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Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn

Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn 

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  nttajira

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OP  9/23/13 8:55:11 AM#1

This game one of the best , if not , the best mmorpg to come out for many years

Yet , some people bash the game for everything [mod edit]

They need to kill mobs = they dislike it , they need to grind item = they dislike it

They need do quest = they don't want to read , they need to find another player for instance = they dislike it

They need grind stuft higher level = they hate it , 

They listen to the music = they even dislike it , 

Why they play mmorpg ? Maybe you don't like the genre ?

 

If you don't like this game , can you please tell me a game you ''LOVE'' ?

because some time im reading what people say and im like ''WTF'' what wrong with you ??? go play a damn shooter game you clearly dont like mmorpg !!!

 

 

  Siug

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9/23/13 9:00:01 AM#2
Don't be overdramatic or you sound like a fanboi  I don't like this game and don't nor won't play it. Been playing MMORPGs since EQ though.
  Beelzebobbie

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If DaoC was so fun why don't you just play it?

9/23/13 9:01:49 AM#3

I agree with you, I just don't think that any game is worth a sub and if any game is worth it, it has to be massive.

I just think there are better options.

  syntax42

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9/23/13 9:03:05 AM#4

I don't like flashy Asian graphics.  While FFXIV isn't as bad as most, it still looks too over-the-top for my tastes.  In my opinion, only a few very special or powerful moves should produce large or visually-distracting graphics, not almost every ability in the game.

Does that mean I don't like MMOs in general?  No.  American and European MMOs fall perfectly into the category of graphics I can tolerate.

  ray12k

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9/23/13 9:03:29 AM#5
Same i have zero interest in this game.
  mechtech256

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9/23/13 9:05:34 AM#6

I love Eve Online, and I don't find FFXIV compelling at all. I also like old school MMOs.

 

The quest system is repetitious and straightforward. There isn't enough of a sense of discovery and exploration to hook me. I just need to be a bit more mentally engaged in my games.

 

Not all games are for everyone.

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  Kardiamond

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9/23/13 9:07:02 AM#7

Hey there!

 

To answer you :

- I love dynamic combat, and no need to be Fps style. GW2, SWTOR, Dragon prophet, tera, even Wow to an extend was good at this. In AAR, I find myself killing mobs one by one, always the same order of key. Not moving, not changing my attack order because if I do, I lose my "combo" bonus.

 

- I like dynamic leveling. I grew up to dislike quest hub. 

 

- I like any combat system that don't have a 2.5 sec global cooldown. 

 

- I like having an unique character. Having your classe, your talents, you skills. Without any talents system like most MMORPG, how do you experiment new build and how do you specialize your character? I missed that so much.

 

- I like PvP. A lot. This game doesn't have PvP yet. And the way it works, I'm not sure if it will be viable. 

 

- Dungeon run are mostly boring. Low level tho, can't talk about high level, might be cooler. So many trash mobs for nothing. 

 

Here, since you asked, I answered you with my personnal taste. AAR have some pretty neat things : Graphic, story, polish, many classes, character creation, crafting. 

Yet I didn't hook to this game, even If I forced myself to play it for 2 weeks, in hope I would grow to love it.

  Mr_Mechanical

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9/23/13 9:16:29 AM#8

Just want to point out that aside from MechTech up there, no one had the courtesy of answering the OP's questions.

 

He did not say "who dislikes FFXIV?"     but the answers thus far are basically "it's not for me."  or "i'm not interested" ----

 

Details as to why is what I think the OP is looking for.   At least in regards to comparing it to a game you DO like.

 

 

... That being said.   I no longer can bring myself to log in to FFXIV.     I was so excited for it, and hyping it so much, but in the end, it's just no where near as grand a journey as FFXI was.     A realm reborn feels very small, pathed, closed off, and linear imo.    The graphics are lovely, and the music is even better, but there's no sense of :

-SELF.    No customization or horizontal gear progression.  just "This is the chest piece you wear because.. well, this is what all White Mages wear."  

-EXPLORATION.   The hunting log is a fantastic concept, and i liked doing it, but it only hurried me into the realization that the game world is embarrassingly small and not filled with little hidden treasures and mysteries to find like FFXI did.

-LONGEVITY.    I don't bother playing an MMORPG once I realize i won't be there for the long haul.   It's just not worth the time and effort for me.     I stuck with FFXI for 2-3 years.   EVE for 9 years.   WoW for 7.    FFXIV I played a week and a half before I felt like there was no reason to play anymore.    Half the damn population hit level cap in 2 weeks after launch.    What is there to do once 50?  grind tokens for gear pieces.   That sound familiar?    (don't lie to yourself, you know that's wow-tastic of them)    no housing (yet), no pvp (yet), no worthwhile crafting (yet), no aesthetic or cosmetic items/systems (yet) ... just.....  kill stuff until your dungeon finder pops, then speed through dungeon, then zerg FATES until 50 and do it all again.       MMORPGs used to have way more soul than this.   

