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  tom_gore

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9/27/13 2:08:01 AM#41
Originally posted by NaughtyP

Personal story in MMORPGS... the least cost-effective content in all of gaming! VO! Animations and cut scenes galore! Super easy so anyone can breeze through it! It's the last thing a developer should want to create. Having to sink loads of resources and staff into something that can be completed fast and easy. Imo, they would be better off investing that money into interesting game systems with high replay value than something that seems like a big "one and done". It's a surefire way to sell lots of boxes and retain no subscribers... which quite honestly could be the goal in some cases lol.

Indeed. But that's what the genre has devolved into. Both developers and gamers have been funneled into thinking that the only way to make an MMO is that the developers create content and the players consume it. Sandbox games are pretty much dead at this point, if we don't count EVE, which in turn has it's own problems that prevent it from becoming more popular.

Instead of giving players lots of content, the developers could give them lots of tools (or systems, as you put it) instead. With those tools, the multitude of players could create their own stories and their own content, effectively freeing the developer to work on more tools and more systems. This is practically exactly how the development of Ultima Online went forward. I dare to wager it had a budget that is a fraction of modern AAA MMOs, but it still managed to hold more than 200k subscribers for years. Something even SWTOR could not achieve, with its massive budget.

Currently I am hoping that ArcheAge and EQNext will be the next games to take this different approach, although neither of them will probably launch very soon.

 

  baphamet

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9/27/13 3:33:25 AM#42


Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by baphamet options are good, why get rid of something that people enjoy? just because you don't like it doesn't mean other people don't.
 

Probably because it isnt actually optional for people who don't like it. Sure in SWTOR you could just not do it, but you are severely lowering your experience and rewards. Also you need to do the quests to get your companions.

In FFXIV you need to do the story to unlock dungeons, mounts and other things.

Everyone gets spoon fed this crap about being the most powerful being in the whole world (and is then surrounded by thousands of other players who got told the exact same thing).

The very existance of these solo epic stories ruin the world and immersion for many players. There are plenty of single player games we can fill that niche far better than a MMO ever can.


every game doesn't have to be tailor made to fit your personal play style and taste, does it?

that's what i mean by options, as in different games with different features. some can have the story content and be more themepark like and others can go a more traditional mmo route with more social aspects and not as much scripting.

options are good for everyone.

  Morrok

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Joined: 12/26/08
Posts: 132

9/27/13 6:12:32 AM#43


Originally posted by tom_gore
Story doesn't make a game into an RPG. Role Playing does.


Well, how do you RP if there's no story, no background?
Is the roleplaying of an Elf the same in a AD&D setting as it is in a LotR setting?
Or does a AD&D Elf RP the same like a Shadowrun Elf?
I think not.

You need to have a story to place your RP *ON*.
That's why in a well-led P&P RPG you are asked by your master to develop a background story for your char.



Originally posted by tom_gore
RPG is born from player interaction, where both parties can react to any number of situations and adapt accordingly.


My first reaction to this was "bullshit".
My second (and "official") reaction is: Well, not quite.

MMORPGs originally *substituted* the RP-player-group.
Depending on how "free" the NPCs are programmed (and granted, they're not coded all too flexibly in most MMOs) your RP has influence on or even a defning quality to your gaming experience even if there's NO player-interaction involved.
That's why factions have entered the games, although faction systems could be (much) more detailed.



Originally posted by tom_gore
Unfortunately the gaming crowd of today has been fed lies and substandard products for years and today most consider RPG to mean increasing stats on your character sheet and a modicum of ready-chewed story.


Sorry to have to say it, but this is utter bull.
What you describe above is called "progression", not role-playing.

But true, in recent years less and less effort was invested in "story".
If i might remind people of EQ back in Kunark or Velious times, back there "story" (and which "route" you followed, faction-choices you made) actually mattered for your gameplay experience.
But in Luclin, this was lessened and it was basically non-existant ever since PoP, where both story and progression became quite linear and faction choices were either not existant or didn't "carry over".



Originally posted by tom_gore
The difference is that no story is truly Personal unless you make it yourself.


"personal story" to ME is what your char has encountered, what formed how you play him.
Player-created stuff is nice, but unless we're talking P&P roleplaying, it doesn't MATTER.
That's why "true RP" has been all but abandoned in basically all MMO's, in favor of "professionalism" and min/maxing.

  Neo_Viper

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Joined: 5/10/13
Posts: 624

If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong.

9/27/13 8:35:24 AM#44
Maybe getting rid of those would get rid of a few of the people who play those games as single player games and pull the whole genre down the drain...

My computer is better than yours.

  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 20226

10/01/13 11:58:08 AM#45
Originally posted by Neo_Viper
Maybe getting rid of those would get rid of a few of the people who play those games as single player games and pull the whole genre down the drain...

"Down the drain" is subjective. Down the drain for you, fun for many others.

It is a free world. Devs are free to choose their audience.

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