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  h0tNstilettos

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9/22/13 2:54:35 AM#41

I'm actually quite shocked at the people thinking this game is a 7. This game deserved nothing under a 9. It deserves a 9 minimum. It's not perfect, but very very good, especially considering the game was remade from the ground up in just two years

 

I've played MMORPGs for 10 years, including all the big name ones like EQ1, WoW, Rift, Terra, GW2, Maplestory, and ARR is by far the best I've played. It is only launch, and many features they wanted at launch will be coming in patch 2.1 in November.

  Gallus85

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Posts: 1115

9/22/13 12:50:03 PM#42
Originally posted by h0tNstilettos

I'm actually quite shocked at the people thinking this game is a 7. This game deserved nothing under a 9. It deserves a 9 minimum. It's not perfect, but very very good, especially considering the game was remade from the ground up in just two years

 

I've played MMORPGs for 10 years, including all the big name ones like EQ1, WoW, Rift, Terra, GW2, Maplestory, and ARR is by far the best I've played. It is only launch, and many features they wanted at launch will be coming in patch 2.1 in November.

I disagree.  ARR is a "good" game, but 7 is being generous.  The graphics are less than stellar.  The combat isn't that great.  The game doesn't innovate in any areas (it's by far the most cookie-cutter traditional MMO I've ever seen).  I won't bring up it's abysmal launch.

Imo, fans of Final Fantasy, or fans of traditional themepark MMOs should give ARR a try.  It's got a decent little story and has semi-decent amount of content.  However, the game lacks a lot of depth and innovation that many current and future MMOs have.  It's just your typical themepark MMO with tab target combat, done decently well.

A rating of 5-7 is deserved.  Anything more than that is nothing more than a fan boy rating that doesn't consider the whole package or contrast it to other innovative MMOs.

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  TwoThreeFour

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9/22/13 1:05:59 PM#43
Originally posted by DMKano

1-50 is about an 8/10

once you hit 50 the game is a 6.7/10

Just my 2c

Also the story is very cheesy, someone mentioned crafting - I just got my ltw to 50 and weaver to 38 - its a grind, imo. What is so great aboit it?

Complexity. Choices.  Interdependency. Variation.

 

To give an example of complexity: You could choose to aim for 100% HQ, if you take a certain amount of steps, but if you choose a different method that yields lower % HQ and takes far less steps, the experience per hour could still be higher at the latter case. A certain crafting recipie could yield more exp per hour than another one, but give less gil per hour; this can change depending on the market situation.

  TwoThreeFour

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9/22/13 1:15:04 PM#44
Originally posted by Gallus85
Originally posted by h0tNstilettos

I'm actually quite shocked at the people thinking this game is a 7. This game deserved nothing under a 9. It deserves a 9 minimum. It's not perfect, but very very good, especially considering the game was remade from the ground up in just two years

 

I've played MMORPGs for 10 years, including all the big name ones like EQ1, WoW, Rift, Terra, GW2, Maplestory, and ARR is by far the best I've played. It is only launch, and many features they wanted at launch will be coming in patch 2.1 in November.

I disagree.  ARR is a "good" game, but 7 is being generous.  The graphics are less than stellar.  The combat isn't that great.  The game doesn't innovate in any areas (it's by far the most cookie-cutter traditional MMO I've ever seen).  I won't bring up it's abysmal launch.

Imo, fans of Final Fantasy, or fans of traditional themepark MMOs should give ARR a try.  It's got a decent little story and has semi-decent amount of content.  However, the game lacks a lot of depth and innovation that many current and future MMOs have.  It's just your typical themepark MMO with tab target combat, done decently well.

A rating of 5-7 is deserved.  Anything more than that is nothing more than a fan boy rating that doesn't consider the whole package or contrast it to other innovative MMOs.

The crafting system and market in FF blows away the grand majority of the competitors. The depth is just fine. 

