more quests to do.  So in a themepark game where the entire point is to level to max level via quest have none.  You do the quests on your main class, that is it.  No more questing for you.  You could do battle leves, but the EXP is pathetic.  You could do dungeon runs, but the EXP is not very good and the wait is a long time. 

So you are stuck grinding FATES, which are nothing more than watered down GW2 heart quests.  They all involve "kill 5 of these mobs" type of things.  In fact, all of the regular quests are "kill X rats".  You have a main class quest for each class and a main region class that you do every 5 levels, which is fun....but the rest, ugh. 


They wanted to copy WOW, they copied WOW.....but the whole reason to play this game is 1) Because its FF and 2) because you can multi class....yet they do not even have a proper leveling mechanic for leveling your alt classes.


Grinding FATES is awful.  You literally just follow a mass of people, and solo the same event every else is soloing.  Sounds a lot like GW2.  You will find it hard to get a hit in before mobs start to die.  Just stand in a spot and AOE if you can, and get 3000 EXP or so, then move to the next FATE, rinse and repeat 15 times per get the idea.


The last part you touched on.  The lag.  There is a big problem with lag in this game.  You sort of figure out the timing mechanism with the red circles of doom and how to interact with them with that second of so lag.


They have some technical issues with the servers and it does not look like it is an easy fix.


This is a very good game if you are looking for something for a few months and graphically it runs great.  Actually, it runs really great.


I am not sold on the longevity.  There is not a whole lot of content, the zones are puny, and you will find it difficult to level an alternate combat class.  There are some design issues they need to think about.


Crafting is great though.  It's not in the category as SWG, Vanguard or Horizons...but it is a lot better than every other themepark MMO's crafting.  And crafting via the crafting leves is excellent experience.  Just turn in HQ items.  I leveled all my crafts to 15 to get each class' special really helps.  You will not sell any battle gear, but you will sell crafting gear.....


Good game, not great.  I will play it until Elder Scrolls and EQ Next come along.


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9/27/13 11:12:25 AM#47
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by Alamareth

I've heard a couple things about this "ability lag", but no one in my FC experiences it consistently.  I can expand that same statement to a half dozen link shells and dozens more in the friend list.  It's probably not as widespread as the review hints.  There is lag, but it's pretty agnostic about who lags and when.

In my FC ability lag is server side and its very obvious when it happens as it affects all party members in different parts of US with different ISPs.

Example in dungeon - boss puts a red circle on ground - we all run out of it and all is fine, but every once in a while the game PAUSES for all of us (Roadrunner, ATT, Comcast, Google Fiber - different providers) - after the game unpauses (about 1 sec) we all get hit even 2 of us where not even CLOSE to the damn circle.

This is completely random when it happens, sometimes we have dungeon runs with no issues and sometimes it happens several times per run.

its a bug


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9/27/13 11:12:47 AM#48

sorry but i dont agree with these scores

game should get 10 if its realy epic 5 is average 1 is total crap

and FFAR is far from epic


so the score should be 7/5/5/6/5/4/7

giving a score of 5.5


FFAR is new game but dont bring anything that we didnt saw before


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9/27/13 11:14:50 AM#49

Originally posted by Vivasvan

If there is raiding and gear to get then the longevity is 10.

If you reach 50 and you think you still should be questing at the endgame then you need to stop playing mmorpg's.

Seriously. the endgame is all about raiding. Not Questing... Sheesh some people

Except that even raiding and getting that gear is pretty easy to do and takes little to no time. I am sure they will be adding stuff in the future that will change this but as it stands now it isn't hard nor does it take long to achieve raid gear. Since the review is based on what is present in the game now and not on what is promised in the future then I can only add my 2 cents to the longevity score.  If you can't understand the difference maybe you should reframe from making asinine comments.

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9/27/13 11:39:21 AM#50

My biggest complaint is lag in general. NPCs take forever on the legacy server I'm on. Granted it could be my dual-core PC but late, late hours it's not as bad (when server population is low).

Last night I failed an easy grand company leve because of lag.


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9/27/13 11:42:44 AM#51

Thank god this review finally came out so we don't have to deal with the whining caused by people thinking the FFXIV 1.0 score is the score for ARR.

Now we only have to deal with the hardcore few who will lambast you for not giving it 10/10.


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9/27/13 11:46:38 AM#52
I look forward to the FRONTLINE expansion.

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9/27/13 11:56:54 AM#53

Originally posted by Tissmogi

Originally posted by Rockniss

Good scoreing and right on with that ability lag. I really really wish that it wasnt present, I cant get past it, but if you're someone who can, this is a great place to call home.

I don't know what crappy internet you people have but i have zero skill lag and i play from Europe. Maybe want to check out your provider.

I agree, fix your connection dude or get a program that will do it for you like WTFast or Battleping...

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9/27/13 12:01:40 PM#54

I agree with everything on the review, except the longevity, innovation, and value score.

With longevity, the game is extremly linear and many of the aspects are quickly negated or rendered useless or subpar. This currently includes crafting, gathering, and most of endgame as you progress, might change as the game progresses but this is what I see at endgame now. Currently the endgame is also very lacking and anti guild in design which I feel is a big motivator of keeping people playing, the community and guild. But on the flip side the massive content updates and speed at which they are coming means the game is going to get alot of content. The next big patch is almost a mini expansion worth of content.

I would of gave longevity a 7/10. I feel in the mmo world many of the older mmos had much more longevity by design, if you ignore older mmos then yea a 10 maby most new mmos have no longevity at all.


Value is a 9/10 in my opinion.

