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  Hyanmen

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9/23/13 4:25:54 AM#241
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
I simply supported what djnexus said and something which is well known in MMO world. But you reacted as if he was talking in some obsecure language that you do not understand.

 

Aaaand there you go again. More vague statements with nothing to back them up, while acting like you want to drop the subject. If that's the case why keep making claims? Just drop it then, is it this hard for you?

You said eve was actually challenging yet nothing to back up said statement (its as if there is a pattern here). I called you out on it, and to this point you haven't actually given anything to support such claim. Up until now all you have given us is more vague statements like the colored part and "you just dont get it".

You don't have to back up the statements you made but don't get mad when people call you out on it.

 

FF:ARR FATE grinding: People not having fun by doing something not actually intended to get to a point that doesn't really matter as fast as possible. Just so they can do the same thing over and over again to gain a piece of virtual loot.

  muthax

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9/23/13 4:35:36 AM#242
People that after 3 weeks are already bored and 'grinding' their second or third job should just stop spending all their waking time playing games. Take a shower, go out, socialize with people, in short get a life before it's too late and you find yourself a lonely failure in life
  Birdy1988

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9/23/13 5:39:36 AM#243

What the hell is the point you people's arguement? EVE IS harder than FFXIV in many ways, learning curve, complexity. but its also just harder because players are assholes and its an open PvP where assholes get to be assholes but its ok because they are "roleplaying".

Hell, the PvE and Gathering/crafting in EVE is easy and boring.

No wait, EVE in general is boring. who wants to play a spaceship game where you just point and click.... honestly.

So yes, even might be more complex, more difficult. but its also an empty sandbox where you mindlessly grind rocks/ships until you've waited several months worth of training to go "roleplay" against other players.

sandbox fanboys need to get off their pedestal. come back when a damn sandbox game is actually AAA quality, has good combat/gameplay that isn't boring and non-functional (Im looking at you darkfall). until then get over yourselves.

 

NONE of you have beat bahamut. end of story. no one has yet.

  Bigdaddyx

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9/23/13 12:35:15 PM#244
Originally posted by Hyanmen
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
I simply supported what djnexus said and something which is well known in MMO world. But you reacted as if he was talking in some obsecure language that you do not understand.

 

Aaaand there you go again. More vague statements with nothing to back them up, while acting like you want to drop the subject. If that's the case why keep making claims? Just drop it then, is it this hard for you?

You said eve was actually challenging yet nothing to back up said statement (its as if there is a pattern here). I called you out on it, and to this point you haven't actually given anything to support such claim. Up until now all you have given us is more vague statements like the colored part and "you just dont get it".

You don't have to back up the statements you made but don't get mad when people call you out on it.

 

I simply stated that it is a popular opinion and unless you have been living under a rock over the years i am 100% sure you know that too. However, you agree with that popular opinion or not is another matter. If you think you can convince people into thinking that FFXIV is more challenging than EVE than you are  in minority. And i doubt that other than hardcore FFXIV fans as yourself, anyone is going to agree with you.

Simplistic single player storyline gameplay from lvl 1 to 50 devoid of any challenge, most mind numbing, generic and trivial side quests, watered down crafting and gathering from 1.0 (and i thought 1.0 was bad in comparison to FFXI), no danger in exploration within a small shoe sized world. The only challenge comes at hard modes once you hit 50 which is akin of typical themepark MMO model. Easy ride from lvl 1 to level cap and then throw in some hard mode dungeons... RIFT did that quite successfully already.

FFXIV is just copy pasting the same themepark formula but somehow it is more challenging than EVE? if i use that logic than i guess every themepark MMO since days of WOW is more challenging and complex than Eve.

Its amazing that you are even arguing about this with a straight face.

  Netspook

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Posts: 1422

9/23/13 2:23:24 PM#245

I also think this game is going to fail. I'm not going to crit you with a wall of text explaining why, because it can be summed up with very few words:

Though this game looks great, it's just incredibly boring.

Simple as that.

  echolynfan

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Joined: 1/26/10
Posts: 719

I ain't got a gat but I gotta soldering gun

9/23/13 2:30:33 PM#246
Originally posted by Netspook

I also think this game is going to fail. I'm not going to crit you with a wall of text explaining why, because it can be summed up with very few words:

Though this game looks great, it's just incredibly boring.

Simple as that.

Are you old enough to remember playing Pong? Now THAT was boring - FF ARR is NOT boring...at all...not even a little bit.

