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  Xthos

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Joined: 4/18/10
Posts: 2650

9/14/13 1:19:17 PM#21
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi

I feel when games go F2p and as a free plauyer which  a lot people are, they are not given an accurate look at what the game has to offer them. I think it is extremely important to review both sides of a game that has multiple pay options. Some folks plainly put, are to poor to buy a sub right now, but love to play mmos.

With out getting into plotics or why people aren't working, just know that America is almost reaching 10% unemployment and folks are struggling. It is nice to have something to take you into a different world and have some fun.

So instead of creating my own justifications of why , I'm just going to tell you, " I just am",

 I could be missing something, and you have every right to play, review and post...It is a forum, but are you expecting the experience to be better now that it is f2p?  I know I played my free month, and even wrote if the game was free to play with no cash shop, I was done....Just didn't have a lasting design imo, so not sure what the f2pness of it would enhance, well besides it being free.

 

  BadOrb

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Joined: 1/11/13
Posts: 756

9/14/13 2:14:03 PM#22
Originally posted by orionblack
Originally posted by VassagoMael
What is the point of this thread? 

Exactly...as some one else already pointed out to OP.."Who are you??" What can you add that hasn't already been said. 

The game plays great as the console game that it should have been. But as an mmo fails miserably, as evident by it  going F2P within the first year (notice that it did not make it to the one year mark before it changed.) so that in itself should tell you something. And yes it was a failure, before the white knights come out, with an IP like Star Wars...this should have NEVER happened. EA's game design was lazy and short sighted. Not to mention the terrible game engine employed by them that is the main cause of this game's dismal performance ( one year to release a character re-skin ..aka Cathar because of the engine). But as a solo game (And I still believe wholeheartedly that if they had put this game out on consoles with multiplayer options, it would have done phenomenal ) it plays very well and is an enjoyable  experience as almost all of Bioware games are.

But as an mmo..it missed that mark quite bad. 

AND that's not to mention the continued support towards the cash shop, while alienating the subscribers to the point that having a sub is really not even worth it.Case in point ...the expansion will be free now to new subs (they get a refund) while the older players get a "title" as compensation.

I believe it would have done well as a console game too but I think your tone towards that fact seems to suggest you think consoles and their games are inferior ? if so don't talk trash thank you. Not sure why on one hand you say a great solo game but think with a multiplayer option it would be great on a console , a bit of a contradiction really don't you think. Console bashing is old and tiresome , there has been a few great MMO's on consoles , the dev's are just waking up to this fact about 12 years late. Some people would argue that the amount of skills in the game per character wouldn't fit on a  controller but i know otherwise , says my 40 skills on my 360 controller.

As to the OP I would read your review , I am interested in how far and how much fun the game is to a pure F2P , if played well you can bet that you will get to the end and have fun. It seems you are going to play for about 3 months , is that right ? If so yeah that seems to be enough time to get an objective idea of how easy , fun etc F2P SWTOR actually is.

Just be aware of some unlocks you might want to buy off the GTN to help level you quicker etc.

Cheers,

BadOrb.

PSO 4 years , EQOA 4 months , PSU 7 years , SWTOR launch ongoing , PSO2 SEA launch ongoing , Destiny 360 launch ongoing.
"SWG was not fun. Let it go buddy." quote from iiNoSkillzii 10/18/13
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  Whiskey_Sam

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Joined: 1/13/12
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9/14/13 2:38:01 PM#23
I'll alert the media.

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  Mothanos

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Joined: 10/20/10
Posts: 1855

9/14/13 2:51:50 PM#24

Dont even bother OP....
I am a big fan of the whole SW franchise.
I bought 2 copy's and 2 timecards spending around 170 euro and damn it was the worse money i ever spent.
Quited 2 weeks in and never looked back :(

Offcourse to each his own taste, but you wont find many positive mmo players in this dark dungeon ;)
EA/Bioware ruined something that could have rocked the mmo world for at least 5 years.
A missed oppertunity and left many with a bad taste in mouth.

