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  amber-r

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9/17/13 3:52:04 AM#41

OP if you don't like the people that post here why do you?  Are you on a holy crusade or something.

 

IGN are really a very untrustworthy review site, they need money from advertising and companies that want a good review simply push money at them before to color their opinions, they didn't even offer seperate reviews of both systems.  You are even starting to see the companies offering money to youtube reviewers these days to make promos to do the same.  Angry joe etc.

 

End of the day reviews have been proven to be untrustworthy anyway, tor and gw2 proved this.

 

You obviously like the game, many do not.  There is something to the dislike to the game because if this was a genuinly good game we would all be still playing it and wanting it to be successful to play it for a long time.  As it is we don't and it won't.

 

You're fighting a losing war, as more time passes more people will start getting bored and turn on the game.

  drivendawn

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9/17/13 7:37:23 AM#42
Like I said gloom and doomers.
  akkedis86

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9/17/13 9:54:04 AM#43
Originally posted by icculus2112
Originally posted by akkedis86
Originally posted by hikaru77
Originally posted by echolynfan
Originally posted by DMKano

IGN reviews - lulz

http://www.ign.com/games/star-wars-the-old-republic/pc-816935

9/10

 

IMO SWTOR was 7/10 for the first month, after that 6/10 

FFARR is a much better game (initially) and is a better game after a month, but suffers from lack of content and a very small world.

When I started FFARR itr felt like 8.5/10, after I hit 50 feels like 7/10

 

 

Hehe...yeah..that review may have been skewed by the reviewers nerd-love for Star Wars. What REALLY hurt SWTOR more than anything was utter lack of content added in subsequent patches and a failure to fix some glaring technical problems along with a rather boring game world...bad crafting system...etc etc.

FF ARR will go the same way if SE doesn't come through with it's planned patch in November with Housing....etc:

http://zantetsuken.net/news/final-fantasy-xivs-patch-future-2-1-2-2-and-beyond

Everyone agree about how bad EA and BW handled SWTOR after launch, till the server merge and the anouncement of content updates every 45-60 days, now the game is actually good, and probably with a few more updates, like the space pvp xpac or dlc, the game will be close to be that SWTOR mmo that everyone was waiting. My point is, MMOs need time but FF need and update pretty fast or they gonna lose an isane amount of players after the free month.

This!

 

But seriously. Let's be honest. Final Fantasy had good sales as no other high-budget MMOs have come out recently. It has a niche market, and you will see people leaving the game fairly fast.

And to be honest, FF is not a tripleA game. It has no staying power, and is largely unvoiced. I give it a 7/10 tops. It is incomplete, and lacks what other games consider vital. 

 

On the other hand, I've been playing SWTOR for more than a year now, and I cannot shake it. I will NOT sub to this low-budget FF game, and I demand quality for me to justify spending money.

While I do agree that putting things behind a paywall, even for subscribers is a bit harsh, a lot has to be said for the story, and immersiveness of SWTOR.

 

Some people might like FF: ARR, but I certainly do not.

Let me provide some facts:

1)It has slow, and dumbed-down combat at-least for the first 20-30 levels(Even worse than Rift). 

2)The quests are insignificant, click here, do this type of thing.

3)Quests are largely unvoiced, and when it is they have not even bothered with lip syncing.

4)Lack of PVP(I know FF has not had PVP historically, but this is supposed to be a big title.)

5)Generally the game feels incomplete, small and uninspiring.

 

They are riding a IP wave, and the game will die down once every bodies 1 month free pass runs out.

If this is a re-release, I cannot begin to think how awful the original was.

 

 

The irony is this is coming from someone who has played SWToR over a year.

"fact" 1 also applies to SWTOR, which also has dumbed down content.  the GCD may be faster, but that doesnt make the combat any better.

"fact" 2 also applies to SWTOR.  The class story lines are great but the individual quests are mostly mundane.  The main storyline in FFXIV is good, and the class quests are entertaining (not deep like SWTOR, but thats where the main story is)

fact 3 (which is the first to actually be a fact) can be a negative to SWtOR because many (I am not one btw) feel that the voice overs for all the mundane quests is terrible and they just spam spacebar.  Its tough to dispute that this was a giant waste of resources.  

fact 4 (again, an actual fact) is a 'who cares' for most.  And its coming anyway.