 

Furthermore, on a strictly merit-based rating system, a "good game" can per definition never be 5. It is rather 7 or 8. 9 being great; 10 being excellent (ign uses a similar system). In a system, where the ratings are based on comparison and distributed according to a normal contradiction, there are not enough mmorpgs  that beat FFXIV to put it anywhere below 7.

  delateur

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Joined: 8/06/04
Posts: 157

9/22/13 5:08:59 PM#45
I just started playing on Friday. So far,I am liking the gameplay and the solo experience. Difficult to gauge the community since I had to shut off the yell and shout channels due to all the trade spam. So far, two blacklisted for trade tells. Definitely needs some oversight on SE's part. If the community is decent, I think I will stick around for a while. Solid 7/10 so far.
  echolynfan

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9/22/13 5:24:50 PM#46
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by Gallus85
Originally posted by h0tNstilettos

I'm actually quite shocked at the people thinking this game is a 7. This game deserved nothing under a 9. It deserves a 9 minimum. It's not perfect, but very very good, especially considering the game was remade from the ground up in just two years

 

I've played MMORPGs for 10 years, including all the big name ones like EQ1, WoW, Rift, Terra, GW2, Maplestory, and ARR is by far the best I've played. It is only launch, and many features they wanted at launch will be coming in patch 2.1 in November.

I disagree.  ARR is a "good" game, but 7 is being generous.  The graphics are less than stellar.  The combat isn't that great.  The game doesn't innovate in any areas (it's by far the most cookie-cutter traditional MMO I've ever seen).  I won't bring up it's abysmal launch.

Imo, fans of Final Fantasy, or fans of traditional themepark MMOs should give ARR a try.  It's got a decent little story and has semi-decent amount of content.  However, the game lacks a lot of depth and innovation that many current and future MMOs have.  It's just your typical themepark MMO with tab target combat, done decently well.

A rating of 5-7 is deserved.  Anything more than that is nothing more than a fan boy rating that doesn't consider the whole package or contrast it to other innovative MMOs.

The crafting system and market in FF blows away the grand majority of the competitors. The depth is just fine. 

 

Furthermore, on a strictly merit-based rating system, a "good game" can per definition never be 5. It is rather 7 or 8. 9 being great; 10 being excellent (ign uses a similar system). In a system, where the ratings are based on comparison and distributed according to a normal contradiction, there are not enough mmorpgs  that beat FFXIV to put it anywhere below 7.

Agreed. I'm not a fanboy of the FF franchise but I do know an excellent MMO when I play one and FF ARR deserves a soild 9 in comparison to everything else that's on the market. I want to know which games these people have been playing if they think FF ARR is only a 6-7. 

Currently playing SWTOR and it's MUCH better than it was at launch.

  Gallus85

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9/22/13 9:00:44 PM#47
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by Gallus85
Originally posted by h0tNstilettos

I'm actually quite shocked at the people thinking this game is a 7. This game deserved nothing under a 9. It deserves a 9 minimum. It's not perfect, but very very good, especially considering the game was remade from the ground up in just two years

 

I've played MMORPGs for 10 years, including all the big name ones like EQ1, WoW, Rift, Terra, GW2, Maplestory, and ARR is by far the best I've played. It is only launch, and many features they wanted at launch will be coming in patch 2.1 in November.

I disagree.  ARR is a "good" game, but 7 is being generous.  The graphics are less than stellar.  The combat isn't that great.  The game doesn't innovate in any areas (it's by far the most cookie-cutter traditional MMO I've ever seen).  I won't bring up it's abysmal launch.

Imo, fans of Final Fantasy, or fans of traditional themepark MMOs should give ARR a try.  It's got a decent little story and has semi-decent amount of content.  However, the game lacks a lot of depth and innovation that many current and future MMOs have.  It's just your typical themepark MMO with tab target combat, done decently well.

A rating of 5-7 is deserved.  Anything more than that is nothing more than a fan boy rating that doesn't consider the whole package or contrast it to other innovative MMOs.

The crafting system and market in FF blows away the grand majority of the competitors. The depth is just fine. 

