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  strangepowers

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9/26/13 9:16:46 PM#41


Originally posted by ReallyNow10
Acclimation.

 

That's my way, anyway.  Putting on some old Disney DVD's and getting in the mood.  How are the rest of you coming to terms with the new art style?


I'm an animator, it comes with an inherent love for cartoons.

I always find it humorous when folks make bias statements about cartoons and try to associate them solely with children.

Every time I read "I'm too grown to enjoy cartoon graphics" on these forums I immediately envision some kid in their 20's trying to put on a false air of maturity.

The scary part is one day the world will be run by adults who were never spanked as kids and got trophies just for participating.

  Vlhad77

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9/26/13 9:20:51 PM#42
i could care less about graphics, only thing important to me is gameplay and content in the game.
  strangepowers

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9/26/13 9:21:38 PM#43


Originally posted by Artean

Originally posted by dwarfkinglords i love it.. whats your problem? i love dreamworks and pixar movies too,    go look at realistic mmos and see how ugly and unapealing they are.. eso and eq1 or 2?    how the hell do you see this as a down side... dont play it then, move the hell on   League of legends has a very cartoony stylized graphics and its the biggest game in the world, so is blizzards style which iis very popular..    
Great. But wait until you get into your twenties and you might feel differently.

Just wait till you get into your thirties and you realize what a dumb-ass you were in your 20's...

Seriously this pretense of "maturity" is hilarious. I suppose you know that the folks who create this media are... you got it, adults! You think they don't like it, they just do it for a paycheck?

I agree with a prior poster about you just turning 20 recently yourself and have this insecure need to separate yourself form your child peers...ooh so grown, your a big boy now!

The scary part is one day the world will be run by adults who were never spanked as kids and got trophies just for participating.

  Geeky

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9/26/13 9:37:52 PM#44
I've written this game off due to the graphic art style.  And I was a huge fan of EQ and an even bigger one of EQ2.
  Sovrath

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9/26/13 9:52:49 PM#45

Though I prefer realistic art design there is a novelty to stylized design.

As long as one drops their expectations and accepts it for what it is there shouldn't be a problem.

  FlawSGI

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9/26/13 9:57:22 PM#46
Originally posted by BradD77
i could care less about graphics, only thing important to me is gameplay and content in the game.

I agree with this message 100%. I used to judge games on their graphics and aesthetics until my wife talked me into playing games that I previously felt were inferior to what I was playing. I am so glad I did because they have been some of the best experiences. I have found over the years that just playing the game is enough to allow my senses to get used to the game and it doesn't look bad after a few hours of playtime. 

RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.

  FlawSGI

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9/26/13 9:58:15 PM#47
Originally posted by strangepowers

 


Originally posted by Artean

Originally posted by dwarfkinglords i love it.. whats your problem? i love dreamworks and pixar movies too,    go look at realistic mmos and see how ugly and unapealing they are.. eso and eq1 or 2?    how the hell do you see this as a down side... dont play it then, move the hell on   League of legends has a very cartoony stylized graphics and its the biggest game in the world, so is blizzards style which iis very popular..    
Great. But wait until you get into your twenties and you might feel differently.

 

Just wait till you get into your thirties and you realize what a dumb-ass you were in your 20's...

Seriously this pretense of "maturity" is hilarious. I suppose you know that the folks who create this media are... you got it, adults! You think they don't like it, they just do it for a paycheck?

I agree with a prior poster about you just turning 20 recently yourself and have this insecure need to separate yourself form your child peers...ooh so grown, your a big boy now!

Lol as a 34 year old I approve this message.

RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.

  nisrak

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9/26/13 10:10:41 PM#48

If you honestly take yourself so seriously that you can't enjoy anything that isn't "realistic" looking, you may want to re-think playing fantasy RPGs. 

These are some good points that it may be the younger players that are insisting on "gritty" and "realistic" graphics to overcompensate.  It's ironic that more stylized and "cartoonish" graphics may keep the younger/less mature players away.

  Artean

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9/27/13 10:59:32 AM#49
Kids, relax. Your joy for Disney themes will eventually come to an end. Don't fight it. In a few years from now, most of you will understand.

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  Sengi

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9/27/13 4:40:25 PM#50
Originally posted by strangepowers

I'm an animator, it comes with an inherent love for cartoons.

