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  Spacemyface

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9/20/13 4:41:45 PM#161
Originally posted by jpnz
Originally posted by Spacemyface
 

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what's next? making players pass a criminal background check before being able to play a freaking game? this whole concept is like the 1984 of the gaming world...and yes these principles reach far beyond this small spectrum of online activity. ...cough NSA cough

Last I checked, Sony isn't hacking Twitter or your Facebook account.

The gamers themselves have to give authorisation to Sony.

Don't like that, don't buy Sony products.

Difference between this and 1984/NSA is that one is voluntary and one is mandatory.

If you can't see the difference, well, look harder. :P

I would say that the problem is the fact that they want you to give them the authority to do this in order to play a game of theirs. My issue is that i feel as if they shouldn't be able to make those kinds of calls based on outside interactions between you and another...And as someone said earlier, i find it reasonable if its for the sake of preventing hacking or any form of exploitation, but other than that, i for one feel as if they are overstepping their bounds by a long shot.

 

I mean, i don't even play SOE games, I just hate to see someone having to voluntarily give up their freedoms on the internet in order to play one of their titles if they were so inclined.

  Tygranir

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Joined: 6/24/13
Posts: 765

9/20/13 4:44:35 PM#162
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by urdriel

 


WAIT,WAIT,WAIT,WAIT,WAIT,WAIT,WAIT,¡¡¡¡¡

So, if I buy a new car, and i talk shyt about it in internet, the company can send an employee to MY house and steal MY car??

Of course, by some peoples logic. Why not? Apparently it's the companies right to do so.

Can you not see the difference between paying for a service and buying a physical product?  A service will have stipulations in place that can at times restrict your access or even revoke your access to those services. This is no different.

I purchased Everquest 1. I own the physical copy. Everquest 1 is free-to-play. I'm no longer paying for a service with SOE. I have an absolute right to play their game because I've purchased the product.

No, you have a right to keep your physical discs, you have no right to access their servers if you break the ToS

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  Distopia

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9/20/13 4:44:45 PM#163
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by urdriel

 


WAIT,WAIT,WAIT,WAIT,WAIT,WAIT,WAIT,¡¡¡¡¡

So, if I buy a new car, and i talk shyt about it in internet, the company can send an employee to MY house and steal MY car??

Of course, by some peoples logic. Why not? Apparently it's the companies right to do so.

Can you not see the difference between paying for a service and buying a physical product?  A service will have stipulations in place that can at times restrict your access or even revoke your access to those services. This is no different.

I purchased Everquest 1. I own the physical copy. Everquest 1 is free-to-play. I'm no longer paying for a service with SOE. I have an absolute right to play their game because I've purchased the product.

In this case it's not a physical product, it's viewed as a service, a service with rules to follow. You realize every company practices this right? Legally....

Steam can ban you from every game you've purchased from them, simply for breaking their rules, there's nothing you can legally do about it.

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  g0m0rrah

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Joined: 1/23/13
Posts: 214

9/20/13 4:45:05 PM#164

 

 The law is fluid.  One day something is illegal and the next day it isnt, or vice versa.  ToS and EULA are dismissed out of hand often.  A lot of these contracts violate state and federal laws.  Jailbreaking iphones and ipods are a great example of this.  In my opinion, SoE is really asking for trouble with this.  If you are going to ban people, you better log log log, to show that fair treatment is conducted.  Even if fair treatment is attainable(which is impossible), the laws change so often that one month you win this lawsuit and the next month you lose it and pay millions.

  I have had two rental agreements throw out and those are much more solid contracts than a digital eula or tos.  Most landlords do not have access to the proper lawyers and its awful easy to violate state laws.  The first one tried to charge me for 4 months rent, since I terminated 4 months early.  I gave him documentation showing that I was recalled by the Navy.  This went on my credit history.  My landlord violated the law  and I paid for it for a couple years. In the end, he paid for it far more than I.  The second was that they tried to charge me early termination for 3 months when they already had the apartment rented out 3 weeks after I moved out.  I had already paid them for one month.  My state law says, you can not charge for rent more than once.  So that got thrown out fast.

