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  Icewhite

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Pink, it's like red but not quite.

 
OP  9/25/13 11:51:10 AM#101
Originally posted by dave6660
Originally posted by Scot

I have put :) and :D, yet I have still been taken seriously in posts I thought were an obviously not meant to be taken that way. Maybe typing a big SARCASM after the post might do it!?

Putting a big disclaimer that your post is a joke or sarcastic really ruins the fun.

"Sarcasm doesn't translate into print at all."--Megan Fox   (But hoho how about irony? --Icewhite)

It would make an interesting sub-topic all of its very own, the rejected feeling created when the public doesn't "get" your cleverly crafted prose. But writers always blame the readers when their prose falls short...do comedians blame their audience when their jokes are "just too hip"?

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  aesperus

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9/25/13 11:53:13 AM#102
Originally posted by Icewhite

A newb asks a question about the game's interface (an easy--but not instantly apparent--one).

Didn't answer, because these kind of assumptions are a big part of what creates toxic communities in these games.

I could honestly say I meet noobs that would fit each of those answers, plus i like muffins.

  User Deleted
9/25/13 12:00:36 PM#103
Originally posted by Creslin321
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by Scot
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by Darknessguy64
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by dave6660

Newbs are unworthy of receiving help from a superior being such as myself.

I sure hope that was in jest otherwise you deserve an award for proving everything that's wrong with MMO "communities" in a mere 13 words.

What is sad is when people can't read OBVIOUS sarcasm as sarcasm. Seriously...wow. Good golly. Holy cow. Yikes!

Soon you'll break 100 posts and be a "big boy". Then you'll realize that a lot of people say what they really think on these forums and when someone calls them on it, they claim it was sarcasm.

It's pretty typical around here.

I have put :) and :D, yet I have still been taken seriously in posts I thought were an obviously not meant to be taken that way. Maybe typing a big SARCASM after the post might do it!?

I doubt it. Too many posters hide behind emoticons and slash-emotives that they have become meaningless for the purpose of communicating intent, let alone anything clever. 

The best way to be understood is to be clear. Besides, the very definition of sarcasm implies mocking a person in a negative manner which seems like something deserving of a warning, or a ban when done repeatedly. 

“Sarcasm is the last refuge of the imaginatively bankrupt.”  -Cassandra Clare

“Sarcasm is the last refuge of the imaginatively bankrupt.”  -Cassandra Clare

:O.

I have to say, GrimGryphon, the thing I like about you the most is your lighthearted sense of humor.

 

BEGIN ANALYSIS

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Tone of post:  Sarcastic.

Intention:  To humorously illustrate the extremely "grim" nature of GrimGryphon's post by oxymoronically complementing his sense of humor

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END ANALYSIS

Anyway man...I dunno, maybe don't take things so seriously ;).  Just because someone is being sarcastic doesn't mean they are trying to surreptitiously insult you or something, sometimes it's just funny and that's all there is to it.

Yes it does. That's the definition of sarcastic, genius. The intent is to ridicule. See what I did there?

If the person is trying to be funny with no ill intent using the same tactic, then they are trying their hand at irony...and probably failing.

  User Deleted
9/25/13 12:03:28 PM#104
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by dave6660
Originally posted by Scot

I have put :) and :D, yet I have still been taken seriously in posts I thought were an obviously not meant to be taken that way. Maybe typing a big SARCASM after the post might do it!?

Putting a big disclaimer that your post is a joke or sarcastic really ruins the fun.

"Sarcasm doesn't translate into print at all."--Megan Fox   (But hoho how about irony? --Icewhite)

It would make an interesting sub-topic all of its very own, the rejected feeling created when the public doesn't "get" your cleverly crafted prose. But writers always blame the readers when their prose falls short...do comedians blame their audience when their jokes are "just too hip"?

You called forum posters "writers".

Go sit in the corner and think about what you've done.

  Icewhite

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Joined: 7/11/11
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Pink, it's like red but not quite.

 
OP  9/25/13 12:06:51 PM#105
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by dave6660
Originally posted by Scot

I have put :) and :D, yet I have still been taken seriously in posts I thought were an obviously not meant to be taken that way. Maybe typing a big SARCASM after the post might do it!?

Putting a big disclaimer that your post is a joke or sarcastic really ruins the fun.