"fact" 5 (not even close to a fact) is especially laughable coming from someone playing SWTOR for a year.  SWTOR featured tiny planets and overall probably less real estate than FFXIV.  SWTOR was also in much worse shape at launch than FFXIV when it lacked things such as guild banks or UI editing options.  these are the signs of an unfinished game.  Also, its not like SWTOR had a ton of endgame content either.

 

And the only reason SWTOR still exists is its IP.

 

I dont mean to dump on SWTOR, but this is why people's opinions on this site are mostly garbage.  You are disliking a game for flaws that were even more pronounced in your game of choice.  pot/kettle/black

And you mention what you consider to be the bad points, but you dont counter it with the good points, such as the crafting system, the armory system, the cities, the fact that the zones actually hold more than 100-200 people, etc

I completely agree with you for what it is worth. 

 

I was mostly trying to make a reference.

I would like nothing more than to have a fresh great MMO, but this is not it for me.

I Value story, and FF seems to have a great story, but nothing else that would keep me.

 

I am not here to argue though.

 

  Kyleran

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9/17/13 11:58:01 AM#44

I'll agree, the review seemed pretty fair, was focused on what the game actually delivered, more focused on how what it is, and not so much on what is either coming later or on features that will never be.

Scores a bit too high to my liking, but I find all sites overrate titles compared to how I would do them.  Still, glad to see it wasn't give an 9.5/10 or something really silly like that.

But that said, I still value the opinions of others, I can handle it if someone is overly critical, or even outright lying, but then I don't see myself as the "defender" of any game out there.

(OK, maybe just a little bit for EVE)

Arrogant, Dismissive, Elitist, you speak as if these are bad things?
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  echolynfan

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OP  9/17/13 3:22:48 PM#45
Originally posted by amber-r

OP if you don't like the people that post here why do you?  Are you on a holy crusade or something.

 

IGN are really a very untrustworthy review site, they need money from advertising and companies that want a good review simply push money at them before to color their opinions, they didn't even offer seperate reviews of both systems.  You are even starting to see the companies offering money to youtube reviewers these days to make promos to do the same.  Angry joe etc.

 

End of the day reviews have been proven to be untrustworthy anyway, tor and gw2 proved this.

 

You obviously like the game, many do not.  There is something to the dislike to the game because if this was a genuinly good game we would all be still playing it and wanting it to be successful to play it for a long time.  As it is we don't and it won't.

 

You're fighting a losing war, as more time passes more people will start getting bored and turn on the game.

I've asked myself that same question :)

The handful of people on this forum that seem to hate every game that comes out and then proceed to make dire predictions about it's early demise are not going to affect any MMO if it's done well - and FF ARR is done VERY well. 

The people on this forum are mostly bitter...jaded vets who feel they've been burned over and over again by AAA MMO games and it shows with the amount of negative posts. No MMO will EVER satisfy this crowd IMO.

 

Currently playing as Pete Puma on Excalibur. FF ARR - The best MMO I've played since SWG!

  Stone_Fountain

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9/17/13 3:45:47 PM#46

The review seemed fair however!

 

The game was made for consoles. Graphics and gameplay dumbed down for console players. I have a $3000 Desktop PC sitting on my desk waiting for a great game with some good graphics and artwork. That said I'm playing AC2 right now and EQ2 sometimes~. Not AoC, Aion, AO, CO, D3, DDO, DCU, DAoC, EVE, FE, GW, Rift, STO, SWTOR, which I have bought and tried. 

 

I have never identified with the FF universe and never owned a console. I do not know why people hate on the game so much. It's either fun or it isn't for you. What should anyone else care if someone plays it and likes it or not? For me, it's not going to make the cut and though I say this without trying it, taking everything into consideration, I'd say I'm pretty good at judging what I like and don't like. (even though I've tried so many games) I guess I'm just tired of Meh~ Burned out and not willing to burn more $ on them. I'd go back to EQ or Vanguard, EQ2 or AC or AC2 before I blow more coin on these Single Player games. Rag on the older games if you wish but they have what these new games do not, my desire to keep going back and logging into them. And that is saying something. 