  The law is fluid.  Contracts must change as the laws change...

  Rangeronesix

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Joined: 9/07/10
Posts: 6

9/20/13 4:47:47 PM#165

A couple points:  EULA's and shrink wrap licenses are generally enforceable, more so if there is some action needed to accept them prior to installation or use (like clicking 'I agree').  See ProCD v Zeidenberg.  

Also, you owe U.S. taxes regardless of whether you file a return.  If you owe, and don't file, you'll just owe more in penalties once the IRS catches up to you.

  Tygranir

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Joined: 6/24/13
Posts: 765

9/20/13 4:47:48 PM#166
Originally posted by g0m0rrah

 

 The law is fluid.  One day something is illegal and the next day it isnt, or vice versa.  ToS and EULA are dismissed out of hand often.  A lot of these contracts violate state and federal laws.  Jailbreaking iphones and ipods are a great example of this.  In my opinion, SoE is really asking for trouble with this.  If you are going to ban people, you better log log log, to show that fair treatment is conducted.  Even if fair treatment is attainable(which is impossible), the laws change so often that one month you win this lawsuit and the next month you lose it and pay millions.

  I have had two rental agreements throw out and those are much more solid contracts than a digital eula or tos.  Most landlords do not have access to the proper lawyers and its awful easy to violate state laws.  The first one tried to charge me for 4 months rent, since I terminated 4 months early.  I gave him documentation showing that I was recalled by the Navy.  This went on my credit history.  My landlord violated the law  and I paid for it for a couple years. In the end, he paid for it far more than I.  The second was that they tried to charge me early termination for 3 months when they already had the apartment rented out 3 weeks after I moved out.  I had already paid them for one month.  My state law says, you can not charge for rent more than once.  So that got thrown out fast.

  The law is fluid.  Contracts must change as the laws change...

If I do not allow you to access the servers that I own, I am breaking no laws. A contract is agreed to by both parties when a ToS and EULA is accepted. If one party is in breach of the contained conditions, the other party is able to persue any action authorized.

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  Distopia

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9/20/13 4:49:22 PM#167
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
 

Ermm, there are people in the United States who refuse to pay taxes because they don't sheepishly agree to the things that's they're indirectly paying for. 

Now people who pay taxes are sheep? ROFL.... Most people have no choice in paying taxes, it's taken directly from their paychecks, as well as with every purchase they make. Those who work contractually can get themselves into serious trouble for trying to falsify a tax return. I know you're young and don't have a whole lot of life experience behind you yet, but you really are showing you haven't an idea of what real life is like.

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  Tierless

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Joined: 7/01/08
Posts: 2111

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9/20/13 4:56:58 PM#168

Why do I see this becoming, talk positively about our games or we will ban you from life...

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  Tygranir

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Joined: 6/24/13
Posts: 765

9/20/13 4:58:25 PM#169
Originally posted by Tierless

Why do I see this becoming, talk positively about our games or we will ban you from life...

If you spoke negatively about my home, I wouldn't let you in either.

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  g0m0rrah

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9/20/13 5:06:47 PM#170
Originally posted by Tygranir
Originally posted by g0m0rrah

 

 The law is fluid.  One day something is illegal and the next day it isnt, or vice versa.  ToS and EULA are dismissed out of hand often.  A lot of these contracts violate state and federal laws.  Jailbreaking iphones and ipods are a great example of this.  In my opinion, SoE is really asking for trouble with this.  If you are going to ban people, you better log log log, to show that fair treatment is conducted.  Even if fair treatment is attainable(which is impossible), the laws change so often that one month you win this lawsuit and the next month you lose it and pay millions.