Now its free to play and its even worse :P

  krondin

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Joined: 5/05/09
Posts: 88

9/14/13 2:55:57 PM#25

Despite all the folks who Commented Negatively to your project, I think its a good thing for you to do! Seems funny all these people say negative things about your goal to review this game, if they didn't really care, or don't like the idea,  then why did they take the time to post a reply!  

 

I would ask you to review in your journeys in SWTOR, your feelings on layout of the maps, progression thru them and content on them that respawns, like crafting materials spots and quest hubs.  I would also be interested in how you feel the game works twords providing a Social Community vs twords solo, single play.  I hope you have a Fun time in your review process.

 

I just re sub'd for a month to check it out again with all the changes since launch < i am a founder > I had left the game for over a year.  I am finding it a better game then when i left it, thou still not all i had hoped it would be, by far.... I am getting my $15 worth of entertainment and we'll see if i have enough fun to continue playing after this. 

  orionblack

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Joined: 7/25/09
Posts: 387

9/14/13 3:00:43 PM#26
Originally posted by BadOrb
Originally posted by orionblack
Originally posted by VassagoMael
What is the point of this thread? 

Exactly...as some one else already pointed out to OP.."Who are you??" What can you add that hasn't already been said. 

The game plays great as the console game that it should have been. But as an mmo fails miserably, as evident by it  going F2P within the first year (notice that it did not make it to the one year mark before it changed.) so that in itself should tell you something. And yes it was a failure, before the white knights come out, with an IP like Star Wars...this should have NEVER happened. EA's game design was lazy and short sighted. Not to mention the terrible game engine employed by them that is the main cause of this game's dismal performance ( one year to release a character re-skin ..aka Cathar because of the engine). But as a solo game (And I still believe wholeheartedly that if they had put this game out on consoles with multiplayer options, it would have done phenomenal ) it plays very well and is an enjoyable  experience as almost all of Bioware games are.

But as an mmo..it missed that mark quite bad. 

AND that's not to mention the continued support towards the cash shop, while alienating the subscribers to the point that having a sub is really not even worth it.Case in point ...the expansion will be free now to new subs (they get a refund) while the older players get a "title" as compensation.

I believe it would have done well as a console game too but I think your tone towards that fact seems to suggest you think consoles and their games are inferior ? if so don't talk trash thank you. Not sure why on one hand you say a great solo game but think with a multiplayer option it would be great on a console , a bit of a contradiction really don't you think. Console bashing is old and tiresome , there has been a few great MMO's on consoles , the dev's are just waking up to this fact about 12 years late. Some people would argue that the amount of skills in the game per character wouldn't fit on a  controller but i know otherwise , says my 40 skills on my 360 controller.

As to the OP I would read your review , I am interested in how far and how much fun the game is to a pure F2P , if played well you can bet that you will get to the end and have fun. It seems you are going to play for about 3 months , is that right ? If so yeah that seems to be enough time to get an objective idea of how easy , fun etc F2P SWTOR actually is.

Just be aware of some unlocks you might want to buy off the GTN to help level you quicker etc.

Cheers,

BadOrb.

Wasn't console bashing in the bit (preordered my ps4 btw..) and didn't mean for it to come out like that. Point is this game to me seems to far removed from the mmo game style, but more in line with a console style game, that being said..you have to agree it is the best single player mmo out there. I have more than a couple of +50 toons on the game and at no time did I really need help to achieve the grind to 50..and beyond. And while yes you can raid, it most definitely is not required to handle the higher level content except for the raids of course (I.E : gear). So ...yeah I was not in the bit bashing consoles..I love em myself. 

As to why SWtOR would have done well on a console system...long story short (deleted a bunch out ^^ ) it would not have taken as much heat if it released as KotOR 3, then just add multiplayer function and there ya . ^^ 

P.S.   Only console mmo's I can think of are FFXI and DCUO.....and I guess Defiance , if that really is an mmo. But let me know because I would like to check them out.