 

Furthermore, on a strictly merit-based rating system, a "good game" can per definition never be 5. It is rather 7 or 8. 9 being great; 10 being excellent (ign uses a similar system). In a system, where the ratings are based on comparison and distributed according to a normal contradiction, there are not enough mmorpgs  that beat FFXIV to put it anywhere below 7.

The crafting system in FF isn't anything special.  It's better than some, but not the best by far.

The breadcrumb trail of quests and forced story quest are so unimaginative and non-innovative that it has* to have points taken off for it.

The launch was by far the worst out of the dozens of AAA MMORPGS, and certainly not a representation of what I would expect from a pay to play game.  But I don't deduct any points for that, and the issues have been mostly cleared up already.

Instanced dungeons are simplistic and often boring.

The combat system is slow, clunky and extremely cookie cutter.

Zero innovation in story telling.  Most of the cutscenes don't even have voice overs.  You can't control anything in the story.  Your story is the same as everyone else. etc etc.

The FATE public quest system is horrible.  GW2 did it WAY better, and EQ2 is set to do open world events even greater than GW2.

I could go on and on.

FFXIV is a "good" game.  And as such, 5-7 is "good" and a rating it deserves.  8 9 and 10 are reserved for great and amazing/innovating games, and 1-4 are ratings reserved for terrible - bad games.

FFXIV is a solid 5-7 depending on your own personal preferences.  If you really like themepark, traditional MMOs, and really like the asian/FF theme, a 7 is a legit score.  If you really don't care for the game, you have to admit the game is at least a 5 or 6, because what it does do (even though it's nothing great, new or revolutionary) it does well enough.

But 8 9 or 10?

On what planet? lol.

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  TwoThreeFour

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9/23/13 2:33:54 AM#48
Originally posted by Gallus85
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by Gallus85
Originally posted by h0tNstilettos

I'm actually quite shocked at the people thinking this game is a 7. This game deserved nothing under a 9. It deserves a 9 minimum. It's not perfect, but very very good, especially considering the game was remade from the ground up in just two years

 

I've played MMORPGs for 10 years, including all the big name ones like EQ1, WoW, Rift, Terra, GW2, Maplestory, and ARR is by far the best I've played. It is only launch, and many features they wanted at launch will be coming in patch 2.1 in November.

I disagree.  ARR is a "good" game, but 7 is being generous.  The graphics are less than stellar.  The combat isn't that great.  The game doesn't innovate in any areas (it's by far the most cookie-cutter traditional MMO I've ever seen).  I won't bring up it's abysmal launch.

Imo, fans of Final Fantasy, or fans of traditional themepark MMOs should give ARR a try.  It's got a decent little story and has semi-decent amount of content.  However, the game lacks a lot of depth and innovation that many current and future MMOs have.  It's just your typical themepark MMO with tab target combat, done decently well.

A rating of 5-7 is deserved.  Anything more than that is nothing more than a fan boy rating that doesn't consider the whole package or contrast it to other innovative MMOs.

The crafting system and market in FF blows away the grand majority of the competitors. The depth is just fine. 

 

Furthermore, on a strictly merit-based rating system, a "good game" can per definition never be 5. It is rather 7 or 8. 9 being great; 10 being excellent (ign uses a similar system). In a system, where the ratings are based on comparison and distributed according to a normal contradiction, there are not enough mmorpgs  that beat FFXIV to put it anywhere below 7.

The crafting system in FF isn't anything special.  It's better than some, but not the best by far.

The breadcrumb trail of quests and forced story quest are so unimaginative and non-innovative that it has* to have points taken off for it.

The launch was by far the worst out of the dozens of AAA MMORPGS, and certainly not a representation of what I would expect from a pay to play game.  But I don't deduct any points for that, and the issues have been mostly cleared up already.

Instanced dungeons are simplistic and often boring.

The combat system is slow, clunky and extremely cookie cutter.

Zero innovation in story telling.  Most of the cutscenes don't even have voice overs.  You can't control anything in the story.  Your story is the same as everyone else. etc etc.

