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  PAL-18

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9/22/13 5:41:00 AM#21

all of these "friend finders " are garbage.

But dont blame these terrible tools if they dont deliver real friends.

 

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  deniter

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9/22/13 5:43:10 AM#22

1) Dungeon finders are the cancer of the modern MMO gaming.

2) If it's even remotely possible to clear content in 20-30 level lower gear, the game is broken.

3) You should always be able to choose the people you are going to play with. Playing with a terrible personality or a terrible player is not fun.

And no, i haven't played mmos for 3 years now..

  Nadia

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9/22/13 5:53:44 AM#23
Originally posted by time007

When is gear score coming out? 

probably wont see gearscore until 2014

 

expected to happen sometime after the 2.1 patch

gear score is only for high level dungeons

http://www.xivnation.com/news/whats-gear-score-sorry-cant-go/

 

 

  time007

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OP  9/22/13 6:01:00 AM#24
Originally posted by page975
Originally posted by time007
Originally posted by page975
Originally posted by time007

Just a quick response to some of the replies:

 

A.  It wasn't a child because his replies about his gear were like "meh (insert sarcastic comment here)". DOn't know any small children that use "meh maybe later" etc.

B.  The guy was aware there was a starter dungeon, and he was in the 2nd level dungeon

C.  How am I being elite?  I'm not in the starter dungeon, he knows it isn't the starter dungeon, he knows the starter dungeon exists, he knows the market exists.  So I'm not being an elitist "dick" as was put in here, I just want more than some freeloader in level 28 gear in a level 55 dungeon! 

D.  There is a market, it costs like 3,0000-5,000 for level 40-50 rings and gear

E.  When someone quit, he was like "oh I don't care I'm watching tv"  So the guy was a jerk

 

Lastly, this is very common even in Ifrit.  People routinely get one shotted so its basically a 5-6 man raid.  People are sporting level 20 and 30 gear in a level 70 boss raid.  That's not elitist that is a fact.  Facts don't make me elitist.  Do you think people wearing level 20s & 30s gear in a level 55 dungeon or level 70 boss is acceptable?  Really?  If so, I'm guess your one of the offenders I'm talking about.

 

(btw, it isn't just one piece here and there.  It's people decked out in this crap. level 45 starter gear, level 30s belts, and level 20s/30s accessories.  Gear score is coming when?

1)  Stop playing Vampire Hours !

2)  Research for a good guild !

Both are your responsibility and your problem.

Again, you aren't addressing the issue.  The issue is they aren't addressing their responsibility, which is to dps, heal, tank what have you.  That is THEIR responsibility.  Being able to fill your role is their responsibility.  I dunno why you wanna bring non game issues into a game discussion.  My hours of play or guild has nothing to do with their piggybacking does it?  So learn to address the core issue.  The core issue isn't my RL, but there being no gear score lock out. 

EVERY MMO SINCE THE FIRST TWO YEARS OF MMO HISTORY, players played like this.

it is your responsibility to over come this issue. You are not gonna change how people play EVER. If your playing late hours and have less of a player base, they ONLY YOU can change this.

This is a fact !!!....Its up to you and you alone

You need to enroll in a logic course or a debate training course at a university near you or something, because your replies are flawed and not relevant to the topic of gear score.

 

A.  My play hours have nothing to do with the devs introducing gear score into the game

B.  Your reply that I should change my play hours is like saying "stick your head in the sand".  I see this flawed reply to many many posts.  Please remember this going forward when you post.  Think to yourself, "is what I'm posting talking about the fixing the issue at hand? or am I telling the guy to avoid the issue and do something else?" 

C.  The issue is players undergeared going into high level dungeons. 

D.  I don't have to change my play hours.   Gear score would require them to farm gear near to their level to do harder stuff.  Changing my play hours doesn't fix the problem in the game.  so again this reply from you is like saying "hey be an ostrich, stick your head in the sand"

E.  Again, just for your replies:  Replies that don't address the issue are too many to count.  I could make 50 suggestions off the top of my head that appear somewhat related to my post but actually aren't.  I could say "well why don't I unplug my computer so I don't have to deal with it.  I mean it's my responsibility to whether or not I'm exposed to this piggybacking?  If it turn off my computer and don't play that's the same as me changing times and playing during the day or finding a good guild right?  And doing this solves the problem of piggybacking that exists across all servers right?  If I just find a better time it will fix the issue im discussing right?  Wrong, I'm talking about gear score, which would fix the issue.  Not about one of 20,000 things that aren't directly related to the issue of gear score being implemented. 

  zasten

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9/22/13 6:12:00 AM#25
Originally posted by Squeak69
funny sounds like elitism to me, but meh I don't have issues with pugs much.