  BadOrb

Hard Core Member

Joined: 1/11/13
Posts: 756

9/14/13 3:32:30 PM#27
Originally posted by orionblack
Originally posted by BadOrb
Originally posted by orionblack
Originally posted by VassagoMael
What is the point of this thread? 

Exactly...as some one else already pointed out to OP.."Who are you??" What can you add that hasn't already been said. 

The game plays great as the console game that it should have been. But as an mmo fails miserably, as evident by it  going F2P within the first year (notice that it did not make it to the one year mark before it changed.) so that in itself should tell you something. And yes it was a failure, before the white knights come out, with an IP like Star Wars...this should have NEVER happened. EA's game design was lazy and short sighted. Not to mention the terrible game engine employed by them that is the main cause of this game's dismal performance ( one year to release a character re-skin ..aka Cathar because of the engine). But as a solo game (And I still believe wholeheartedly that if they had put this game out on consoles with multiplayer options, it would have done phenomenal ) it plays very well and is an enjoyable  experience as almost all of Bioware games are.

But as an mmo..it missed that mark quite bad. 

AND that's not to mention the continued support towards the cash shop, while alienating the subscribers to the point that having a sub is really not even worth it.Case in point ...the expansion will be free now to new subs (they get a refund) while the older players get a "title" as compensation.

I believe it would have done well as a console game too but I think your tone towards that fact seems to suggest you think consoles and their games are inferior ? if so don't talk trash thank you. Not sure why on one hand you say a great solo game but think with a multiplayer option it would be great on a console , a bit of a contradiction really don't you think. Console bashing is old and tiresome , there has been a few great MMO's on consoles , the dev's are just waking up to this fact about 12 years late. Some people would argue that the amount of skills in the game per character wouldn't fit on a  controller but i know otherwise , says my 40 skills on my 360 controller.

As to the OP I would read your review , I am interested in how far and how much fun the game is to a pure F2P , if played well you can bet that you will get to the end and have fun. It seems you are going to play for about 3 months , is that right ? If so yeah that seems to be enough time to get an objective idea of how easy , fun etc F2P SWTOR actually is.

Just be aware of some unlocks you might want to buy off the GTN to help level you quicker etc.

Cheers,

BadOrb.

Wasn't console bashing in the bit (preordered my ps4 btw..) and didn't mean for it to come out like that. Point is this game to me seems to far removed from the mmo game style, but more in line with a console style game, that being said..you have to agree it is the best single player mmo out there. I have more than a couple of +50 toons on the game and at no time did I really need help to achieve the grind to 50..and beyond. And while yes you can raid, it most definitely is not required to handle the higher level content except for the raids of course (I.E : gear). So ...yeah I was not in the bit bashing consoles..I love em myself. 

As to why SWtOR would have done well on a console system...long story short (deleted a bunch out ^^ ) it would not have taken as much heat if it released as KotOR 3, then just add multiplayer function and there ya . ^^ 

P.S.   Only console mmo's I can think of are FFXI and DCUO.....and I guess Defiance , if that really is an mmo. But let me know because I would like to check them out.

O right ok , very hard to read people's writings on the interweb , sorry bout that. Well I was forced to play solo as my levelling partner hardly played with me back in the day , well they did but not as often as I wanted. So I have some solo characters and some grouped up and I agree the solo play is actually pretty good really , I don't normally like soloing an MMO , but I guess because of the story and cinematic's and VO , it made the experience very entertaining.

I get what you mean now kotor 3 with multiplayer , still I would imagine it would have been more than one kotor edition though , with all the different class stories.

O my sig mentions 2 of them both sadly closed down now though , they where Phantasy Star Online and Phantasy Star Universe. We are still waiting on PSO2 but it will be on PC and possibly Vita , eventually.

