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  syntax42

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9/26/13 8:11:35 AM#141

If there is a question about an unintuitive UI, chances are good it has been asked before, and chances are very good the answer is on the forums for that game or somewhere easy to find on the internet.  Personally, I get tired of seeing the same question asked repeatedly and I start ignoring the questions when the answer is easy to find with a little bit of searching.  I only ever ask a question in general chat after a reasonable search.

That said, I do help new players when it isn't quite so obvious.  For example, finding an effective character build in some games can be a tricky task.  Rift, for example, has a few builds which are very effective and a lot of builds which can be ineffective in group situations.  I generally discuss with the player what an effective build uses, then direct them to a web site or forum page where they can learn more and see what others are using.

  User Deleted
9/26/13 8:30:24 AM#142
Originally posted by TribeofOne
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by TribeofOne

so you are ok with unsolicited help in real life just not in games?

Yes, because in real life you can see the person and determine a lot of information from the situation and their body language. All of that goes into deciding if a person needs help. Also, things like dying have consequences in real life.

Dying in a game has no consequences.

The fact that you are having trouble separating how a person should act in a game from how they should act in real life is pretty alarming.

I bet you wouldnt thank the fireman that pulls your unconscious body out of a burning building because you  didnt ask them to and why should you thank them for doing their job? right?

okay Im done with this thread.

We are going to have to just agree to disagree on what is appropriate behavior and whether being good Samaritan and a decent person is bad etiquette in an online setting.

Agreed, but please stop with the lame real world examples.

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  Neo_Viper

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If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong.

9/26/13 8:41:54 AM#143
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by TribeofOne
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by TribeofOne

so you are ok with unsolicited help in real life just not in games?

Yes, because in real life you can see the person and determine a lot of information from the situation and their body language. All of that goes into deciding if a person needs help. Also, things like dying have consequences in real life.

Dying in a game has no consequences.

The fact that you are having trouble separating how a person should act in a game from how they should act in real life is pretty alarming.

I bet you wouldnt thank the fireman that pulls your unconscious body out of a burning building because you  didnt ask them to and why should you thank them for doing their job? right?

okay Im done with this thread.

We are going to have to just agree to disagree on what is appropriate behavior and whether being good Samaritan and a decent person is bad etiquette in an online setting.

Agreed, but please stop with the lame real world examples.

fantasy over here <-------------------------------------------------> reality over here

Actually, people who stop to help even in an anonymous place like a video game on the Internet, where no life is in danger and help is not really critical, when they are not forced to, are most certainly nice people in real life too.

Just like people who behave like asshats as soon as they are behind a computer screen are most likely asshats in real life too, or cowards who use the net to vent their real life frustrations because they are too afraid of real life consequences for similar actions.

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  Hariken

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9/26/13 8:46:31 AM#144
Originally posted by Krematory
Newbies are awesome! They are generaly full of energy and enthusiasm, and they're are beneficial (if not absolutely necessary) for the long term viability of a game. Treat them with love and respect and your game will benefit because of it :D

This 100%

And i really find alot of the replies here lame. Everyone was a newbie at one time. Even if the question seems dumb to you there's no reason to treat someone like crap. This is what wow has done to the genre. Once mmo's went mainstream the community in them went down the toilet.

  User Deleted
9/26/13 9:05:14 AM#145
Originally posted by Hariken
Originally posted by Krematory
Newbies are awesome! They are generaly full of energy and enthusiasm, and they're are beneficial (if not absolutely necessary) for the long term viability of a game. Treat them with love and respect and your game will benefit because of it :D

This 100%

And i really find alot of the replies here lame. Everyone was a newbie at one time. Even if the question seems dumb to you there's no reason to treat someone like crap. This is what wow has done to the genre. Once mmo's went mainstream the community in them went down the toilet.

WoW didn't do it, there are just more people in WoW so it's more common. There were a lot of asshats in UO...it's just that the rose-colored glasses tend to filter them out when UO vets are waxing poetic about the good old days.