Currently playing as Pete Puma on Excalibur. FF ARR - The best MMO I've played since SWG!

  mayanking

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Joined: 4/30/13
Posts: 95

9/23/13 2:40:19 PM#247
Kinda funny when you just look at the same names and determine if there comment is going to be good about the game or bad,trolling. lol.  anyways i'm enjoying the game got to 50 on my first class in a week but now the grind is on crafting gathering other skills pretty fun to me.
  Netspook

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Joined: 3/01/07
Posts: 1422

9/23/13 2:42:55 PM#248
Originally posted by echolynfan
Originally posted by Netspook

I also think this game is going to fail. I'm not going to crit you with a wall of text explaining why, because it can be summed up with very few words:

Though this game looks great, it's just incredibly boring.

Simple as that.

Are you old enough to remember playing Pong? Now THAT was boring - FF ARR is NOT boring...at all...not even a little bit.

 

Pong was innovative for it's time. FFXIV is not.

  Hyanmen

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Joined: 10/11/06
Posts: 4951

9/23/13 2:48:59 PM#249
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx

Simplistic single player storyline gameplay from lvl 1 to 50 devoid of any challenge, most mind numbing, generic and trivial side quests, watered down crafting and gathering from 1.0 (and i thought 1.0 was bad in comparison to FFXI), no danger in exploration within a small shoe sized world. The only challenge comes at hard modes once you hit 50 which is akin of typical themepark MMO model. Easy ride from lvl 1 to level cap and then throw in some hard mode dungeons... RIFT did that quite successfully already.

FFXIV is just copy pasting the same themepark formula but somehow it is more challenging than EVE? if i use that logic than i guess every themepark MMO since days of WOW is more challenging and complex than Eve.

Finally I got a real reply out of you. I don't know why you were so scared of telling us all this, it's not like I need to reply back. What you say speaks for itself. We can lay the argument to rest.

FF:ARR FATE grinding: People not having fun by doing something not actually intended to get to a point that doesn't really matter as fast as possible. Just so they can do the same thing over and over again to gain a piece of virtual loot.

  Birdy1988

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Joined: 9/22/13
Posts: 15

9/23/13 3:11:37 PM#250
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by echolynfan
Originally posted by Netspook

I also think this game is going to fail. I'm not going to crit you with a wall of text explaining why, because it can be summed up with very few words:

Though this game looks great, it's just incredibly boring.

Simple as that.

Are you old enough to remember playing Pong? Now THAT was boring - FF ARR is NOT boring...at all...not even a little bit.

 

Pong was innovative for it's time. FFXIV is not.

Yes because innovative is automatically better AMIRITE?

 

lol GW2 failed. NWN failed. Tera Failed, whats next on the "basically we don't like RPG's we want to transform this genre into casual no-roles action spam fest" fails. everquest NEXT maybe?

  Birdy1988

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Joined: 9/22/13
Posts: 15

9/23/13 3:14:14 PM#251
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by Hyanmen
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
I simply supported what djnexus said and something which is well known in MMO world. But you reacted as if he was talking in some obsecure language that you do not understand.

 

Aaaand there you go again. More vague statements with nothing to back them up, while acting like you want to drop the subject. If that's the case why keep making claims? Just drop it then, is it this hard for you?

You said eve was actually challenging yet nothing to back up said statement (its as if there is a pattern here). I called you out on it, and to this point you haven't actually given anything to support such claim. Up until now all you have given us is more vague statements like the colored part and "you just dont get it".

You don't have to back up the statements you made but don't get mad when people call you out on it.

 

I simply stated that it is a popular opinion and unless you have been living under a rock over the years i am 100% sure you know that too. However, you agree with that popular opinion or not is another matter. If you think you can convince people into thinking that FFXIV is more challenging than EVE than you are  in minority. And i doubt that other than hardcore FFXIV fans as yourself, anyone is going to agree with you.

Simplistic single player storyline gameplay from lvl 1 to 50 devoid of any challenge, most mind numbing, generic and trivial side quests, watered down crafting and gathering from 1.0 (and i thought 1.0 was bad in comparison to FFXI), no danger in exploration within a small shoe sized world. The only challenge comes at hard modes once you hit 50 which is akin of typical themepark MMO model. Easy ride from lvl 1 to level cap and then throw in some hard mode dungeons... RIFT did that quite successfully already.

FFXIV is just copy pasting the same themepark formula but somehow it is more challenging than EVE? if i use that logic than i guess every themepark MMO since days of WOW is more challenging and complex than Eve.

Its amazing that you are even arguing about this with a straight face.

I find it ironic someone complaining about trivial quests when EVE's missions are basically for your first 1000 hours "go here, shoot these ships, deliver something, watch your ship move at 1 mile per hour as a boring drone of an a.i voice goes "warp engaged" over and over and over.