  I have had two rental agreements throw out and those are much more solid contracts than a digital eula or tos.  Most landlords do not have access to the proper lawyers and its awful easy to violate state laws.  The first one tried to charge me for 4 months rent, since I terminated 4 months early.  I gave him documentation showing that I was recalled by the Navy.  This went on my credit history.  My landlord violated the law  and I paid for it for a couple years. In the end, he paid for it far more than I.  The second was that they tried to charge me early termination for 3 months when they already had the apartment rented out 3 weeks after I moved out.  I had already paid them for one month.  My state law says, you can not charge for rent more than once.  So that got thrown out fast.

  The law is fluid.  Contracts must change as the laws change...

If I do not allow you to access the servers that I own, I am breaking no laws. A contract is agreed to by both parties when a ToS and EULA is accepted. If one party is in breach of the contained conditions, the other party is able to persue any action authorized.

 If you accept payment and deny me the promised services, you are breaking the contract.  It all comes down to why you accepted my money and didnt hold your end of the deal.  If I didnt something that you simply didnt like, thats going to be an awful tough case for SoE to win.

 Cursing is a good example. If someone gets banned for cursing and SoE implements the ability to censor or uncensor text, then thats an almost outright acceptance of cursing.  Its software, if they did not want you to curse, they simply wouldnt give you the option to lift the censorship.  Its like AoC having nude models underneath the clothing, allowing you to remove the clothing, then banning you if you do.

 When it comes to verbal abuse, its pretty easy to take " im going to find out where you live and murder your children" as harassment. If someone says " diaf ", for one thing, you have to know the acronym, and secondly, its pretty subjective.  Is diaf a threat?  If someone says "oh thats gay", and you get banned because that is offensive to the moderator that has a gay son.  How about religious or political speech.  Oh this guy on his twitter supports the KKK, I find this offensive so I am going to ban  him.

 Banning for language inside the game or outside the game is very absurd when most game come with filters and blocking built in.  There are extremes where banning becomes necessary but the OP proposed a good question, where do you draw the line...

 

 

  OG_Zorvan

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9/20/13 5:08:10 PM#171

SOE: The New China.

Mao would approve. Also, Lil' Kim Korea is now taking notes from SOE.

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  coslie

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9/20/13 5:09:38 PM#172
A company can refuse service, sure.  But once they take your money they have some obligations.  If you misbehave on their premises, real or virtual, sure they can boot you.  If they decide they don't like you for what you've done, or what they think you've done, somewhere else, they can still refuse to serve you, but not without a refund.
  ray12k

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Posts: 475

9/20/13 5:10:00 PM#173
Originally posted by g0m0rrah
Originally posted by Tygranir
Originally posted by g0m0rrah

 

 The law is fluid.  One day something is illegal and the next day it isnt, or vice versa.  ToS and EULA are dismissed out of hand often.  A lot of these contracts violate state and federal laws.  Jailbreaking iphones and ipods are a great example of this.  In my opinion, SoE is really asking for trouble with this.  If you are going to ban people, you better log log log, to show that fair treatment is conducted.  Even if fair treatment is attainable(which is impossible), the laws change so often that one month you win this lawsuit and the next month you lose it and pay millions.

  I have had two rental agreements throw out and those are much more solid contracts than a digital eula or tos.  Most landlords do not have access to the proper lawyers and its awful easy to violate state laws.  The first one tried to charge me for 4 months rent, since I terminated 4 months early.  I gave him documentation showing that I was recalled by the Navy.  This went on my credit history.  My landlord violated the law  and I paid for it for a couple years. In the end, he paid for it far more than I.  The second was that they tried to charge me early termination for 3 months when they already had the apartment rented out 3 weeks after I moved out.  I had already paid them for one month.  My state law says, you can not charge for rent more than once.  So that got thrown out fast.

  The law is fluid.  Contracts must change as the laws change...

If I do not allow you to access the servers that I own, I am breaking no laws. A contract is agreed to by both parties when a ToS and EULA is accepted. If one party is in breach of the contained conditions, the other party is able to persue any action authorized.

 If you accept payment and deny me the promised services, you are breaking the contract.  It all comes down to why you accepted my money and didnt hold your end of the deal.  If I didnt something that you simply didnt like, thats going to be an awful tough case for SoE to win.