The FATE public quest system is horrible.  GW2 did it WAY better, and EQ2 is set to do open world events even greater than GW2.

I could go on and on.

FFXIV is a "good" game.  And as such, 5-7 is "good" and a rating it deserves.  8 9 and 10 are reserved for great and amazing/innovating games, and 1-4 are ratings reserved for terrible - bad games.

FFXIV is a solid 5-7 depending on your own personal preferences.  If you really like themepark, traditional MMOs, and really like the asian/FF theme, a 7 is a legit score.  If you really don't care for the game, you have to admit the game is at least a 5 or 6, because what it does do (even though it's nothing great, new or revolutionary) it does well enough.

But 8 9 or 10?

On what planet? lol.

There are a few scores between "good" and "bad", but you seem to omit them in your score system. 

If your "5-7" is for "good", and "1-4" is for terrible-bad games, where is your rating for "mediocre" and "okay" games? I.e. what is the rating for things between "bad" and "good"?

This is all semantics of course. Of interest is to behold the ign rating system at "http://www.ign.com/wikis/ign/Game_Reviews#".

  Gallus85

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9/23/13 3:10:45 AM#49
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by Gallus85
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by Gallus85
Originally posted by h0tNstilettos

I'm actually quite shocked at the people thinking this game is a 7. This game deserved nothing under a 9. It deserves a 9 minimum. It's not perfect, but very very good, especially considering the game was remade from the ground up in just two years

 

I've played MMORPGs for 10 years, including all the big name ones like EQ1, WoW, Rift, Terra, GW2, Maplestory, and ARR is by far the best I've played. It is only launch, and many features they wanted at launch will be coming in patch 2.1 in November.

I disagree.  ARR is a "good" game, but 7 is being generous.  The graphics are less than stellar.  The combat isn't that great.  The game doesn't innovate in any areas (it's by far the most cookie-cutter traditional MMO I've ever seen).  I won't bring up it's abysmal launch.

Imo, fans of Final Fantasy, or fans of traditional themepark MMOs should give ARR a try.  It's got a decent little story and has semi-decent amount of content.  However, the game lacks a lot of depth and innovation that many current and future MMOs have.  It's just your typical themepark MMO with tab target combat, done decently well.

A rating of 5-7 is deserved.  Anything more than that is nothing more than a fan boy rating that doesn't consider the whole package or contrast it to other innovative MMOs.

The crafting system and market in FF blows away the grand majority of the competitors. The depth is just fine. 

 

Furthermore, on a strictly merit-based rating system, a "good game" can per definition never be 5. It is rather 7 or 8. 9 being great; 10 being excellent (ign uses a similar system). In a system, where the ratings are based on comparison and distributed according to a normal contradiction, there are not enough mmorpgs  that beat FFXIV to put it anywhere below 7.

The crafting system in FF isn't anything special.  It's better than some, but not the best by far.

The breadcrumb trail of quests and forced story quest are so unimaginative and non-innovative that it has* to have points taken off for it.

The launch was by far the worst out of the dozens of AAA MMORPGS, and certainly not a representation of what I would expect from a pay to play game.  But I don't deduct any points for that, and the issues have been mostly cleared up already.

Instanced dungeons are simplistic and often boring.

The combat system is slow, clunky and extremely cookie cutter.

Zero innovation in story telling.  Most of the cutscenes don't even have voice overs.  You can't control anything in the story.  Your story is the same as everyone else. etc etc.

The FATE public quest system is horrible.  GW2 did it WAY better, and EQ2 is set to do open world events even greater than GW2.

I could go on and on.

FFXIV is a "good" game.  And as such, 5-7 is "good" and a rating it deserves.  8 9 and 10 are reserved for great and amazing/innovating games, and 1-4 are ratings reserved for terrible - bad games.

FFXIV is a solid 5-7 depending on your own personal preferences.  If you really like themepark, traditional MMOs, and really like the asian/FF theme, a 7 is a legit score.  If you really don't care for the game, you have to admit the game is at least a 5 or 6, because what it does do (even though it's nothing great, new or revolutionary) it does well enough.