I think it is an injustice to drop a value score even 1 point due to it costing a sub. Nothing is free, honestly F2P is a marketing term. You are not getting the game free you are paying by the piece instead getting everything at once. Currently the cost to play XIV:ARR is lower then all other mmos out there. IT cost the same to play ARR a month as it does to get 3-4 vanity items in a  fp2 mmo or about 3-4hrs of 50% bonus xp/drop rate.

People need to factor in the cost of a f2p game to play without restriction or penalties then compare it to the p2p game's fee, most f2p game will cost the player $20-$70/month to play without restrictions. Sure a sub will cause many people to not try it that I agree with. But that does not detract from the value of the game at all.

If they plan to continue releasing massive content patches every 3 months then it is sure worth it. Not even WoW releases that much stuff. Have to see if SE can keep it up though.

So lower cost to have access to everything then any other mmo on the market, dirt cheap box cost, free ps4 upgrade for ps3 ppl. Constant large content updates scheduled. Seems like a darn good value to me.


I do not understand the 7/10 on innovation. It is a 0... seriously it is a 0. Maby a 1-3 if you look at crafting and gathering but other games have indept crafting too.

Everything in FFXIV:ARR has been done before some where else nothing is innovating. Even the multi-class system is in XI. The game is a photo copy of multiple mmos put into 1 game with a ton of polish and adapted extremly well into the FF world.

That being said innovation should not be even be scored seperatly in my opinion... innovation does not make a game good or even worth playing in the end. Infact most of the mmos that are claiming they are innovating the genre... the games fail. Innovation should be woven into the gameplay review or other areas. If the innovation is done well it should enhance the gameplay score.

Innovation does little to make a game good, all it can do is enhance it. The best game in the genre could easily have 0 innovation if it does everything else better then other games and it is more enjoyable.


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9/27/13 12:08:10 PM#55
I personally found the ability lag to be a nice touch. It gives a different perspective on "instant" abilities and makes more sense.

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9/27/13 12:37:48 PM#56

This review could have used a Presentation and Accessibility as a meter for reviewing as well. Both aspects are easily a 10 for this game.

It would be also a good way to make out the trolls spouting their lies in the comments. If you give either anything but 10 everyone can see how much weight their opinions really have.

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9/27/13 12:45:23 PM#57

LOL yall make me laugh ... nothing to do at 50, and the game is easy????  "A Relic Reborn" to get your relic weapon... oh and then once you do all the hard mode primal fights and countless other things you need to complete your relic,  Dragon's Coil opens up... 5 tiers of fucking hard as shit...... get your AF+2  just to get it replaced by Allagan armor from Dragon's Coil...... 


I love when people hit 50 stop leveling and look around like "what the shit do i do now?" 

So i will help you out.

1. Start "A Relic Reborn"

2. Grind  Praetorium or CM for tomes of Philosophy

3. Get some Darklight gear from Mor Dhona.

3.  Continue work on "A Relic Reborn".  Kill the Chimera, and gain access to Amdapor Keep

4. Run Amdapor keep to build more tomes of philosophy and also Mythology be sure to cap your 300 for the week as you will need these later.

5. Continue "A relic Reborn" and fight Hydra!

6. Buy more Darklight and some AF+2  some parts are only 485 myth tomes!

7. Beat  Ifrit Hard Mode for your relic

8. Beat Garuda Hard Mode for your relic

9 Beat Titan Hard Mode for your relic  ( you will need full DL for this, or you're fucked)

10. Unlock your relic and thus unlock the true end game... Dragons Coil here you come.


AND by the time you finish all this jazz,  2.1 will launch the 24 man dungeon "Crystal Tower" will open its doors, you will get player and FC housing, PVP will make its appearance in Wolves Den. and last but not least, my personal favorite.... More Primals, i think Ramuh and Leviathan shall show up, and will be harder then titan.....



SO there you go people,  now quit bitchin bout no end game.



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We can only show them the path, but they have to be the ones to take it.

9/27/13 12:55:00 PM#58

Originally posted by DMKano

Aesthetics IMO should be 9 (textures are really bad in some spots - no way this deserves 10) longevity should be 8 - social 7.

Innovation 7? Why? IMO should be 6.

Overall the score IMO is around 7.3, again the game was scored too generous.

Its a good game just scored about 1 point too high.


Good scores means the company may be willing to fork over money for more publicity. It was a well written post to ensure the longevity of

Boycotting EA. Why? They suck, even moreso since 2008.


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I don't like your pants.

9/27/13 1:36:50 PM#59
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

1M Subs after 30 days is meaningless until you compare it to the boxed sales. The number that was important was how many people had canceled their subs 1 month in.  So 1 mil subs after 30 days is a lot, but considering they sold 2M boxes, now the number isn't so impressive.Unfortunately, I've no idea what FF's numbers are beyond just over 1M initial accounts. But I can tell you that as recently as earlier this week, I was still seeing log in queues. The next milestone date will be 10/7 since mos tof the free time is over on 10/6.


It doesn't matter how much you spin or coat it, 1Mil is and always will be exactly that, 1Mil.


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9/27/13 2:16:17 PM#60

(nearly) Everyone respects a good comeback.  For you "old school" EQ1 inspired MMO players, you'll find a lot to like about FF 14.  Its an enchanting world full of detail that's rendered beautifully.  The character storyline is enjoyable and pertinent, and the cut scenes add to the experience.  Unlike other MMOs the character development and story progression keeps the pace going well.

Don't let the sour grape, fault finding, mini chorus sway you.  This is a very good MMO where it's  PVE focus is rewarding in itself.   FF14 is a good deal of fun to explore in every way.  The review is accurate.  Consider it a welcome call for those that my be on the fence to finding a new place in Eorzea.


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