 Cursing is a good example. If someone gets banned for cursing and SoE implements the ability to censor or uncensor text, then thats an almost outright acceptance of cursing.  Its software, if they did not want you to curse, they simply wouldnt give you the option to lift the censorship.  Its like AoC having nude models underneath the clothing, allowing you to remove the clothing, then banning you if you do.

 When it comes to verbal abuse, its pretty easy to take " im going to find out where you live and murder your children" as harassment. If someone says " diaf ", for one thing, you have to know the acronym, and secondly, its pretty subjective.  Is diaf a threat?  If someone says "oh thats gay", and you get banned because that is offensive to the moderator that has a gay son.  How about religious or political speech.  Oh this guy on his twitter supports the KKK, I find this offensive so I am going to ban  him.

 Banning for language inside the game or outside the game is very absurd when most game come with filters and blocking built in.  There are extremes where banning becomes necessary but the OP proposed a good question, where do you draw the line...

 

 

what does diaf mean?

  Tygranir

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9/20/13 5:11:18 PM#174
Originally posted by g0m0rrah
Originally posted by Tygranir
Originally posted by g0m0rrah

 

 The law is fluid.  One day something is illegal and the next day it isnt, or vice versa.  ToS and EULA are dismissed out of hand often.  A lot of these contracts violate state and federal laws.  Jailbreaking iphones and ipods are a great example of this.  In my opinion, SoE is really asking for trouble with this.  If you are going to ban people, you better log log log, to show that fair treatment is conducted.  Even if fair treatment is attainable(which is impossible), the laws change so often that one month you win this lawsuit and the next month you lose it and pay millions.

  I have had two rental agreements throw out and those are much more solid contracts than a digital eula or tos.  Most landlords do not have access to the proper lawyers and its awful easy to violate state laws.  The first one tried to charge me for 4 months rent, since I terminated 4 months early.  I gave him documentation showing that I was recalled by the Navy.  This went on my credit history.  My landlord violated the law  and I paid for it for a couple years. In the end, he paid for it far more than I.  The second was that they tried to charge me early termination for 3 months when they already had the apartment rented out 3 weeks after I moved out.  I had already paid them for one month.  My state law says, you can not charge for rent more than once.  So that got thrown out fast.

  The law is fluid.  Contracts must change as the laws change...

If I do not allow you to access the servers that I own, I am breaking no laws. A contract is agreed to by both parties when a ToS and EULA is accepted. If one party is in breach of the contained conditions, the other party is able to persue any action authorized.

 If you accept payment and deny me the promised services, you are breaking the contract.  It all comes down to why you accepted my money and didnt hold your end of the deal.  If I didnt something that you simply didnt like, thats going to be an awful tough case for SoE to win.

 Cursing is a good example. If someone gets banned for cursing and SoE implements the ability to censor or uncensor text, then thats an almost outright acceptance of cursing.  Its software, if they did not want you to curse, they simply wouldnt give you the option to lift the censorship.  Its like AoC having nude models underneath the clothing, allowing you to remove the clothing, then banning you if you do.

 When it comes to verbal abuse, its pretty easy to take " im going to find out where you live and murder your children" as harassment. If someone says " diaf ", for one thing, you have to know the acronym, and secondly, its pretty subjective.  Is diaf a threat?  If someone says "oh thats gay", and you get banned because that is offensive to the moderator that has a gay son.  How about religious or political speech.  Oh this guy on his twitter supports the KKK, I find this offensive so I am going to ban  him.

 Banning for language inside the game or outside the game is very absurd when most game come with filters and blocking built in.  There are extremes where banning becomes necessary but the OP proposed a good question, where do you draw the line...

 

 

If you agreed to the Terms of Service saying you will not behave in a manner deemed inappropriate to SOE, then violated that agreement, they are in the right to terminate said service and nullify any payment received without refund.