But 8 9 or 10?

On what planet? lol.

There are a few scores between "good" and "bad", but you seem to omit them in your score system. 

If your "5-7" is for "good", and "1-4" is for terrible-bad games, where is your rating for "mediocre" and "okay" games? I.e. what is the rating for things between "bad" and "good"?

This is all semantics of course. Of interest is to behold the ign rating system at "http://www.ign.com/wikis/ign/Game_Reviews#".

That system you linked lines up with exactly what I said.

 

my 1-4 5-7 8-10 was generalized to keep the post at a reasonable word-count, but the essence of what I said is exactly with what you agree with.

IGN: 

6.0-6.9 - OKAY

 

5.0-5.9 - MEDIOCRE

FFXIV is somewhere between Mediocre and OK (as I already stated).  It does zero innovation and lacks creativity.  It's dated in many areas and isn't a perfect game.  Some systems are down right tacked-on feeling and don't even do a good job of imitating other MMOs in many areas.  Case in point, their story and fate systems are bland and boarder on terrible.

FFXIV is not a "Bad" game, but it's certainly not: 

8.0-8.9 - GREAT

or

9.0-9.9 - AMAZING

A highly subjective and weak argument may be made for

7.0-7.9 - GOOD

But then again, I already stated 5-7 is more than fair in my previous post, though considering other games that have released over the past few years, I would disagree with FFXIV being a 7, personally, but I wouldn't cry foul if someone said they felt it was a 7.

Maybe if FFXIV had released in it's current form around the same time Aion did, I could let an 8 slip, but not today.  Not even close.

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  h0tNstilettos

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9/23/13 3:49:37 AM#50
Originally posted by Gallus85
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by Gallus85
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by Gallus85
Originally posted by h0tNstilettos

I'm actually quite shocked at the people thinking this game is a 7. This game deserved nothing under a 9. It deserves a 9 minimum. It's not perfect, but very very good, especially considering the game was remade from the ground up in just two years

 

I've played MMORPGs for 10 years, including all the big name ones like EQ1, WoW, Rift, Terra, GW2, Maplestory, and ARR is by far the best I've played. It is only launch, and many features they wanted at launch will be coming in patch 2.1 in November.

I disagree.  ARR is a "good" game, but 7 is being generous.  The graphics are less than stellar.  The combat isn't that great.  The game doesn't innovate in any areas (it's by far the most cookie-cutter traditional MMO I've ever seen).  I won't bring up it's abysmal launch.

Imo, fans of Final Fantasy, or fans of traditional themepark MMOs should give ARR a try.  It's got a decent little story and has semi-decent amount of content.  However, the game lacks a lot of depth and innovation that many current and future MMOs have.  It's just your typical themepark MMO with tab target combat, done decently well.

A rating of 5-7 is deserved.  Anything more than that is nothing more than a fan boy rating that doesn't consider the whole package or contrast it to other innovative MMOs.

The crafting system and market in FF blows away the grand majority of the competitors. The depth is just fine. 

 

Furthermore, on a strictly merit-based rating system, a "good game" can per definition never be 5. It is rather 7 or 8. 9 being great; 10 being excellent (ign uses a similar system). In a system, where the ratings are based on comparison and distributed according to a normal contradiction, there are not enough mmorpgs  that beat FFXIV to put it anywhere below 7.

The crafting system in FF isn't anything special.  It's better than some, but not the best by far.

The breadcrumb trail of quests and forced story quest are so unimaginative and non-innovative that it has* to have points taken off for it.

The launch was by far the worst out of the dozens of AAA MMORPGS, and certainly not a representation of what I would expect from a pay to play game.  But I don't deduct any points for that, and the issues have been mostly cleared up already.

Instanced dungeons are simplistic and often boring.

The combat system is slow, clunky and extremely cookie cutter.

Zero innovation in story telling.  Most of the cutscenes don't even have voice overs.  You can't control anything in the story.  Your story is the same as everyone else. etc etc.