  Creslin321

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9/26/13 9:19:21 AM#146
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by Hariken
Originally posted by Krematory
Newbies are awesome! They are generaly full of energy and enthusiasm, and they're are beneficial (if not absolutely necessary) for the long term viability of a game. Treat them with love and respect and your game will benefit because of it :D

This 100%

And i really find alot of the replies here lame. Everyone was a newbie at one time. Even if the question seems dumb to you there's no reason to treat someone like crap. This is what wow has done to the genre. Once mmo's went mainstream the community in them went down the toilet.

WoW didn't do it, there are just more people in WoW so it's more common. There were a lot of asshats in UO...it's just that the rose-colored glasses tend to filter them out when UO vets are waxing poetic about the good old days.

LOL yeah I agree.  At least in WoW the asshats couldn't rob you blind of your starting gold in a city, and then murder you when you get out of the town limits.

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  Kyleran

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9/26/13 9:29:03 AM#147
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by TribeofOne
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by TribeofOne
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by TribeofOne
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by TribeofOne
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by TribeofOne

 

 

Yes, because in real life you can see the person and determine a lot of information from the situation and their body language. All of that goes into deciding if a person needs help. Also, things like dying have consequences in real life.

Dying in a game has no consequences.

The fact that you are having trouble separating how a person should act in a game from how they should act in real life is pretty alarming.

Have you never stood near a person in game and watched them struggle, and eventually die, only to have them send you a tell saying, "for F..ks sake, why didn' t you help me?"

Has happened to me on more than one occasion, and as you mentioned, unsolicited help has been met with withering criticism as well. 

These days I basically just run on by and pretend I didn't see them, besides, in modern day MMO's rarely are people really over their head and the penalties for dying so minimal there's no real incentive to assist. 

But those of us from an earlier age, we have a hard time letting go of the courtesies of the past.  I'm currently playing an old school version of a MMO where death is a pain in the butt, and people do help out much more and its still appreciated.

But at the end of the day, it never hurts to be courteous to others, even if their well intentioned help was not really welcome.

 

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  Rusque

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9/26/13 9:35:15 AM#148

New players are fine and normal and I will gladly give them advice if they want it.

But depending on what is meant by newb/noob/nub/scrubbingbubbles it might not be a new players, it might just be an idiot.

Nothing worse than seeing someone who is inexplicably well geared or has spent a fairly large amount of time playing the game asking or doing something stupid.

  nariusseldon

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9/26/13 11:30:21 AM#149
Originally posted by Rusque

New players are fine and normal and I will gladly give them advice if they want it.

But depending on what is meant by newb/noob/nub/scrubbingbubbles it might not be a new players, it might just be an idiot.

Nothing worse than seeing someone who is inexplicably well geared or has spent a fairly large amount of time playing the game asking or doing something stupid.

I do a much simpler thing. I ignore everyone who is asking questions.

 

  Neo_Viper

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If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong.

9/26/13 12:18:22 PM#150
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Rusque

New players are fine and normal and I will gladly give them advice if they want it.

But depending on what is meant by newb/noob/nub/scrubbingbubbles it might not be a new players, it might just be an idiot.

Nothing worse than seeing someone who is inexplicably well geared or has spent a fairly large amount of time playing the game asking or doing something stupid.

I do a much simpler thing. I ignore everyone who is asking questions.

 

But then, we would be surprised if you didn't manage to post some new antisocial provocation, Nariu ;-)

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  Lithuanian

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9/26/13 12:23:42 PM#151
My choice: answer and leave it be. DIfferent players have different approaches to the game. Why should I be the judge?

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  mmoguy43

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9/26/13 12:36:36 PM#152

I pity the noob.

People look at them and see nothing to gain.

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  nariusseldon

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9/26/13 12:49:17 PM#153
Originally posted by Neo_Viper
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Rusque

New players are fine and normal and I will gladly give them advice if they want it.