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  Mtibbs1989

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9/20/13 5:13:16 PM#175
Originally posted by ray12k
Originally posted by g0m0rrah
Originally posted by Tygranir
Originally posted by g0m0rrah

 

 The law is fluid.  One day something is illegal and the next day it isnt, or vice versa.  ToS and EULA are dismissed out of hand often.  A lot of these contracts violate state and federal laws.  Jailbreaking iphones and ipods are a great example of this.  In my opinion, SoE is really asking for trouble with this.  If you are going to ban people, you better log log log, to show that fair treatment is conducted.  Even if fair treatment is attainable(which is impossible), the laws change so often that one month you win this lawsuit and the next month you lose it and pay millions.

  I have had two rental agreements throw out and those are much more solid contracts than a digital eula or tos.  Most landlords do not have access to the proper lawyers and its awful easy to violate state laws.  The first one tried to charge me for 4 months rent, since I terminated 4 months early.  I gave him documentation showing that I was recalled by the Navy.  This went on my credit history.  My landlord violated the law  and I paid for it for a couple years. In the end, he paid for it far more than I.  The second was that they tried to charge me early termination for 3 months when they already had the apartment rented out 3 weeks after I moved out.  I had already paid them for one month.  My state law says, you can not charge for rent more than once.  So that got thrown out fast.

  The law is fluid.  Contracts must change as the laws change...

If I do not allow you to access the servers that I own, I am breaking no laws. A contract is agreed to by both parties when a ToS and EULA is accepted. If one party is in breach of the contained conditions, the other party is able to persue any action authorized.

 If you accept payment and deny me the promised services, you are breaking the contract.  It all comes down to why you accepted my money and didnt hold your end of the deal.  If I didnt something that you simply didnt like, thats going to be an awful tough case for SoE to win.

 Cursing is a good example. If someone gets banned for cursing and SoE implements the ability to censor or uncensor text, then thats an almost outright acceptance of cursing.  Its software, if they did not want you to curse, they simply wouldnt give you the option to lift the censorship.  Its like AoC having nude models underneath the clothing, allowing you to remove the clothing, then banning you if you do.

 When it comes to verbal abuse, its pretty easy to take " im going to find out where you live and murder your children" as harassment. If someone says " diaf ", for one thing, you have to know the acronym, and secondly, its pretty subjective.  Is diaf a threat?  If someone says "oh thats gay", and you get banned because that is offensive to the moderator that has a gay son.  How about religious or political speech.  Oh this guy on his twitter supports the KKK, I find this offensive so I am going to ban  him.

 Banning for language inside the game or outside the game is very absurd when most game come with filters and blocking built in.  There are extremes where banning becomes necessary but the OP proposed a good question, where do you draw the line...

 

 

what does diaf mean?

 Probably : Die in a fire.


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  g0m0rrah

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Joined: 1/23/13
Posts: 214

9/20/13 5:13:37 PM#176
Originally posted by Tygranir
Originally posted by g0m0rrah
Originally posted by Tygranir
Originally posted by g0m0rrah

 

 The law is fluid.  One day something is illegal and the next day it isnt, or vice versa.  ToS and EULA are dismissed out of hand often.  A lot of these contracts violate state and federal laws.  Jailbreaking iphones and ipods are a great example of this.  In my opinion, SoE is really asking for trouble with this.  If you are going to ban people, you better log log log, to show that fair treatment is conducted.  Even if fair treatment is attainable(which is impossible), the laws change so often that one month you win this lawsuit and the next month you lose it and pay millions.

  I have had two rental agreements throw out and those are much more solid contracts than a digital eula or tos.  Most landlords do not have access to the proper lawyers and its awful easy to violate state laws.  The first one tried to charge me for 4 months rent, since I terminated 4 months early.  I gave him documentation showing that I was recalled by the Navy.  This went on my credit history.  My landlord violated the law  and I paid for it for a couple years. In the end, he paid for it far more than I.  The second was that they tried to charge me early termination for 3 months when they already had the apartment rented out 3 weeks after I moved out.  I had already paid them for one month.  My state law says, you can not charge for rent more than once.  So that got thrown out fast.