"Sarcasm doesn't translate into print at all."--Megan Fox   (But hoho how about irony? --Icewhite)

It would make an interesting sub-topic all of its very own, the rejected feeling created when the public doesn't "get" your cleverly crafted prose. But writers always blame the readers when their prose falls short...do comedians blame their audience when their jokes are "just too hip"?

You called forum posters "writers".

Go sit in the corner and think about what you've done.

Do I get to wear the Misanthropy Cap? Yay!

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  User Deleted
9/25/13 12:09:28 PM#106
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by dave6660
Originally posted by Scot

I have put :) and :D, yet I have still been taken seriously in posts I thought were an obviously not meant to be taken that way. Maybe typing a big SARCASM after the post might do it!?

Putting a big disclaimer that your post is a joke or sarcastic really ruins the fun.

"Sarcasm doesn't translate into print at all."--Megan Fox   (But hoho how about irony? --Icewhite)

It would make an interesting sub-topic all of its very own, the rejected feeling created when the public doesn't "get" your cleverly crafted prose. But writers always blame the readers when their prose falls short...do comedians blame their audience when their jokes are "just too hip"?

You called forum posters "writers".

Go sit in the corner and think about what you've done.

Do I get to wear the Misanthropy Cap? Yay!

Of course and coincidentally, it looks a lot like the hat the Pope wears.

  Creslin321

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Joined: 2/27/09
Posts: 5424

9/25/13 12:15:11 PM#107
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by Creslin321
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by Scot
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by Darknessguy64
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by dave6660

Newbs are unworthy of receiving help from a superior being such as myself.

I sure hope that was in jest otherwise you deserve an award for proving everything that's wrong with MMO "communities" in a mere 13 words.

What is sad is when people can't read OBVIOUS sarcasm as sarcasm. Seriously...wow. Good golly. Holy cow. Yikes!

Soon you'll break 100 posts and be a "big boy". Then you'll realize that a lot of people say what they really think on these forums and when someone calls them on it, they claim it was sarcasm.

It's pretty typical around here.

I have put :) and :D, yet I have still been taken seriously in posts I thought were an obviously not meant to be taken that way. Maybe typing a big SARCASM after the post might do it!?

I doubt it. Too many posters hide behind emoticons and slash-emotives that they have become meaningless for the purpose of communicating intent, let alone anything clever. 

The best way to be understood is to be clear. Besides, the very definition of sarcasm implies mocking a person in a negative manner which seems like something deserving of a warning, or a ban when done repeatedly. 

“Sarcasm is the last refuge of the imaginatively bankrupt.”  -Cassandra Clare

“Sarcasm is the last refuge of the imaginatively bankrupt.”  -Cassandra Clare

:O.

I have to say, GrimGryphon, the thing I like about you the most is your lighthearted sense of humor.

 

BEGIN ANALYSIS

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Tone of post:  Sarcastic.

Intention:  To humorously illustrate the extremely "grim" nature of GrimGryphon's post by oxymoronically complementing his sense of humor

--------

END ANALYSIS

Anyway man...I dunno, maybe don't take things so seriously ;).  Just because someone is being sarcastic doesn't mean they are trying to surreptitiously insult you or something, sometimes it's just funny and that's all there is to it.

Yes it does. That's the definition of sarcastic, genius. The intent is to ridicule. See what I did there?

If the person is trying to be funny with no ill intent using the same tactic, then they are trying their hand at irony...and probably failing.

Okay let me clarify this for you...

If I am playing a frustration game like Cat Mario, dying over and over, and my buddy says "Man you are just crushing this level!"  I am not going to scream to my mom that he should be warned or banned if he does this repeatedly.

I will realize that he is just making light of the situation and laugh. That is what I mean by don't take things so seriously...it's not like my friend in that scenario is trying to belittle me, or genuinely insult me out of hatred, it's all context sensitive.

The same applies to forums...

If I make a silly post or a ridiculous argument, I may get a bunch of sarcastic replies.  And you know what?  Maybe I should realize that my argument was silly and I deserved them, and know that these replies were not directed at me PERSONALLY, but at the argument I made.

I'm not saying that all sarcastic replies are well intentioned, but by the same token, they are not all "imaginatively bankrupt."

 

Also, this is the definition of sarcasm from Merriam Webster:

: the use of words that mean the opposite of what you really want to say especially in order to insult someone, to show irritation, or to be funny

Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?