But depending on what is meant by newb/noob/nub/scrubbingbubbles it might not be a new players, it might just be an idiot.

Nothing worse than seeing someone who is inexplicably well geared or has spent a fairly large amount of time playing the game asking or doing something stupid.

I do a much simpler thing. I ignore everyone who is asking questions.

 

But then, we would be surprised if you didn't manage to post some new antisocial provocation, Nariu ;-)

I hate to disappoint you :)

  ariasaitcho

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9/26/13 2:55:00 PM#154

I answered "Struggling with an unintuitive GUI", though in reality I also find many "too lazy to find info". In both cases I do help the player: the struggling player I give the answer; the too lazy player I tell them where to find the answer.

The beggars (gold/gear) and "power level me" players can go rot, for all I care. WTH makes you think I would be carrying around gear that is useless to me? I might save tradeable gear for guildies but certainly not for random strangers. And what gold I have, I need for my own needs/wants. And power leveling? Yeah, I tried that once. Screwed my toon up so badly that I ended up deleting it and starting over. Therefore I will never power level anyone. Learn how to play your toon naturally as it develops, end game isn't the time to learn how to play.

I personally like to make sure that the "arcane secrets" are not left in the hands of the "initiated" but dispersed widely amongst the general population.

Finally: seeing the same question asked 30 times by 30 different people in the space of 5 minuets is beyond frustrating. It shows just how spoon fed some gamers expect to be. I will usually answer the first of the questioners and the rest I tell to scroll up. >.<

  Neo_Viper

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If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong.

9/26/13 2:59:16 PM#155
Originally posted by ariasaitcho

The beggars (gold/gear) and "power level me" players can go rot, for all I care.

I think on that we all agree. And personally, if they are part of a guild I'm in charge of, they get in trouble.

Charter of my guild:

BAD: "Begging. Anywhere. Ever. We WILL hear about it."

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  Jemcrystal

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Let em put a slave ring thru u're nose u're prob not going to like where they're taking you. Think.

9/27/13 9:14:23 AM#156
Some times the person is not a noob but just a new player looking to form up connections.  There's no harm in giving them some advice and offering them guild passage.  If they are really a noob ("any one got some money" - every day) then the guild leader can give them a polite warning and kick if they still obsess.  Most "noobs" are just very young people - it doesn't hurt to be polite and help them grow up.  Mentor them unless they are a hopeless cause.

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  Helleri

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9/27/13 6:13:58 PM#157

I just realized. I don't see many sub classifications of newb any more...used to be a lot of them that were used like:

 

Main Categorization - Noob/Newb

Any player displaying an ignorance of the game (often used in a derogatory, razing, or hazing sense. The more phonetically spelled latter, being generally used in a less negative and more matter of fact context ).

 

Sub-Categorizations

Troob:

Extreme contraction of 'True Newcomer'. A a player with a lot to learn. completely unfamiliar with the game. [often used to denote a player percieved to be  truly in need of, or deserving of assistance. Over ones who might know better and are though to not need as much help.]

 

Froob:

Extreme contraction of 'Free-to-Play Newcomer'. A player that is naive to Any thing that has to do with paying into the game.

[sometimes used to raz someone about a subscription having lapsed. And, likely over all one of the more light-hearted sub-categorizations.]

 

Choob:

Extreme (and convoluted) contraction of  by  'Newcomer by Choice'. A player that, weather to get attention, to troll, or as a matter of simply being lazy or unmotivated and wishing to have things handed to them; Is Newb-like by choice, but does actually know the game well.

[perhaps one of the most disliked kinds of newb, given their tendency to beg.]

 

Stoob:

Extreme contraction of  'Stupid Newcomer'. A true New Player that simply does not have the aptitude to comprehend or retain information. And, does not have the ability to ever truly progress in the game without heavy dependence on assistance. Sometimes due to simply being to young (and only average intelligence for their age), or to being a person who is simply not very intelligent (sometimes used to denote someone who may have the aptitude for the game if they were not of such a short attention span or flighty nature).