So, to the OP.   This is my opinion as to why I don't like it.      I think you can understand that in no way does it mean I don't like MMORPGs, but rather, I don't like playing games that sport only the features I disliked and am tired of from World of Warcraft. 

  DeathmachinePT

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9/23/13 9:17:53 AM#9
The game is aweful at least until lvl 12, it's just like any other MMORPG adds nothing new boring grind, bad immersion, no chat bubbles, you parachute into this game with few understanding of the world and your character story/background or role.
You have no voice in quests, most of npc quests or chat does not have audio.
 
I don't want to play this type of games anymore I don't want to waste my time with grind and simple fetch or kill a rat quests, just looking for immersion in MMOs now sandbox alike.
 
There is no significant market for this game since GW2 came out, I played the game for 8 hours and it didn't hook me up or many desired to play it again in the next day (at least swtor managed to hook me for more than 1 month before it ditch it)

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  koboldfodder

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9/23/13 9:18:32 AM#10

It's a good game, but there are some key design problems....BIG problems.

 

First is the easy one to spot.  The game allows you to pick any class you want and level it up.  The problem, of course, is that you can only do quests once.  So you level your first class to 50.....and that is about it.  You cannot grind mobs for EXP.  It's not a productive use of time, you simply do not gain enough EXP for what you need to level.  Quests are gone.  No more quests once you do them.  Those battle leves?  They give horrible EXP when you compare them to crafting leves.  At level 20, you can turn in a crafting leve item at high quality and get 10,000 exp....which is about 1/3 a level, maybe a little less.  Do a battle leve for that same level and you get 2000 EXP.  Do it on hard mode and you will get about 3500.  Not gonna happen.

 

So you are stuck grinding FATES which are a lesser quality version of Guild Wars 2 event things.  They are all basically the same.  Kill a number of something.  You do not even have to think or even play your class.  Just follow the massive group of people, try to hit a few mobs and get about 3000 EXP.  Then go to the next one, then the next one....

 

So there is a severe problem to the leveling mechanic in the game.  This could easily be fixed if they allow two things.  One is a shared bank, so that you can move stuff between ALTs and such.  The other is to allow you to mail stuff to your ALTS which is basically the same thing.  They do not allow this, because of the RMT people.

 

Which brings us to the second MASSIVE problem in this game.  As soon as you log into the game, you are bombarded by RMT spammers and tells.  Like no other game EVER.  This game is the poster child for gold sellers.  I have seen them in just about every game (LOTRO actually defeated the Gold Spammers with some clever leveling mechanics and a F2P no tell system).  This game is so bad that it makes you depressed.

 

Those are the two big issues facing the game.  Also, the game does nothing new and they obviously made a copy of WOW with FF trimmings, and the totality of the kill-5-goblin types of quests (and there are no other types) makes you shake your head and wish for Everquest Next to hurry up.

 

The game is a three month MMO.  You have seen them before.  You have played them before.  They last three months before you drift away.  Maybe you come back a year later to see what is going on, play it for a few weeks or so, then drift away.  It's a good version of a three month MMO, so it has that going for it.

  DeathmachinePT

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9/23/13 9:29:49 AM#11
Originally posted by Hyanmen
Originally posted by deathmachinept
 
There is no significant market for this game since GW2 came out.

The hundreds of thousands of PS3 and Japanese players should just go back to GW2...oh wait....The game is not for PS3 and the Japanese do not care.

Or are you just being racist? If so, forget about the above.

Racist LoL it adds nothing to the MMO market(PC) I don't care about PS3 or any other console, we only have MMORPGs because of PCs, consoles and just becoming bad PCs lately with poor controllers.

OP is about the game and it's mechanics not because you can play it on PS3.

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  squalleonaha

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9/23/13 9:31:33 AM#12

no game can satisfy every one. even WOW has hater. the thing is you. if you like it , play it. simple

as for comparing the game value VS the sub $15, i would go with the sale/sub number rather than fanboi VS hater threads. the number of sub will tell. if it a good game, even with sub, people will still playing it. if it not, people wont play even if you let them play for free.

this is purely my opinion. base on infor from Tokyo gameshow, the sub is 344k after 1 month. a new game usually get it highest number in 3-6 first month and then drop. so i would say FF14 is decent. not too bad and not too good either. 

  Kyleran

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9/23/13 9:33:58 AM#13

Naw, I like MMORPG's just fine, been playing them for 12+ years and still continue to do so almost daily.

Standard theme park MMO's with a gear centric, raiding end game, now those I could do without another of and from all indications, this one fits that model to a T.

So while it may be perfect for those who still enjoy this style of MMO, clearly not the title for me and anyone else who may be looking for a something a bit different in terms of game play.

But glad to see you found a title you love, but understand every game can't be for everyone.