The FATE public quest system is horrible.  GW2 did it WAY better, and EQ2 is set to do open world events even greater than GW2.

I could go on and on.

FFXIV is a "good" game.  And as such, 5-7 is "good" and a rating it deserves.  8 9 and 10 are reserved for great and amazing/innovating games, and 1-4 are ratings reserved for terrible - bad games.

FFXIV is a solid 5-7 depending on your own personal preferences.  If you really like themepark, traditional MMOs, and really like the asian/FF theme, a 7 is a legit score.  If you really don't care for the game, you have to admit the game is at least a 5 or 6, because what it does do (even though it's nothing great, new or revolutionary) it does well enough.

But 8 9 or 10?

On what planet? lol.

There are a few scores between "good" and "bad", but you seem to omit them in your score system. 

If your "5-7" is for "good", and "1-4" is for terrible-bad games, where is your rating for "mediocre" and "okay" games? I.e. what is the rating for things between "bad" and "good"?

This is all semantics of course. Of interest is to behold the ign rating system at "http://www.ign.com/wikis/ign/Game_Reviews#".

That system you linked lines up with exactly what I said.

 

my 1-4 5-7 8-10 was generalized to keep the post at a reasonable word-count, but the essence of what I said is exactly with what you agree with.

IGN: 

6.0-6.9 - OKAY

 

5.0-5.9 - MEDIOCRE

FFXIV is somewhere between Mediocre and OK (as I already stated).  It does zero innovation and lacks creativity.  It's dated in many areas and isn't a perfect game.  Some systems are down right tacked-on feeling and don't even do a good job of imitating other MMOs in many areas.  Case in point, their story and fate systems are bland and boarder on terrible.

FFXIV is not a "Bad" game, but it's certainly not: 

8.0-8.9 - GREAT

or

9.0-9.9 - AMAZING

A highly subjective and weak argument may be made for

7.0-7.9 - GOOD

But then again, I already stated 5-7 is more than fair in my previous post, though considering other games that have released over the past few years, I would disagree with FFXIV being a 7, personally, but I wouldn't cry foul if someone said they felt it was a 7.

Maybe if FFXIV had released in it's current form around the same time Aion did, I could let an 8 slip, but not today.  Not even close.

Lol, there is no way you are very experienced in MMOs to think this game deserves a mediocre or okay rating. The original horrible FFXIV has a rating of 5.1 already, which you claim ARR deserves the same. ARR is leaps and bounds better than the original, AND better than most AAA titles out there. You also claim ARR does nothing new and innovative. There's only one other MMORPG that does crafting similar to ARR, though I don't remember the name of it, but it is nowhere near as good as ARRs. And let's not forget gathering. Other innovations include the Gold Saucer amusement park coming in a future patch, and let's not forget treasure hunting coming in the first patch 2.1, and Chocobo raising and breeding. Yes, raising pets has been done before, but ARR's companion system that where your chocobo can be a mount, battle companion, and the raising and breeding aspect for chocobos make this game's approach much more in-depth. Housing is also superior in this game compared to any MMORPG before it. You would know this if you've read about it. The Armoury system is very nice as well. There are other innovations slipping my mind. Let's not forget about how much ARR caters to solo players. Very few MMORPGs have such a balance between solo and group play. Let's not forget how superior the music and storyline are compared to most MMOs. Let's not forget how much more well designed the tutorial stages of the game are that introduce players at a nice pace. You are simply one of the people that think ARR does nothing innovative because it disguises itself as a traditional MMORPG. They did this intentionally. They took things that have been done before, but innovated them. Plus the things I mentioned not done before coming. It sounds to me like you think the game is not amazing unless it does everything completely different and new to the point where it's not even recognizable as an MMORPG.