Cheers,

BadOrb.

PSO 4 years , EQOA 4 months , PSU 7 years , SWTOR launch ongoing , PSO2 SEA launch ongoing , Destiny 360 launch ongoing.
"SWG was not fun. Let it go buddy." quote from iiNoSkillzii 10/18/13
The original propoganda pixie dust villain :[]

  keithian

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Joined: 5/20/06
Posts: 2978

9/14/13 4:21:29 PM#28
THis is a very odd thread and should be locked as it holds no value as far as being able to discuss anything, but as far as some of the posts here, its a great game to some, its a horrible game to others, many more are in the middle for one reason or another, what difference does it make. If you like it, play it. IMO the game is just fine when treated as a single player story game with the occassional need to group with others for some of the better story modes. Did the game do as well as I had hope and what Bioware thought? Not at all, but the games seems to have a healthy enough population and is staying afloat so who gives a shit lol.

There Is Always Hope!

  ignore_me

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9/14/13 6:19:04 PM#29
oh man the excitement!!

Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011

  Dren_Utogi

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Joined: 8/21/10
Posts: 1468

 
OP  9/14/13 6:42:30 PM#30
Originally posted by Xthos
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi

I feel when games go F2p and as a free plauyer which  a lot people are, they are not given an accurate look at what the game has to offer them. I think it is extremely important to review both sides of a game that has multiple pay options. Some folks plainly put, are to poor to buy a sub right now, but love to play mmos.

With out getting into plotics or why people aren't working, just know that America is almost reaching 10% unemployment and folks are struggling. It is nice to have something to take you into a different world and have some fun.

So instead of creating my own justifications of why , I'm just going to tell you, " I just am",

 I could be missing something, and you have every right to play, review and post...It is a forum, but are you expecting the experience to be better now that it is f2p?  I know I played my free month, and even wrote if the game was free to play with no cash shop, I was done....Just didn't have a lasting design imo, so not sure what the f2pness of it would enhance, well besides it being free.

 

f2p will have limitation, that is the focus of the review, how these linmitations impact the game as a f2p player ? If that makes sense...as far as expectations, I have none really becuase that would be subjective.

reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  Fdzzaigl

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Joined: 8/22/09
Posts: 2097

9/14/13 6:48:52 PM#31

Having played a Trooper for a year (at release) myself, I'd advice you to play something else. The Trooper story is without a doubt one of the weaker ones out there.

However, I guess it's fair enough to play a weak link in a review.

Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!

  madazz

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Joined: 10/07/03
Posts: 1312

9/14/13 7:01:07 PM#32
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by sudo
Originally posted by madazz
Not to be rude or anything, but why should I care that you are doing a review? Are you someone special? The game has been reviewed many times. Why should anyone care that you in particular are reviewing it? And also, if its so far off, why the announcement? Again, are you someone special and we should all get excited because you MIGHT be reviewing the game in a year or so?

Care to answer to this, OP?

As opposed to whom? Who do you two authorize to write a review?

Its not about authorizing it, its about why the hell is he announcing it? He's making it out to be some sort of big deal that he will be gracing us with his review. I just want to know why his is any more important than anyone elses....

  Karteli

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Posts: 2704

9/14/13 7:47:59 PM#33
Originally posted by madazz
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by sudo
Originally posted by madazz
Not to be rude or anything, but why should I care that you are doing a review? Are you someone special? The game has been reviewed many times. Why should anyone care that you in particular are reviewing it? And also, if its so far off, why the announcement? Again, are you someone special and we should all get excited because you MIGHT be reviewing the game in a year or so?

Care to answer to this, OP?

As opposed to whom? Who do you two authorize to write a review?

Its not about authorizing it, its about why the hell is he announcing it? He's making it out to be some sort of big deal that he will be gracing us with his review. I just want to know why his is any more important than anyone elses....

It's nice that more people are getting involved with sharing their opinions though.  Whether or not the OP is the type of person to carry out what they start is another story.