 

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  Hyanmen

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9/23/13 9:37:31 AM#14
Originally posted by deathmachinept
Originally posted by Hyanmen
Originally posted by deathmachinept
 
There is no significant market for this game since GW2 came out.

The hundreds of thousands of PS3 and Japanese players should just go back to GW2...oh wait....The game is not for PS3 and the Japanese do not care.

Or are you just being racist? If so, forget about the above.

Racist LoL it adds nothing to the MMO market(PC) I don't care about PS3 or any other console, we only have MMORPGs because of PCs, consoles and just becoming bad PCs lately with poor controllers.

OP is about the game and it's mechanics not because you can play it on PS3.

Whether you care about it or not there is a significant market for this game even when Gw2 has come out.

Your statement I quoted is about whether or not such market exists. That's not a matter of whether deathmachinept cares about said market or not. In fact nobody gives a crap about what you care about.

FF:ARR FATE grinding: People not having fun by doing something not actually intended to get to a point that doesn't really matter as fast as possible. Just so they can do the same thing over and over again to gain a piece of virtual loot.

  Nadia

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9/23/13 9:38:17 AM#15
Originally posted by nttajira

This game one of the best , if not , the best mmorpg to come out for many years

Yet , some people bash the game for everything [mod edit]

there will *never* be a mmo that satisfies all mmorpg fans

  Hyanmen

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9/23/13 9:42:27 AM#16
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by nttajira

This game one of the best , if not , the best mmorpg to come out for many years

Yet , some people bash the game for everything [mod edit]

there will *never* be a mmo that satisfies all mmorpg fans

It can't be an awesome mmorpg if it doesnt satisfy every mmorpg fan?

FF:ARR FATE grinding: People not having fun by doing something not actually intended to get to a point that doesn't really matter as fast as possible. Just so they can do the same thing over and over again to gain a piece of virtual loot.

  Xarko

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9/23/13 9:43:09 AM#17

Nice troll title.

I tried it for a couple of hours when it was in open beta, but it failed to catch my interest. So no, but 2/10 for making me click it.

  Betaguy

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9/23/13 9:43:21 AM#18
Originally posted by nttajira

This game one of the best , if not , the best mmorpg to come out for many years

Yet , some people bash the game for everything [mod edit]

They need to kill mobs = they dislike it , they need to grind item = they dislike it

They need do quest = they don't want to read , they need to find another player for instance = they dislike it

They need grind stuft higher level = they hate it , 

They listen to the music = they even dislike it , 

Why they play mmorpg ? Maybe you don't like the genre ?

 

If you don't like this game , can you please tell me a game you ''LOVE'' ?

because some time im reading what people say and im like ''WTF'' what wrong with you ??? go play a damn shooter game you clearly dont like mmorpg !!!

 

 

I have to disagree with the topic title.  I don't like FFXIV ARR and I love MMO's. I am not going to go into detail why as there is enough post's around here as to why. 

You want to know of MMO's I love and still play today? DAoC, SWG, and WoW. Those games still have more features and mechanics that most mmo's don't.

I could say "Those that like FFXIV ARR have extremely bad taste or it is there first MMO" but I won't resort to that. ;)

  User Deleted
9/23/13 9:44:05 AM#19

Lordy, so many angry folk around.

I decided not to play FFXIV because I didn't like some of the gameplay mechanics. I wasn't even thinking of another game at the time. Just FFXIV, on its own merits. Is that so hard to understand? You won't see me making threads about it though.

If I don't like FFXIV then I don't like MMORPGs? *sighs* I don't take kindly to people telling me what I do and don't like 

  Drakynn

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9/23/13 9:48:04 AM#20
Originally posted by Kardiamond

Hey there!

 

To answer you :

- I love dynamic combat, and no need to be Fps style. GW2, SWTOR, Dragon prophet, tera, even Wow to an extend was good at this. In AAR, I find myself killing mobs one by one, always the same order of key. Not moving, not changing my attack order because if I do, I lose my "combo" bonus.

 

- I like dynamic leveling. I grew up to dislike quest hub. 

 

- I like any combat system that don't have a 2.5 sec global cooldown. 

 

- I like having an unique character. Having your classe, your talents, you skills. Without any talents system like most MMORPG, how do you experiment new build and how do you specialize your character? I missed that so much.

 

- I like PvP. A lot. This game doesn't have PvP yet. And the way it works, I'm not sure if it will be viable. 

 

- Dungeon run are mostly boring. Low level tho, can't talk about high level, might be cooler. So many trash mobs for nothing. 

 

Here, since you asked, I answered you with my personnal taste. AAR have some pretty neat things : Graphic, story, polish, many classes, character creation, crafting. 

Yet I didn't hook to this game, even If I forced myself to play it for 2 weeks, in hope I would grow to love it.

While it's nice that you gave answers the OP doesn't deserve them and is not really looking for them.His questions are rhetorical and meant to demean anyone that doesn't agree with him.

I like FFXIV but I do not agree with the OP at all.

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