Sounds like it to me too, but I don't play the game, so is will not bother me ;p

  Kyleran

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9/22/13 7:06:56 AM#26
Originally posted by time007
Originally posted by page975
Originally posted by time007
Originally posted by page975
Originally posted by time007

Just a quick response to some of the replies:


Both are your responsibility and your problem.

Again, you aren't addressing the issue.  The issue is they aren't addressing their responsibility, which is to dps, heal, tank what have you.  . 

EVERY MMO SINCE THE FIRST TWO YEARS OF MMO HISTORY, players played like this.

it is your responsibility to over come this issue. You are not gonna change how people play EVER. If your playing late hours and have less of a player base, they ONLY YOU can change this.

This is a fact !!!....Its up to you and you alone

You need to enroll in a logic course or a debate training course at a university near you or something, because your replies are flawed and not relevant to the topic of gear score.

 A.  My play hours have nothing to do with the devs introducing gear score into the game

No it doesn't, but adjusting your play hours might be one possible solution to completing the content until the devs get around to adding one (along with a kicking tool) which I believe SE has already said will be coming soon [TM]

B.  Your reply that I should change my play hours is like saying "stick your head in the sand".  I see this flawed reply to many many posts.  Please remember this going forward when you post.  Think to yourself, "is what I'm posting talking about the fixing the issue at hand? or am I telling the guy to avoid the issue and do something else?" 

Well no, sticking your head in the sand would not help you accomplish your real  goal, (completing the content), adjusting your play hours, finding a guild with similar play hours might actually help you do so.

C.  The issue is players undergeared going into high level dungeons. 

Definitely an issue, and until SE gets around to provide the tools to resolve it you will need to find creative ways to work around it which several folks are helpfully providing you.  (but free advise is often worth what you paid for it)

Sometimes it's better to light a candle than curse the darkness.

D.  I don't have to change my play hours.   Gear score would require them to farm gear near to their level to do harder stuff.  Changing my play hours doesn't fix the problem in the game.  so again this reply from you is like saying "hey be an ostrich, stick your head in the sand"

No you don't, but as I pointed out, the tools don't currently exist, but will at some point in the near future, perhaps you might consider not beating your head against a wall? (or shouting at the devil?)

E.  Again, just for your replies:  Replies that don't address the issue are too many to count.  I could make 50 suggestions off the top of my head that appear somewhat related to my post but actually aren't.  I could say "well why don't I unplug my computer so I don't have to deal with it.  I mean it's my responsibility to whether or not I'm exposed to this piggybacking?  If it turn off my computer and don't play that's the same as me changing times and playing during the day or finding a good guild right?  And doing this solves the problem of piggybacking that exists across all servers right?  If I just find a better time it will fix the issue im discussing right?  Wrong, I'm talking about gear score, which would fix the issue.  Not about one of 20,000 things that aren't directly related to the issue of gear score being implemented. 

As someone else said, you aren't going to fix the player base, I gave up on PUGS long ago because of the types of behavior you experienced which even getting a proper gear score put in  won't change.

Until SE puts in the changes you're pretty much stuck either working around the problem as suggested (which people have been doing since MMO's first started)

Oh yes, and if you come to these forums expecting people to be sympathetic to your plight, OK fine, I agree with you, those players should not come under-geared to the dungeon, and you are a better player because you don't do this.

But most folks here are going to expect you to figure out ways to work around the problem and manage the situation until it changes, and some folks will mock you for showing an inability to be flexible and do so. (Many will attack anything that comes across as whining)

 

Arrogant, Condescending, Dismissive, Elitist, you speak as if these are bad things?
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  User Deleted
9/22/13 7:22:49 AM#27

Even if they implement gear score, it's still not an IQ test. Lazy moochers will still watch tv while you pull all of the weight. 

The dungeon finder isn't garbage, some players are. There is no feature that can remove that fact. 

  Electro057

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9/22/13 7:31:10 AM#28
Originally posted by Roxtarr

Even if they implement gear score, it's still not an IQ test. Lazy moochers will still watch tv while you pull all of the weight. 

The dungeon finder isn't garbage, some players are. There is no feature that can remove that fact. 

We have a winner, stupid people will always be stupid now matter how well geared their characters are....And they'll always die from standing in the fire. 

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  tort0429

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9/22/13 7:32:20 AM#29
Originally posted by Tinybina
Originally posted by Squeak69
funny sounds like elitism to me, but meh I don't have issues with pugs much.