First PC Game: Pool of Radiance July 10th, 1990. First MMO: Everquest April 23, 1999

  Distopia

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9/17/13 4:08:00 PM#47
Originally posted by echolynfan
 

I've asked myself that same question :)

The handful of people on this forum that seem to hate every game that comes out and then proceed to make dire predictions about it's early demise are not going to affect any MMO if it's done well - and FF ARR is done VERY well. 

The people on this forum are mostly bitter...jaded vets who feel they've been burned over and over again by AAA MMO games and it shows with the amount of negative posts. No MMO will EVER satisfy this crowd IMO.

 

The weird part is your post history isn't clear of this type of activity. Why all of a sudden does this type of posting bother you, when you've done it yourself, when you didn't like something?

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

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  Bigdaddyx

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9/17/13 4:12:13 PM#48
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by echolynfan
 

I've asked myself that same question :)

The handful of people on this forum that seem to hate every game that comes out and then proceed to make dire predictions about it's early demise are not going to affect any MMO if it's done well - and FF ARR is done VERY well. 

The people on this forum are mostly bitter...jaded vets who feel they've been burned over and over again by AAA MMO games and it shows with the amount of negative posts. No MMO will EVER satisfy this crowd IMO.

 

The weird part is your post history isn't clear of this type of activity. Why all of a sudden does this type of posting bother you, when you've done it yourself, when you didn't like something?

Double standards. We human beings have a very short term memory when it comes to our own actions in past but we are very quick to point fingers at others.

  amber-r

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9/17/13 5:36:21 PM#49
Originally posted by Stone_Fountain

The review seemed fair however!

 

The game was made for consoles. Graphics and gameplay dumbed down for console players. I have a $3000 Desktop PC sitting on my desk waiting for a great game with some good graphics and artwork. That said I'm playing AC2 right now and EQ2 sometimes~. Not AoC, Aion, AO, CO, D3, DDO, DCU, DAoC, EVE, FE, GW, Rift, STO, SWTOR, which I have bought and tried. 

 

I have never identified with the FF universe and never owned a console. I do not know why people hate on the game so much. It's either fun or it isn't for you. What should anyone else care if someone plays it and likes it or not? For me, it's not going to make the cut and though I say this without trying it, taking everything into consideration, I'd say I'm pretty good at judging what I like and don't like. (even though I've tried so many games) I guess I'm just tired of Meh~ Burned out and not willing to burn more $ on them. I'd go back to EQ or Vanguard, EQ2 or AC or AC2 before I blow more coin on these Single Player games. Rag on the older games if you wish but they have what these new games do not, my desire to keep going back and logging into them. And that is saying something. 

Try Tera and Guild wars 2, those will tax your system.

  echolynfan

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OP  9/17/13 6:09:17 PM#50
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by echolynfan
 

I've asked myself that same question :)

The handful of people on this forum that seem to hate every game that comes out and then proceed to make dire predictions about it's early demise are not going to affect any MMO if it's done well - and FF ARR is done VERY well. 

The people on this forum are mostly bitter...jaded vets who feel they've been burned over and over again by AAA MMO games and it shows with the amount of negative posts. No MMO will EVER satisfy this crowd IMO.

 

The weird part is your post history isn't clear of this type of activity. Why all of a sudden does this type of posting bother you, when you've done it yourself, when you didn't like something?

I'm trying to be more positive :) Seriously...I don't go around bashing every new MMO that comes out saying it has one month to live after launch and the only MMO I was really vocally opposed to was SWTOR - which WAS bad at the time. I'm not sure what's going on with SWTOR lately...anyone know if the game runs any better....etc?

Currently playing as Pete Puma on Excalibur. FF ARR - The best MMO I've played since SWG!

  daltanious

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9/18/13 4:00:01 AM#51
Originally posted by echolynfan
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by echolynfan
 

The weird part is your post history isn't clear of this type of activity. Why all of a sudden does this type of posting bother you, when you've done it yourself, when you didn't like something?

I'm trying to be more positive :) Seriously...I don't go around bashing every new MMO that comes out saying it has one month to live after launch and the only MMO I was really vocally opposed to was SWTOR - which WAS bad at the time. I'm not sure what's going on with SWTOR lately...anyone know if the game runs any better....etc?