I always find it humorous when folks make bias statements about cartoons and try to associate them solely with children.

Every time I read "I'm too grown to enjoy cartoon graphics" on these forums I immediately envision some kid in their 20's trying to put on a false air of maturity.

 

I think you are misunderstanding this discussion. Nobody said that that all cartoons where bad. I don't think one could honestly say that. Cartoons are such a wide subject. It would be like saying: "I hate all music".

This discussion is about the fact that one specific cartoon style does not fit for one specific game.

 

You also have to consider what kind of specific art style this is. Its looks like the 3D recreation of a traditional western cartoon, more specific Disney and if you want to be even more specific, it bears an uncanny resembles to the Star Wars - The Clone Wars TV-show.

This kind of art style has its very specific niche. It yields all kinds of associations. Wherever I see this kind of art I expect slap stick humour and a kind of schmaltzy story.

I don't want to say that i didn't respect classical Disney movie for what they are, but I think there is a reason Pixar changed the art style slightly for its more mature films like Up.

 

If video games have cartoony graphics the players immediately expects that this is going to be a game that doesn't takes itself very serious and concentrates on short term fun. The graphics form Super Mario Bros. tell the player that the he shouldn't ponder on the question why this plumber wants to save the princess, but that the whole purpose of the game is running from left to right.

This is not the case for games that have a very artistic style like Okami or Limbo, or games whose art style is stylised jet gritty like The walking Dead.

 

The more is revealed of the game the more it seems to me shat the art style fits into a broader theme that the game has. You can jump around like a bouncy ball and you don't have to commit to a single class. You can be a warrior this minute an a wizard the next. It seems they want to concentrate solely on short term fun. I really hope they are not aiming for some sort of 50/50 mix of Everquest and Free Realms, that would be nothing but betrayal. They have these amazing tools a great franchise at their hands but it would all be wasted it they still make a forgettable game out of it.

  nisrak

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9/27/13 6:15:34 PM#51
Originally posted by Sengi

 

I think you are misunderstanding this discussion. Nobody said that that all cartoons where bad. I don't think one could honestly say that. Cartoons are such a wide subject. It would be like saying: "I hate all music".

This discussion is about the fact that one specific cartoon style does not fit for one specific game.

People in these discussions are saying that they hate "cartoony" graphics with no talk about how it relates to this game.  Even if they mean they dont like this type of cartoon, by your analogy that is like saying "I hate all pop music".  I guess that opinion is valid but it's not going to make Katy Perry stop making pop music.

You also have to consider what kind of specific art style this is. Its looks like the 3D recreation of a traditional western cartoon, more specific Disney and if you want to be even more specific, it bears an uncanny resembles to the Star Wars - The Clone Wars TV-show.

This kind of art style has its very specific niche. It yields all kinds of associations. Wherever I see this kind of art I expect slap stick humour and a kind of schmaltzy story.

I don't want to say that i didn't respect classical Disney movie for what they are, but I think there is a reason Pixar changed the art style slightly for its more mature films like Up.

"Up" has extremely stylized art, buts long as it doesn't remind you of The Clone Wars it's fine?

If video games have cartoony graphics the players immediately expects that this is going to be a game that doesn't takes itself very serious and concentrates on short term fun.

Again I point to the early post of the Ogre models from EQ1.  Quite stylized and rather cartoony, but nothing in EQ1 was short-term fun.  I don't think its fair to make broad gameplay assumptions based on a few glances at the art.

  HighMarshal

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9/27/13 6:22:22 PM#52
I really do wish that the people who are bound and determined to hate the art in EQNext no matter what, would be just as bound and determined to STFU!
  Artean

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9/28/13 2:36:40 AM#53
Originally posted by HighMarshal
I really do wish that the people who are bound and determined to hate the art in EQNext no matter what, would be just as bound and determined to STFU!

Let me take a wild guess: wont happend. Should they/we? Absolutely not. Would I keep my voice down if, lets say, Slayer where to release "Rap style power ballads"? Nope.

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  daltanious

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9/28/13 3:09:55 AM#54
Originally posted by Creslin321

I never had an issue with it...

But really, if people like Bioshock Infinite, I don't see why they would have an issue with this...the art styles (Elizabeth) are very similar.