  User Deleted
9/25/13 12:28:54 PM#108
Originally posted by Creslin321
Originally posted by grimgryphon

Yes it does. That's the definition of sarcastic, genius. The intent is to ridicule. See what I did there?

If the person is trying to be funny with no ill intent using the same tactic, then they are trying their hand at irony...and probably failing.

Okay let me clarify this for you...

If I am playing a frustration game like Cat Mario, dying over and over, and my buddy says "Man you are just crushing this level!"  I am not going to scream to my mom that he should be warned or banned if he does this repeatedly. [That's because he's trying to be ironic, not sarcastic. If he was being sarcastic he would have said something like, "Gee, if you were twice as skilled in this game as you are now, you'd be absolutely incompetent. gg"]

I will realize that he is just making light of the situation and laugh. That is what I mean by don't take things so seriously...it's not like my friend in that scenario is trying to belittle me, or genuinely insult me out of hatred, it's all context sensitive.

The same applies to forums...

If I make a silly post or a ridiculous argument, I may get a bunch of sarcastic replies.  And you know what?  Maybe I should realize that my argument was silly and I deserved them, and know that these replies were not directed at me PERSONALLY, but at the argument I made. [If you are receiving sarcastic replies, they ARE directed at you.]

I'm not saying that all sarcastic replies are well intentioned, but by the same token, they are not all "imaginatively bankrupt." [No, but the people who try their hand at it, are. On these forums, sarcasm is used when a person is too uninspired to come up with something clever. Think of it this way: they WANT to insult you, but need a way out if you get mad. It's the longer version of 'jk']

 

  User Deleted
9/25/13 1:06:53 PM#109
Originally posted by Creslin321

Also, this is the definition of sarcasm from Merriam Webster:

: the use of words that mean the opposite of what you really want to say especially in order to insult someone, to show irritation, or to be funny

Ah, I see you changed your post. I also see you haven't learned to properly use a dictionary.

Try reading the entire entry next time. Doing that has an amazing side-effect: It fosters understanding.

 

  Creslin321

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9/25/13 1:42:27 PM#110
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by Creslin321

Also, this is the definition of sarcasm from Merriam Webster:

: the use of words that mean the opposite of what you really want to say especially in order to insult someone, to show irritation, or to be funny

Ah, I see you changed your post. I also see you haven't learned to properly use a dictionary.

Try reading the entire entry next time. Doing that has an amazing side-effect: It fosters understanding.

 

I'm not getting your point friend.  It clearly states sarcasm can be used "to be funny" as well as to be insulting or to show irritation.  That's uh...what I was saying.

I know there is other stuff under that definition, but it doesn't change the fact that sarcasm can be used "to be funny."

Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?

  rojoArcueid

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9/25/13 1:53:43 PM#111
Originally posted by Icewhite

A newb asks a question about the game's interface (an easy--but not instantly apparent--one).

 


Real newbs usually thank you for the help and for giving them an extra source of info. Lazy people usually assume you have an attitude when you tell them where to get info (even if they got their answer in the first place) then call you out. Ive come across a lot of them, both newbies that appreciate help and also  the lazy dudes on general chats that find google hard to use but can easily flame your answer.

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  Mr.Kujo

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9/25/13 2:02:15 PM#112
Originally posted by Creslin321

"Man you are just crushing this level!"  I am not going to scream to my mom that he should be warned or banned if he does this repeatedly.

The same applies to forums...

 

Is it really the same? In real life, do you act the same towards complete strangers, as you act towards your friends? Or do you distance yourself and refrain from irony and jokes at the beginning, to avoid missunderstanding?

  TribeofOne

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9/25/13 2:16:42 PM#113

as long as they walk 3 paces behind and to the right, as long as they do not make direct eye contact or speak directly to me then Im fine with newbs.

i kid.

i ran into a newb today while playing FF14. I came across this guy fighting 3 or 4 mobs and he was clearly losing and about to die. So I healed him several times from the brink and threw a couple of dots on the mobs to help him along. when he finally killed all the mobs he said not a word and just ran off; which pissed me a little. So i sent him a /tell that said you're welcome, he replied I didnt ask you to heal me so i dont have to thank you. At which point I blacklisted him and hope to never cross his path again.

that type of newb/asshat whatever term you prefer i cant stand.