 
 
 
 
  Gallus85

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Joined: 3/13/11
Posts: 1115

9/23/13 4:16:31 AM#51
Originally posted by h0tNstilettos

Lol, there is no way you are very experienced in MMOs to think this game deserves a mediocre or okay rating. The original horrible FFXIV has a rating of 5.1 already, which you claim ARR deserves the same. ARR is leaps and bounds better than the original, AND better than most AAA titles out there. You also claim ARR does nothing new and innovative. There's only one other MMORPG that does crafting similar to ARR, though I don't remember the name of it, but it is nowhere near as good as ARRs. And let's not forget gathering. Other innovations include the Gold Saucer amusement park coming in a future patch, and let's not forget treasure hunting coming in the first patch 2.1, and Chocobo raising and breeding. Yes, raising pets has been done before, but ARR's companion system that where your chocobo can be a mount, battle companion, and the raising and breeding aspect for chocobos make this game's approach much more in-depth. Housing is also superior in this game compared to any MMORPG before it. You would know this if you've read about it. The Armoury system is very nice as well. There are other innovations slipping my mind. Let's not forget about how much ARR caters to solo players. Very few MMORPGs have such a balance between solo and group play. Let's not forget how superior the music and storyline are compared to most MMOs. Let's not forget how much more well designed the tutorial stages of the game are that introduce players at a nice pace. You are simply one of the people that think ARR does nothing innovative because it disguises itself as a traditional MMORPG. They did this intentionally. They took things that have been done before, but innovated them. Plus the things I mentioned not done before coming. It sounds to me like you think the game is not amazing unless it does everything completely different and new to the point where it's not even recognizable as an MMORPG.

 
 
 
 

You can see the list of MMOs I've played "seriously" in my signature and I've given far more than that a fair shake of a try.  You simply rattle off a bunch of features you like in the game and put far too much emotion into your post.  Too much "me me me" and not enough stepping back and looking at the big picture.

Case in point, you clearly haven't played many MMORPGs, especially sandbox ones, if you think FFARR has "The best crafting".  The system isn't even as good as Vanguard's crafting system, and that game came out about 5 or 6 years ago.

You need to learn to be a little more objective in your posts.  Branch out and actually play a broader amount of MMOs, or games in general.  You clearly put too much weight in what you like and fail to evaluate the game in a more objective way.

Not that I can blame you.  A lot of people judge games very subjectively,  but you're not going to win an argument with your emotional pleas.

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  echolynfan

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9/23/13 9:39:02 AM#52
Originally posted by Gallus85
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by Gallus85
Originally posted by h0tNstilettos

I'm actually quite shocked at the people thinking this game is a 7. This game deserved nothing under a 9. It deserves a 9 minimum. It's not perfect, but very very good, especially considering the game was remade from the ground up in just two years

 

I've played MMORPGs for 10 years, including all the big name ones like EQ1, WoW, Rift, Terra, GW2, Maplestory, and ARR is by far the best I've played. It is only launch, and many features they wanted at launch will be coming in patch 2.1 in November.

I disagree.  ARR is a "good" game, but 7 is being generous.  The graphics are less than stellar.  The combat isn't that great.  The game doesn't innovate in any areas (it's by far the most cookie-cutter traditional MMO I've ever seen).  I won't bring up it's abysmal launch.

Imo, fans of Final Fantasy, or fans of traditional themepark MMOs should give ARR a try.  It's got a decent little story and has semi-decent amount of content.  However, the game lacks a lot of depth and innovation that many current and future MMOs have.  It's just your typical themepark MMO with tab target combat, done decently well.

A rating of 5-7 is deserved.  Anything more than that is nothing more than a fan boy rating that doesn't consider the whole package or contrast it to other innovative MMOs.

The crafting system and market in FF blows away the grand majority of the competitors. The depth is just fine. 

 

Furthermore, on a strictly merit-based rating system, a "good game" can per definition never be 5. It is rather 7 or 8. 9 being great; 10 being excellent (ign uses a similar system). In a system, where the ratings are based on comparison and distributed according to a normal contradiction, there are not enough mmorpgs  that beat FFXIV to put it anywhere below 7.

The crafting system in FF isn't anything special.  It's better than some, but not the best by far.

The breadcrumb trail of quests and forced story quest are so unimaginative and non-innovative that it has* to have points taken off for it.