Swtor is along with wow most fun duo mmo ever released. "Fun" of course can mean different thing for i.e. pvp lover, pve lover, .....I could live for decades with this two only. Swtor was great at release and become just better in time. Overall quality (complex combat, fun, every keypress or mouse movement/button does just what it is supposed to), environment, ah, crafting, ...) is better of course with wow, but I simply love more swtor lore.

  Braindome

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9/18/13 4:23:58 PM#52

Instead of actually watching the video of course people would rather just bash IGN or instead of hanging out on the game forum they like they would rather come here and belittle and get attention towards their game cause it is dying.

This is a good review that points out the positives and negatives of the game and is dead on accurate great review. Haters gonna hate, just think some of you jaded gamers need to actually find a game to play rather than whining all day.

Thanks for sharing, it is a real good review.

  Drakynn

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9/18/13 4:30:37 PM#53

This may be the first time I've seen IGN lauded as a credible review source....

Having said that It isn't as biased as I thought it would be given that IGN has been a FFXIV hype machine for almost a month now.

Seems like a mostly  fair review of the first few weeks of this game.

  echolynfan

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OP  9/18/13 4:37:28 PM#54
Originally posted by Braindome

Instead of actually watching the video of course people would rather just bash IGN or instead of hanging out on the game forum they like they would rather come here and belittle and get attention towards their game cause it is dying.

This is a good review that points out the positives and negatives of the game and is dead on accurate great review. Haters gonna hate, just think some of you jaded gamers need to actually find a game to play rather than whining all day.

Thanks for sharing, it is a real good review.

Right on the money - thanks and it was m,y pleasure :)

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  VassagoMael

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9/18/13 4:39:09 PM#55
"I agree with this review so it is real."

Free to play = content updates for the cash shop. Buy to play = content updates for the cash shop.
Subscription = Actual content updates!

  Nephaerius

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9/18/13 4:42:09 PM#56
Really?  The game is a 7 at best.  Great graphics, cool class system with being able to level everything on a single character, stronger emphasis on crafting, everything else the same MMORPG standard (which is fine and functional).  None of that takes into account the horrors of the relaunch with shutting down servers and character creation or the fact that people have multiple 50's playing casually prior to first month being up.  Good game, but it's a C average at best.

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  echolynfan

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OP  9/18/13 7:13:06 PM#57
Originally posted by Nephaerius
Really?  The game is a 7 at best.  Great graphics, cool class system with being able to level everything on a single character, stronger emphasis on crafting, everything else the same MMORPG standard (which is fine and functional).  None of that takes into account the horrors of the relaunch with shutting down servers and character creation or the fact that people have multiple 50's playing casually prior to first month being up.  Good game, but it's a C average at best.

And how long did you play the game for? 

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  Ayulin

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9/18/13 10:52:20 PM#58
Originally posted by echolynfan
Originally posted by Nephaerius
Really?  The game is a 7 at best.  Great graphics, cool class system with being able to level everything on a single character, stronger emphasis on crafting, everything else the same MMORPG standard (which is fine and functional).  None of that takes into account the horrors of the relaunch with shutting down servers and character creation or the fact that people have multiple 50's playing casually prior to first month being up.  Good game, but it's a C average at best.

And how long did you play the game for? 

Oh wait... Is this a setup for the typical "catch-22" routine fans of a MMO like to pull on people who criticize it?

It usually goes like this...

You ask them how much of the game they saw.

If they say they did anything less than reach level cap on all classes/jobs, completed all dungeons on all difficulties, crafted, all missions/quests in all cities, and did every single little possible bit of content the game offers (a bar very few can ever claim to reach, including the fans)... they'll be told "well you didn't experience the whole game, so you don't know what you're talking about. So, you're just trolling".

If they say they did all that stuff, they'll either be called a liar, or will be dismissed with some remark about how "they must have liked the game if they put all that time into it, so they must just be trolling".

It's one of those false "challenges", where no matter what the person says, it's going to be "the wrong answer", not because those qualifications are realistic to expect of anyone, but because it's more important to disqualify any negative opinion, than to accept that others simply aren't going to like the game as much as others.

 

 

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