Call me old, wiser or jsut not in "teen goggles" anymore, but time is valuable, the olds chool mmo's didn't care about my time or life. modern ones do

so yes I strolled to level 50, had decent story, did some nice dungeons on the way, now I am challenged with a pretty damn difficult end game.

so when I say this, I say it sincerely that I and most people who value their time and life couldn't give a damn if we are not punished for playing a GAME over and over from level 1 by cheap zone difficulty or players thinking they are hip-hop-badasses for killing people alot newer/weaker than them.

if you don't like theme parks then why the hell are you here?

  Ryowulf

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9/23/13 3:25:57 PM#252

How has GW2 failed? Or Neverwinter for that matter. Tera is still around, but the sub (wow like) game warhammer is gone.  Just saying something, even if its said a lot doesn't make it true.

I don't even understand the point.  FF is VERY casual. You can level to 50 faster than any of the games you dislike.  FF is a themepark.  

It needs people to stay and play, but because the game is so casual it appears to be cutting its own throat.  If anything a sub game should be adding timesinks. It should take months or longer to hit the level cap.

  echolynfan

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I ain't got a gat but I gotta soldering gun

9/23/13 3:28:39 PM#253
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by echolynfan
Originally posted by Netspook

I also think this game is going to fail. I'm not going to crit you with a wall of text explaining why, because it can be summed up with very few words:

Though this game looks great, it's just incredibly boring.

Simple as that.

Are you old enough to remember playing Pong? Now THAT was boring - FF ARR is NOT boring...at all...not even a little bit.

 

Pong was innovative for it's time. FFXIV is not.

Sigh...no sense of hurmor...

Currently playing as Pete Puma on Excalibur. FF ARR - The best MMO I've played since SWG!

  Birdy1988

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9/23/13 3:41:51 PM#254
Originally posted by Ryowulf

How has GW2 failed? Or Neverwinter for that matter. Tera is still around, but the sub (wow like) game warhammer is gone.  Just saying something, even if its said a lot doesn't make it true.

I don't even understand the point.  FF is VERY casual. You can level to 50 faster than any of the games you dislike.  FF is a themepark.  

It needs people to stay and play, but because the game is so casual it appears to be cutting its own throat.  If anything a sub game should be adding timesinks. It should take months or longer to hit the level cap.

Sigh, fed up of people lying to me.

I maxxed 80 and 99% map on Guild Wars 2 in under a week. I then had nothing from a PvE perspective WORTH DOING.

that is a giant fail. Aesthetic gear? so friggin what most of the dungeons and bosses are so poorly designed and it was hard finding groups. because people felt the same way.

 

NWN was mediocre in every faucet.

Tera ... ugh. nice flashy graphics and action... horrible setting..

Max level Jedi Shadow in under a week.

Max Level NWN character in 4 days.

Tera wasn't worth finishing.

Hell you can go 1-90 in wow in 2-3 days.

 

NO MODERN MMOS LEVELING IS LONGER THAN A WEEK.

 

FF is so casual? have you done titan hard mode? have you done binding coil of bahamut? have you got all the classes that boost your main class leveled up? done the crafting?

4 weeks time 4 more hard modes, a 24 man raid, new primal, PvP, treasure hunting.

 

sorry mate, but guild wars 2, NWN and SWTOR had far less challenge on release.

  GeezerGamer

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9/23/13 3:50:10 PM#255
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by echolynfan
Originally posted by Netspook

I also think this game is going to fail. I'm not going to crit you with a wall of text explaining why, because it can be summed up with very few words:

Though this game looks great, it's just incredibly boring.

Simple as that.

Are you old enough to remember playing Pong? Now THAT was boring - FF ARR is NOT boring...at all...not even a little bit.

 

Pong was innovative for it's time. FFXIV is not.

As a video game, Pong was not innovative. It was a video game console released in the mid 70s for home use but, it hadn't changed much from it's earliest introduction (forgive me if my memory is off but I can't be bothered to Google this, feel free to correct me though) in a Wolds Fair from the late 40s on a Cathode Ray Tube device. Point is, Pong was pretty much the same video game unchanged for 30 years. Talk about your "clone"

I feel that the state of the genre is such that a total and complete failure is needed so it can be reborn anew.
I'm actually hoping this new generation of 8 button MMOs will make that happen.

  Hyanmen

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9/23/13 4:09:12 PM#256
Originally posted by Birdy1988
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by Hyanmen
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
I simply supported what djnexus said and something which is well known in MMO world. But you reacted as if he was talking in some obsecure language that you do not understand.

 

Aaaand there you go again. More vague statements with nothing to back them up, while acting like you want to drop the subject. If that's the case why keep making claims? Just drop it then, is it this hard for you?

You said eve was actually challenging yet nothing to back up said statement (its as if there is a pattern here). I called you out on it, and to this point you haven't actually given anything to support such claim. Up until now all you have given us is more vague statements like the colored part and "you just dont get it".