 

 

Lets say you have a potluck.  You bring steak, someone else brought Lobster, another person brought lasagna, another person brings BBQ ribs and then the last person brings paper cups and plates....

 

Please explain to me how this would be fair.

 

On a side note, I am now hungry...

I think this is very fair, you need something to eat and drink out of.   

  tort0429

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9/22/13 7:48:38 AM#30
Originally posted by zasten
Originally posted by Squeak69
funny sounds like elitism to me, but meh I don't have issues with pugs much.

Sounds like it to me too, but I don't play the game, so is will not bother me ;p

I think people need to give the op a break, he asked a valid question, no need to bash him/her.

 

If a level 20 player goes to a level 50 zone, they will die.   That is pretty clear cut.   What you bring up is interesting OP because the question is not so clear cut as my example.   You can be a level 40 going into a level 40 dungeon but have level 30 gear.  The game will allow it but I'm not sure why you would want to do that.  If you want to contribute to the entire group, you need to do what you can to be prepared for the dungeon ahead.

 

So with that said, I agree with the people that said your attitude towards these players is a bit harsh and I also understand your point of view on how it can be a frustrating situation.  So, breathe.  

 

What to do? As someone else said, MMO's are social games.  Talk to the mate, give him some tips, offer to help it out, explain in a 'kind' way that he's simply going to DIE or not contribute well.  Maybe you are  a more experienced player, sounds like you are, then that player, but in the end, it doesn't give you the right to call them names or be disrespectful.

 

So your question is interesting and valid, your approach needs a bit of fine tuning.   :)

 

  Swids2010

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9/22/13 7:48:58 AM#31
Some of you guys need to get a clue I don't care how good a players is if he's in gear 20-30 levels lower than the content your doing he's dragging the party down fact.
  TwoThreeFour

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9/22/13 8:19:49 AM#32
Originally posted by Roxtarr

Even if they implement gear score, it's still not an IQ test. Lazy moochers will still watch tv while you pull all of the weight. 

The dungeon finder isn't garbage, some players are. There is no feature that can remove that fact. 

IQ, latency and nimble fingers are far from related. 

  IridescentOrk

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9/22/13 8:47:40 AM#33
find another group? if you use the dungeon finder you should be aware that under geared players will be there; either suck it up or run dungeons with your guild; dungeon finder works as intended.

gameplay > graphics

  User Deleted
9/22/13 10:34:56 AM#34

Is this a thread where the OP just learns how bad PUGS can be at complicated endgame content (yes I know the game is stupidly easy for you uber pros but most normal people it is difficult)

 

Use the dungeon finder in addition to forming your own group...basically get into an FC, get into a few LFG Linkshells...Manually fill your group with people who know what they are doing...if heals or tank can only do one run, then just use the dungeon finder to fill the rest...if you cant find anyone else...

It is fun popping into the dungeon finder for AK or Garuda HM and watching the the attitude of people:

1. First run a silent wipe, no communication.

2. Suggestion that the people who screwed up take a second to watch the youtube walkthrough.

3. people who screwed up scoff at idea of learning the fight, say its for scrubs who are bad and need a crutch...despite they wiped group just now.

4. everyone leaves.

 

Funny stuff.

I cant imagine what titan HM will be in the duty finder...people are barely coordinated enough to deal with garuda.

  Ridelynn

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9/22/13 10:42:43 AM#35


Originally posted by Tinybina

Originally posted by Squeak69 funny sounds like elitism to me, but meh I don't have issues with pugs much.
 

 

Lets say you have a potluck.  You bring steak, someone else brought Lobster, another person brought lasagna, another person brings BBQ ribs and then the last person brings paper cups and plates....

 

Please explain to me how this would be fair.
On a side note, I am now hungry...


Well, unless you plan to eat everything straight off the table and drink out of the tap, it sounds pretty fair to me.

  Ridelynn

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9/22/13 10:49:18 AM#36


Originally posted by time007
When is gear score coming out?  I just got a Amdapor keep PUG with a guy wearing 5 pieces of sub level 38 gear.  He had a level 28 belt, 2 level 28 rings, and two level 38 pieces of jewelry.  He also has level 45 armor on.  This is for a level 55 dungeon!!!

Gear aside - how did the person do? Did you beat the dungeon? How many times did you wipe? Or did you even try?