I had ... have started with wow only with BC just because on friends computer all looked too childish, they also had pretty low end computers with low end resolution of course ... started wow (under suggestion of few friends) after being disappointed by all the rest or have lost grip in month or so ... and boy, what a discovery! Never played better game, more fun, ... and suddenly realized that I'm not bothered anymore by "cartoony" style ... actually .. can not immagine to play wow without that great style. To be honest ... nearly ALL games have more or less cartoony look ... just could never adapt. I can remember only 1 game that have totally cartoony look and is great, CO. All the rest felt fast very outdated, war, aoc, ....

  Sengi

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9/28/13 11:43:54 AM#55
Originally posted by nisrak

People in these discussions are saying that they hate "cartoony" graphics with no talk about how it relates to this game.  Even if they mean they dont like this type of cartoon, by your analogy that is like saying "I hate all pop music".  I guess that opinion is valid but it's not going to make Katy Perry stop making pop music.

 

"Up" has extremely stylized art, buts long as it doesn't remind you of The Clone Wars it's fine?

 

Again I point to the early post of the Ogre models from EQ1.  Quite stylized and rather cartoony, but nothing in EQ1 was short-term fun.  I don't think its fair to make broad gameplay assumptions based on a few glances at the art.

 

Ok, maybe other people said something like this. I agree with you that this is wrong and they probably haven't thought that trough. As I said I like Disney movies.

A fitting analogy would be if the soundtrack to EQN was Katy Perry. It wouldn't even like it if it was some sort of pop music that I love. That I like something in general doesn't mean I want it in EQN.

 

No, I had the same complaints if EQN looked like Up. What I wanted to say is that even tough Pixar was taken over by Disney in 2006 its films have a distinctive art style, that is different from the one you see in films done by Disney Animation Studios like Tangled, and they often touch on mature topics like death.

 

I admit that many things from EQ seem kind of cartoony if you look at them today, but the same is true for games like Quake (1996) and Counter Strike (1999). And those where considered to be very realistic back then. They where even banned in several countries. Back in the day 3D graphics where still very simple and there was nothing that could be called realistic by today's standards.

  donpopuki

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9/28/13 12:05:47 PM#56
Like the EQN look as opposed to a realistic shit-stain style. Doing animations in a realistic style usually is unconvincing.
  MadDemon64

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9/28/13 12:17:58 PM#57
Originally posted by ReallyNow10

Acclimation.

 

That's my way, anyway.  Putting on some old Disney DVD's and getting in the mood.  How are the rest of you coming to terms with the new art style?

Playing Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker.  It is the perfect example of what EQN is probably going to be: cartoony graphics that people initially hated due to a "Trukk not Munky" mentality, judging it before it even came out, and then loving it and singing its praises after playing it, holding it high in regard as one of the best, if not the best, in the franchise.

Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  Reklaw

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9/28/13 12:25:27 PM#58
Originally posted by ReallyNow10

Acclimation.

 

That's my way, anyway.  Putting on some old Disney DVD's and getting in the mood.  How are the rest of you coming to terms with the new art style?

I am a gamer, I already addept when needed, aslong the gameplay is fun and exciting and can go allot of way's. If a game is cartoony and humor aimed at little kids or other feature's aimed at the child mind then I will pass.

Still not sure why we have gamers against certain art style. Of course nothing wrong to have love for a speciic art style and dislike for other art style's.

But it really comes done to the gameplay. And it amazes me to see many "veteran" MMOrpg players being so against the art-style EQN has taken. As the veteran are often the loudest to preach gameplay over graphics.

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  baphamet

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9/29/13 12:24:39 PM#60


Originally posted by MadDemon64

Originally posted by ReallyNow10 Acclimation.   That's my way, anyway.  Putting on some old Disney DVD's and getting in the mood.  How are the rest of you coming to terms with the new art style?
Playing Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker.  It is the perfect example of what EQN is probably going to be: cartoony graphics that people initially hated due to a "Trukk not Munky" mentality, judging it before it even came out, and then loving it and singing its praises after playing it, holding it high in regard as one of the best, if not the best, in the franchise.

for me, if EQN becomes a great MMO it will be despite its cheesy cartoonish art style, not because of it.

i also don't need to know anymore about the game to know i don't care for the cheesy character models, do i? unless they intend to revamp them before launch that is.

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