[perhaps one of the most cruel sub-categorizations that has been most unfairly used.]

 

I recall a time when these used to abound in MMORPG's that I played. But, now-a-days, I simply don't see much of it. Only, more simple variations on Newb (just based on how people choose to spell it - such as - Nub, Newb, Newbie, N00b etc.) I do not necessarily miss it (although I found it was more immediately descriptive in conversing with those who knew the phrases meanings). But, I do wonder what happened to it. Perhaps they just fell out of favorable use in the games I still actively play, due to their -often perceived as negative- 'labeling' nature? Are they still used in games others here play?

  Gorwe

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9/27/13 6:27:08 PM#158
First of all-newb != noob. There is a reason why new words are formed.

NEWB(also Newbie or newby{this is the root of the word!} is pronounced njub{that fancy n-don't have it on iPhone-sorry!}) is the older term and describes a person who is new to the place, job, game, community, ... . It is NOT derogatory/inflamatory and is a simple fact of life.

NOOB(also n00b, nO0b etc is pronounced nu:b{long u}) is the younger term and describes a person who just refuses to learn(most often) or simply can't learn(Hey it happens!). It is derogatory and highly inflamatory. But, more often than not, the person that has been called this name deserves it(because he himself trolls, flames, refuses to participate, ...).

Now how do we handle these two?

A newb deserves a kind greeting so he can aclimatise quicker and become comfortable. The same as in any community yeah?

A noob deserves a kick in the jibbles and a ban(lifetime if applicable). They should be treated with no mercy because they are a cancer upon the community the inhabit.

There.
  Helleri

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9/27/13 6:34:36 PM#159
Originally posted by Gorwe
First of all-newb != noob. There is a reason why new words are formed.

NEWB(also Newbie or newby{this is the root of the word!} is pronounced njub{that fancy n-don't have it on iPhone-sorry!}) is the older term and describes a person who is new to the place, job, game, community, ... . It is NOT derogatory/inflamatory and is a simple fact of life.

NOOB(also n00b, nO0b etc is pronounced nu:b{long u}) is the younger term and describes a person who just refuses to learn(most often) or simply can't learn(Hey it happens!). It is derogatory and highly inflamatory. But, more often than not, the person that has been called this name deserves it(because he himself trolls, flames, refuses to participate, ...).

Now how do we handle these two?

A newb deserves a kind greeting so he can aclimatise quicker and become comfortable. The same as in any community yeah?

A noob deserves a kick in the jibbles and a ban(lifetime if applicable). They should be treated with no mercy because they are a cancer upon the community the inhabit.

There.

Now see, you have a different understanding of it then I am given to. I think either of us would be hard pressed to prove one way or the other absolutely correct. However I did point out the distinction you have made here when I said that the latter and more phonetically spelled is not as often used in such negative context. But, perhaps the way I put that was unclear.

 

I am thinking maybe it is just the pace of the internet, that sets or more rapid pace to the evolution of online vernacular. Probably within different MMORPG's the consensus on all this tends to evolve along slightly different paths. And so, if you play WoW and I play Runescape (for example), we likely have very different ideas of the origins of terms, what they currently mean, and how they are most correctly used.

  Gorwe

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9/27/13 6:51:39 PM#160
Yes, each community/Society has its own lingo so to speak. Therefore even something as mild as newb or even Support/Tank can be highly inflamatory in some other game. Point in case: tanking in GW 2, Diablo 3, TSW and such is exceedingly fun because you are doing more than maintaining aggro. Meanwhile in the typical MMOs it can be even used to denote a personal slave(I don't want to discuss who's really subordinate in this relationship-that's a discussion for some other time) and therefore kind of inflamatory. Meanwhile in MOBAs it is highly inflamatory because as soon as the words "Tank" or "Support" come out of your mouth, you're going to be held responsible for every conceivable thing! Therefore it can quickly become a derogatory term.

This is such a lovely combination of psychology and linguistics. Love it!
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