Right now, I see no information correlating this player's gear to anything performance related. If it caused you to wipe repeatedly and you ran the dungeon timer out - ok, then you have some grounds to be concerned, and I applaud you for trying to help the guy out - and hope more people take it as an example of what a good community should do. If you looked at the guys gear and immediately withdrew from the duty so you could re-que with someone with as good or better gear than you for a fast run, then that's definitely elitist and a bit hypocritical.

To date, I haven't had much problem with the Duty Finder. I've had some groups where we have struggled, but those usually end up being the more fun runs - things get unorthodox, but that makes it more interesting. Very very rarely, I'll have someone just drop and leave the group after the first wipe or misstep - that's unfortunate, but it's not very often at all.

But then again, maybe this guy with the crappy gear is me, and I'm always being carried through all my dungeons in a clueless stupor with little to nothing to add to the dynamic.

  Rottstein

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9/22/13 10:49:53 AM#37
Originally posted by Ridelynn

 


Originally posted by Tinybina

Originally posted by Squeak69 funny sounds like elitism to me, but meh I don't have issues with pugs much.
 

 

 

Lets say you have a potluck.  You bring steak, someone else brought Lobster, another person brought lasagna, another person brings BBQ ribs and then the last person brings paper cups and plates....

 

Please explain to me how this would be fair.
On a side note, I am now hungry...


 

Well, unless you plan to eat everything straight off the table and drink out of the tap, it sounds pretty fair to me.

Who brings steak and lobster to a potluck?  Most people bring macaroni and cheese, some little finger food and soda.  This is a perfect example of people who think their gaming is topnotch, yet bring it to the common folk and then get upset when their expectations aren't met.  Of course this persons effort isn't necessarily any more than the person who isn't geared as well, but they think should not have to 'carry' a person who is trying just as hard but isn't as 'privileged' (ie hasn't gotten drops)

  DMKano

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9/22/13 10:53:33 AM#38


Originally posted by time007 When is gear score coming out?  I just got a Amdapor keep PUG with a guy wearing 5 pieces of sub level 38 gear.  He had a level 28 belt, 2 level 28 rings, and two level 38 pieces of jewelry.  He also has level 45 armor on.  This is for a level 55 dungeon!!!   This isn't elitism from my side, its them piggyback riding off of people who work hard.  This happens a lot with dungeon finder. I know they said they would put gear score in but when.  This is getting ridiculous.    This isn't the starter dungeon either.  Even if I find a guildie or two to group with we always get one busted up idiot in here who wants to piggy back off us.    And don't say, oh why don't you get a full team then so you don't have to pug.  Well you can if everyone is online, but I play late at night so its hard to get a full team on my server.
 

My FC cleared AK in the first week post launch - all.of us were in mid 30s gear.

Gear means very little in this game.

  Vladamyre

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9/22/13 11:08:12 AM#39
Originally posted by time007

When is gear score coming out?  I just got a Amdapor keep PUG with a guy wearing 5 pieces of sub level 38 gear.  He had a level 28 belt, 2 level 28 rings, and two level 38 pieces of jewelry.  He also has level 45 armor on.  This is for a level 55 dungeon!!!

 

This isn't elitism from my side, its them piggyback riding off of people who work hard.  This happens a lot with dungeon finder. I know they said they would put gear score in but when.  This is getting ridiculous. 

 

This isn't the starter dungeon either.  Even if I find a guildie or two to group with we always get one busted up idiot in here who wants to piggy back off us. 

 

And don't say, oh why don't you get a full team then so you don't have to pug.  Well you can if everyone is online, but I play late at night so its hard to get a full team on my server.

You're throwing a fit because people are wearing low level pieces of jewelry and they don't even make that big of a difference. The stat differences from the level 70 blue darklight gear is only 1 point higher in most stats then the level 60 green jewelry you get in amdapor keep. The real difference makers are the weapons and armor. Amdapor keep isn't hard for people to clear with ease in full AF gear and a darklight weapon from wanderers palace. The level 49 and 50 gear you buy off the market has about 5 to 6 on a stat, where as the level 30 jewelry has 3-4 on a stat, so the difference isn't anything to complain about. When you see people wearing level 20 and 30 armor in amdapor keep, then you can cry about it.

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  strangepowers

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9/22/13 11:28:19 AM#40


Originally posted by Tinybina

Originally posted by Squeak69 funny sounds like elitism to me, but meh I don't have issues with pugs much.
 

 

Lets say you have a potluck.  You bring steak, someone else brought Lobster, another person brought lasagna, another person brings BBQ ribs and then the last person brings paper cups and plates....

 

Please explain to me how this would be fair.

 

On a side note, I am now hungry...


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