  User Deleted
9/25/13 2:34:05 PM#114
Originally posted by TribeofOne

as long as they walk 3 paces behind and to the right, as long as they do not make direct eye contact or speak directly to me then Im fine with newbs.

i kid.

i ran into a newb today while playing FF14. I came across this guy fighting 3 or 4 mobs and he was clearly losing and about to die. So I healed him several times from the brink and threw a couple of dots on the mobs to help him along. when he finally killed all the mobs he said not a word and just ran off; which pissed me a little. So i sent him a /tell that said you're welcome, he replied I didnt ask you to heal me so i dont have to thank you. At which point I blacklisted him and hope to never cross his path again.

that type of newb/asshat whatever term you prefer i cant stand.

Why respond at all? What do you get out of it?

  Vermillion_Raventhal

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9/25/13 3:39:20 PM#115

I am usually helpful if I know the answer.  There is no point in being ass about things but the internet is famous for assholes.  

 

I remember quite a few instances where my help of a newbie saved me from being lynched after killing someone in UO later on.   Especially in UO beta.

  TribeofOne

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9/25/13 3:51:16 PM#116
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by TribeofOne

as long as they walk 3 paces behind and to the right, as long as they do not make direct eye contact or speak directly to me then Im fine with newbs.

i kid.

i ran into a newb today while playing FF14. I came across this guy fighting 3 or 4 mobs and he was clearly losing and about to die. So I healed him several times from the brink and threw a couple of dots on the mobs to help him along. when he finally killed all the mobs he said not a word and just ran off; which pissed me a little. So i sent him a /tell that said you're welcome, he replied I didnt ask you to heal me so i dont have to thank you. At which point I blacklisted him and hope to never cross his path again.

that type of newb/asshat whatever term you prefer i cant stand.

Why respond at all? What do you get out of it?

I'm sorry but what? i dont get what youre asking.

  Loktofeit

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9/25/13 4:32:36 PM#117
Originally posted by TribeofOne
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by TribeofOne

as long as they walk 3 paces behind and to the right, as long as they do not make direct eye contact or speak directly to me then Im fine with newbs.

i kid.

i ran into a newb today while playing FF14. I came across this guy fighting 3 or 4 mobs and he was clearly losing and about to die. So I healed him several times from the brink and threw a couple of dots on the mobs to help him along. when he finally killed all the mobs he said not a word and just ran off; which pissed me a little. So i sent him a /tell that said you're welcome, he replied I didnt ask you to heal me so i dont have to thank you. At which point I blacklisted him and hope to never cross his path again.

that type of newb/asshat whatever term you prefer i cant stand.

Why respond at all? What do you get out of it?

I'm sorry but what? i dont get what youre asking.

 I think maybe he's trying to show how unwarranted negativity is unnecessary. If not, then I'm really not following what all his posts in this thread are getting at, this one included. It's possible there's more to his posts than just what we're reading.

  Creslin321

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9/25/13 4:34:40 PM#118
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by TribeofOne
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by TribeofOne

as long as they walk 3 paces behind and to the right, as long as they do not make direct eye contact or speak directly to me then Im fine with newbs.

i kid.

i ran into a newb today while playing FF14. I came across this guy fighting 3 or 4 mobs and he was clearly losing and about to die. So I healed him several times from the brink and threw a couple of dots on the mobs to help him along. when he finally killed all the mobs he said not a word and just ran off; which pissed me a little. So i sent him a /tell that said you're welcome, he replied I didnt ask you to heal me so i dont have to thank you. At which point I blacklisted him and hope to never cross his path again.

that type of newb/asshat whatever term you prefer i cant stand.

Why respond at all? What do you get out of it?

I'm sorry but what? i dont get what youre asking.

 I think maybe he's trying to show how unwarranted negativity is unnecessary. If not, then I'm really not following what all his posts in this thread are getting at, this one included. It's possible there's more to his posts than just what we're reading.

The funniest part is that, at least I feel, that his posts are by far, the most negative in this thread.

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  gtalove888

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9/25/13 5:28:51 PM#119
I have had one incident where I log into a game for the first time, and right at the entrance stands a character who cusses out all the newbs...it's amazing how no GM was around for that, especially on launch day.
  celysta

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9/25/13 5:33:45 PM#120
Originally posted by gtalove888
I have had one incident where I log into a game for the first time, and right at the entrance stands a character who cusses out all the newbs...it's amazing how no GM was around for that, especially on launch day.

 

What game was that?
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