  The law is fluid.  Contracts must change as the laws change...

If I do not allow you to access the servers that I own, I am breaking no laws. A contract is agreed to by both parties when a ToS and EULA is accepted. If one party is in breach of the contained conditions, the other party is able to persue any action authorized.

 If you accept payment and deny me the promised services, you are breaking the contract.  It all comes down to why you accepted my money and didnt hold your end of the deal.  If I didnt something that you simply didnt like, thats going to be an awful tough case for SoE to win.

 Cursing is a good example. If someone gets banned for cursing and SoE implements the ability to censor or uncensor text, then thats an almost outright acceptance of cursing.  Its software, if they did not want you to curse, they simply wouldnt give you the option to lift the censorship.  Its like AoC having nude models underneath the clothing, allowing you to remove the clothing, then banning you if you do.

 When it comes to verbal abuse, its pretty easy to take " im going to find out where you live and murder your children" as harassment. If someone says " diaf ", for one thing, you have to know the acronym, and secondly, its pretty subjective.  Is diaf a threat?  If someone says "oh thats gay", and you get banned because that is offensive to the moderator that has a gay son.  How about religious or political speech.  Oh this guy on his twitter supports the KKK, I find this offensive so I am going to ban  him.

 Banning for language inside the game or outside the game is very absurd when most game come with filters and blocking built in.  There are extremes where banning becomes necessary but the OP proposed a good question, where do you draw the line...

 

 

If you agreed to the Terms of Service saying you will not behave in a manner deemed inappropriate to SOE, then violated that agreement, they are in the right to terminate said service and nullify any payment received without refund.

" Sony has been getting widely slammed across the gaming and tech press for its bizarre and self-destructive lawsuit against George Hotz (Geohot), for jailbreaking the PS3 in order to re-enable a feature that Sony had long-advertised, but then deleted off of people's existing PS3s. The entire lawsuit made little sense, and Sony's quixotic attempt to continue to pursue it just got more and more bizarre, with the company even seeking and gaining access to the IP addresses of people visiting his website or watching the YouTube video he put up. "

 Sony settled with the guy in this lawsuit and obviously they took thing way to far. 

" A German consumer rights organization is suing the company, claiming that the inability to resell downloadable games from their Steam service infringes on the rights of consumers."

Valve lost this lawsuit.  So you are wrong.  EULA and ToS are only legally binding if backed by law.  These are not small companies losing lawsuits...

 

  coslie

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9/20/13 5:14:57 PM#177
Originally posted by Lowcaian
Originally posted by jpnz
Originally posted by Lowcaian
 

I don't take those threats from some kid seriously and I think it's a generation thing. I am old, I know that the net is not real life. If I were to play amateur psychologist I'd say that to younger people the line between real life and the things you do online is blurred, to some so much that there is no line and that is why  they overreact the way they do, both as bullies and victims. They simply lack the ability to take a step back and see that It's just a box connected by wires that you can use to talk to others that you know nothing about and vice versa.

If a letter that concerns you arrived in your mail box in front of your house, would that be any different than an email in your inbox?

A telephone is also 'just a box connected by wires'.

 

And I really don't think the 'blame the victim' line helps your argument.

I really don't care about letters be they electronic or old fashioned paper unless I have a real reason to fear.

And yet your email address is set to private in your profile.

  Mtibbs1989

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Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 2588

9/20/13 5:20:14 PM#178
Originally posted by g0m0rrah
 

" Sony has been getting widely slammed across the gaming and tech press for its bizarre and self-destructive lawsuit against George Hotz (Geohot), for jailbreaking the PS3 in order to re-enable a feature that Sony had long-advertised, but then deleted off of people's existing PS3s. The entire lawsuit made little sense, and Sony's quixotic attempt to continue to pursue it just got more and more bizarre, with the company even seeking and gaining access to the IP addresses of people visiting his website or watching the YouTube video he put up. "

 Sony settled with the guy in this lawsuit and obviously they took thing way to far. 