 

Having never heard a peep on the proposed review, it can't be commented on.  If it ever does get completed, hopefully it will include pro's and con's.

 

Originally posted by keithian
THis is a very odd thread and should be locked as it holds no value as far as being able to discuss anything, but as far as some of the posts here, its a great game to some, its a horrible game to others, many more are in the middle for one reason or another, what difference does it make. If you like it, play it. IMO the game is just fine when treated as a single player story game with the occassional need to group with others for some of the better story modes. Did the game do as well as I had hope and what Bioware thought? Not at all, but the games seems to have a healthy enough population and is staying afloat so who gives a shit lol.

 

That part is really subjective.  What you said was mostly neutral, until that part.

 

SWTOR "seems" to be staying afloat though.  SWTOR had a huge budget followed by lackluster followings .. the budget in the $200 - $300 million range initially at time of launch (counting advertising / shilling).  More expenditures would ensue post launch, bringing the to-date costs much higher.

 

Then there is the whole thing with EA buying BioWare in 2007 for $860 million (http://www.gamespot.com/news/ea-buying-bioware-pandemic-for-860m-6180818).  I believe EA had big plans for BioWare at the time (and are since trying to release games under the BioWare name currently), but EA has really tarnished the BioWare logo with SWTOR (outside of some loyalists who remain).

 

So spending over a billion dollars on SWTOR, then others saying SWTOR is staying afloat is a bit of a stretch.  The servers are still up though, if that's what you mean (14% of them anyways).  I mean, shit, EA needs to continually lump SWTOR with 2 of their best games in their financial report, then declare a gain amongst all 3 games combined.  Smell fishy yet?

 

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  Aldous.Huxley

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Joined: 5/04/13
Posts: 443

9/14/13 8:01:45 PM#34

Here's my review:

 

Game is too linear & claustrophobic.

The quests make little sense when put in the context of the main story.

Too much voice acting (overkill).

Limited classes.

PvP is an afterthought.

F2P model sucks.

 

There, now I'm a superstar game reviewer too.

  Frostvein

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Joined: 7/11/13
Posts: 160

9/14/13 8:03:48 PM#35

Let me take care of it for you -

 

"SWTOR isn't a very good game. Despite having several redeeming qualities, the bad far outweighs the good. Their F2P model is one of the worst on the market. The entire game leaves you wondering, 'what could have been' and does little to no justice to its amazing IP."

 

 

There.

  Slappy1

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Joined: 12/27/12
Posts: 464

9/14/13 8:14:27 PM#36
This is like giving a review for the movie Braveheart,years after it came out.Why???

Some day I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull!

Arya Stark

  DamonVile

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Joined: 11/22/05
Posts: 4879

9/14/13 8:15:19 PM#37

All your review needs to include is

It's not a sandbox

It has no OW FFA PvP

So ppl on this site will say it sucks, end of story.

  jerlot65

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Joined: 7/05/08
Posts: 802

9/14/13 8:32:18 PM#38
The game is actually worth a try.  I mean it isnt the best as far as "MMO" features are concerned.  But the single player story line is quite good.  And costs next to nothing to complete the best part of the game.  I still visit it for a month or two, here and there just to do the class story lines.

  Drakephire

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Joined: 4/02/13
Posts: 369

9/14/13 8:38:35 PM#39
OP I actually will be very interested to read your review if you're truly going to play it f2p.  I'd like to see how you navigate post-25 level content as the xp penalty for f2p eventually put you way behind the leveling curve for the content.
  Cikk

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Joined: 9/14/13
Posts: 4

9/14/13 9:06:57 PM#40
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi

I will be reviewing the Game ...soon

 

As the OP's title says. . .I'd be interested in your 'opinion', since most mmo enthusiasts / consumers have lambasted this title since its' launch, garnering it with a 5.7 out of a possible 10 score. http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/star-wars-the-old-republic

 

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