You don't have to back up the statements you made but don't get mad when people call you out on it.

 

I simply stated that it is a popular opinion and unless you have been living under a rock over the years i am 100% sure you know that too. However, you agree with that popular opinion or not is another matter. If you think you can convince people into thinking that FFXIV is more challenging than EVE than you are  in minority. And i doubt that other than hardcore FFXIV fans as yourself, anyone is going to agree with you.

Simplistic single player storyline gameplay from lvl 1 to 50 devoid of any challenge, most mind numbing, generic and trivial side quests, watered down crafting and gathering from 1.0 (and i thought 1.0 was bad in comparison to FFXI), no danger in exploration within a small shoe sized world. The only challenge comes at hard modes once you hit 50 which is akin of typical themepark MMO model. Easy ride from lvl 1 to level cap and then throw in some hard mode dungeons... RIFT did that quite successfully already.

FFXIV is just copy pasting the same themepark formula but somehow it is more challenging than EVE? if i use that logic than i guess every themepark MMO since days of WOW is more challenging and complex than Eve.

Its amazing that you are even arguing about this with a straight face.

I find it ironic someone complaining about trivial quests when EVE's missions are basically for your first 1000 hours "go here, shoot these ships, deliver something, watch your ship move at 1 mile per hour as a boring drone of an a.i voice goes "warp engaged" over and over and over.

Call me old, wiser or jsut not in "teen goggles" anymore, but time is valuable, the olds chool mmo's didn't care about my time or life. modern ones do

so yes I strolled to level 50, had decent story, did some nice dungeons on the way, now I am challenged with a pretty damn difficult end game.

so when I say this, I say it sincerely that I and most people who value their time and life couldn't give a damn if we are not punished for playing a GAME over and over from level 1 by cheap zone difficulty or players thinking they are hip-hop-badasses for killing people alot newer/weaker than them.

if you don't like theme parks then why the hell are you here?

You don't really have to go this far, everyone with some sense in them can figure out the irony in what this guy is saying. His posts do all the talking.

FF:ARR FATE grinding: People not having fun by doing something not actually intended to get to a point that doesn't really matter as fast as possible. Just so they can do the same thing over and over again to gain a piece of virtual loot.

  Yizle

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9/23/13 4:16:39 PM#257
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by echolynfan
Originally posted by Netspook

I also think this game is going to fail. I'm not going to crit you with a wall of text explaining why, because it can be summed up with very few words:

Though this game looks great, it's just incredibly boring.

Simple as that.

Are you old enough to remember playing Pong? Now THAT was boring - FF ARR is NOT boring...at all...not even a little bit.

 

Pong was innovative for it's time. FFXIV is not.

QFT

  GeezerGamer

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9/23/13 4:45:36 PM#258
Originally posted by Yizle
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by echolynfan
Originally posted by Netspook

I also think this game is going to fail. I'm not going to crit you with a wall of text explaining why, because it can be summed up with very few words:

Though this game looks great, it's just incredibly boring.

Simple as that.

Are you old enough to remember playing Pong? Now THAT was boring - FF ARR is NOT boring...at all...not even a little bit.

 

Pong was innovative for it's time. FFXIV is not.

QFT

Cuz all the innovative games were runaway blockbusters right?

I feel that the state of the genre is such that a total and complete failure is needed so it can be reborn anew.
I'm actually hoping this new generation of 8 button MMOs will make that happen.

  echolynfan

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9/23/13 7:22:07 PM#259
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Yizle
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by echolynfan
Originally posted by Netspook

I also think this game is going to fail. I'm not going to crit you with a wall of text explaining why, because it can be summed up with very few words:

Though this game looks great, it's just incredibly boring.

Simple as that.

Are you old enough to remember playing Pong? Now THAT was boring - FF ARR is NOT boring...at all...not even a little bit.

 

Pong was innovative for it's time. FFXIV is not.

QFT

Cuz all the innovative games were runaway blockbusters right?

I still can't believe people took my Pong comment seriously...it was a joke - but FF ARR is NOT = best MMO I've played in 5 years. The crafting system is definitely superior to everything that has come out in years. 

Also - I'm still waiting for someone to tell me of an MMO that is out right now that is better in this regard. 

Currently playing as Pete Puma on Excalibur. FF ARR - The best MMO I've played since SWG!

  GeezerGamer

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It's a combination of Nightingale Armor with the Mod Truebound Deadric Armors

9/23/13 9:54:59 PM#260
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I feel that the state of the genre is such that a total and complete failure is needed so it can be reborn anew.
I'm actually hoping this new generation of 8 button MMOs will make that happen.

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