" A German consumer rights organization is suing the company, claiming that the inability to resell downloadable games from their Steam service infringes on the rights of consumers."

Valve lost this lawsuit.  So you are wrong.  EULA and ToS are only legally binding if backed by law.  These are not small companies losing lawsuits...

 

 Good finds ;)  , I also believe EA just lost a lawsuit for the resale issue as well. TOS and EULA do not hold ground in court.


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  Hatefull

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9/20/13 5:23:16 PM#179


Originally posted by SnarlingWolf
To the guy who said Lawyers are readying up for this, no they're not.

Even companies (again at least in USA) can fire you for what you post on social networking. What people tend not to realize is freedom of speech is at a government level, as in the government can't restrict what you can say. A business has every right to restrict what you say as a customer or an employee.
 


Partially true. If you are representing the company then they can dictate to a certain extent, what you do and say. However in your 'off' time they (your employer) can not. If you are fired for expressing your private opinions it will not hold up in court should you decide to pursue the matter. Free speech applies to all American with the exception of military personnel, that take an oath and sign a contract to waive certain rights.

OK that sorted.

Back to this, wow so you guys fully support SONY removing free speech from the internet so I suppose when the government (U.S. any way) decides to start taxing your e-mails, blogs, posts etc you are good with that as well? The internet, since it's inception, has been about free speech and sharing information, now you are saying it is ok to take that away as long as YOU think said person is being disruptive. How about when they disagree with you? I suppose you are ok with being hunted down and banned...right?

This is laughable if I decide to go vent frustration somewhere else on the net, because I don't feel like being banned from said companies boards, they can track me down and ban me anyway because I decided to express my opinion elsewhere?

Ok, cool lets take ti a step further and set up the international Internet Police force. So when you are accused of being a internet 'bully' they issue you a citation, and if you offend too many times they come to your house and arrest you. Yeah right how would we pay for it? By taxing your e-mails, VOIP calls, blog posts etc etc.

No I say. Block me from your boards b/c I am being a ass cool I get that, hunt me down because I decided to express my self in an unsavory manner ELSEWHERE? no that is big brother crap and should to be allowed.

If you want a new idea, go read an old book.

  Mtibbs1989

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Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 2588

9/20/13 5:24:47 PM#180
Originally posted by Hatefull

 


Originally posted by SnarlingWolf
To the guy who said Lawyers are readying up for this, no they're not.

 

Even companies (again at least in USA) can fire you for what you post on social networking. What people tend not to realize is freedom of speech is at a government level, as in the government can't restrict what you can say. A business has every right to restrict what you say as a customer or an employee.
 

 


 

Partially true. If you are representing the company then they can dictate to a certain extent, what you do and say. However in your 'off' time they (your employer) can not. If you are fired for expressing your private opinions it will not hold up in court should you decide to pursue the matter. Free speech applies to all American with the exception of military personnel, that take an oath and sign a contract to waive certain rights.

OK that sorted.

Back to this, wow so you guys fully support SONY removing free speech from the internet so I suppose when the government (U.S. any way) decides to start taxing your e-mails, blogs, posts etc you are good with that as well? The internet, since it's inception, has been about free speech and sharing information, now you are saying it is ok to take that away as long as YOU think said person is being disruptive. How about when they disagree with you? I suppose you are ok with being hunted down and banned...right?

This is laughable if I decide to go vent frustration somewhere else on the net, because I don't feel like being banned from said companies boards, they can track me down and ban me anyway because I decided to express my opinion elsewhere?

Ok, cool lets take ti a step further and set up the international Internet Police force. So when you are accused of being a internet 'bully' they issue you a citation, and if you offend too many times they come to your house and arrest you. Yeah right how would we pay for it? By taxing your e-mails, VOIP calls, blog posts etc etc.

No I say. Block me from your boards b/c I am being a ass cool I get that, hunt me down because I decided to express my self in an unsavory manner ELSEWHERE? no that is big brother crap and should to be allowed.

+1


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