The launch was by far the worst out of the dozens of AAA MMORPGS, and certainly not a representation of what I would expect from a pay to play game.  But I don't deduct any points for that, and the issues have been mostly cleared up already.

Instanced dungeons are simplistic and often boring.

The combat system is slow, clunky and extremely cookie cutter.

Zero innovation in story telling.  Most of the cutscenes don't even have voice overs.  You can't control anything in the story.  Your story is the same as everyone else. etc etc.

The FATE public quest system is horrible.  GW2 did it WAY better, and EQ2 is set to do open world events even greater than GW2.

I could go on and on.

FFXIV is a "good" game.  And as such, 5-7 is "good" and a rating it deserves.  8 9 and 10 are reserved for great and amazing/innovating games, and 1-4 are ratings reserved for terrible - bad games.

FFXIV is a solid 5-7 depending on your own personal preferences.  If you really like themepark, traditional MMOs, and really like the asian/FF theme, a 7 is a legit score.  If you really don't care for the game, you have to admit the game is at least a 5 or 6, because what it does do (even though it's nothing great, new or revolutionary) it does well enough.

But 8 9 or 10?

On what planet? lol.

There's only one crafting system that I know of that is better than FF ARR and it's SWG. Please tell me which game that's out NOW that you think is better - I should be playing THAT game.

Currently playing SWTOR and it's MUCH better than it was at launch.

  djazzy

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9/23/13 11:37:05 AM#53
It's a pretty standard mmorpg with a FF skin on it. I'm not a fan of it really but I've played worse games before. I'd give it around 7.5 out of 10 if you had to push me for a number (although I dislike rating systems like that). But I do give kudos to the developers for remaking the game. I can't really think of another mmorpg that has done that. So good for them and good for the fans that stuck with it.
  veccon

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9/24/13 2:49:27 PM#54
Originally posted by Mahavishnu

Strange review, they did not say anything about the boring quests (and they are very, very, very boring, add fate farming - and no, they are bullshit compared to dynamic events in GW2!). Over all the leveling experience feels a little grindy and dull. The world feels tiny with a lot of zoning and invisible walls.

And then they leave out the crafting, which is fantastic. GW2 has a very comfortable system with cool features, but it is nothing compared to the crafting they have in FFXIV.

I stopped playing Guild Wars for a number of reasons. The dungeons are way to late game, and terrible.  The classes are the WORST I have ever been exposed to. Not a single class I ever want to play, and combat made me fall asleep. Oh, and for the love of God and all that is holy, the underwater combat in that game was the most painful thing I have ever experienced. AND THERE'S TONS OF IT.

So far, FFXIV has more dungeons, BETTER dungeons, better combat, classes you are actually excited to play and level (Glad, Thaumaterge and Lancer are all on my books) and sweet sweet cross classing. Oh, and I'm level 20, and have not spent a SINGLE SECOND in underwanter combat. By level 20 in GW2, I had spent enough time underwater and trying to work that awful system to know it was going to be a gigantic problem later on. Oh, and GW's skill system is garbage. Either give me more custom slots, or piss off with your stupid weapon skills.

  tommygunzII

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9/24/13 10:54:00 PM#55

The fact that when you type something your characters lips move in game makes this superior to almost every other MMO. It's the little things that make this gem shine. You haters aren't fooling anyone with the "it should be a 7" comments, you can try misleading people all you want but it will still be better than your game. 

 

In this lackluster genre this title easily deserves a 8/10 minimum, nothing less.

  Kreeture

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Posts: 55

9/29/13 9:08:54 AM#56
Money wasn't an issue for me- teleporting EVERYWHERE until I hit lvl 50 and ran out of quests. I had 200 k worth of money bags I didn't even cash in till my first big expense. Since then I have been leveling botony and weaving to supplement my gil supply. I am not wealthy anymore but I make enough to get by . Im guessing when I get my crafting/harvesting a bit higher I will have plenty of cash
I am enjoying this game ! Very consuming~
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