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  Olgark

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9/14/13 5:16:04 AM#21
Originally posted by Satyros
Originally posted by Destai
Any chance at immersion is ruined by the faction lock. They have such a great game otherwise.

Faction lock this and faction lock that.. Have you all ever sit back and thought that, maybe, having that rivalry and sense of belonging spicing up and giving meaning to what you do in the game while bringing people together is what's missing from otherwise quality modern mmo?

I remember a hundred people in a raid screaming "For the horde" and playing one game fanaticly for many years. I don't actually see anyone tattooing neither "Proud  Elin" nor "HerpDerp realm for the win!" (gw2) on their faces.

And for that matter, NO, player made guilds-alliances are not the same. No artwork, no lore, no music, no quests to back it up, softcore gamers denied the fun.. The list goes on and on. 

And the worst.. Sub+ box + cash shop. And you keep on crying over your faction locks.

As a player of DAoC I welcome the faction locks as I loved the RvR battles and sieges we had.

 

As for the cash shop in TESO there will be no cash shop Paul Sage confirmed this in a interview a earlier this week. There will be basic account services bought like name changes, but no in game cash shop.

  sudo

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9/14/13 5:41:37 AM#22
Originally posted by Vivasvan
Immersion is when your running and a wolf in the trees is attacking a deer and when he sees you he runs,

Immersion is when your travelling through the woods the sky turns dark and you hear a faint distant thunder and it then slightly starts to rain,

Immersion is when you need to cross an island you wait for the boat to arrive and while u wait you can drink ale, and so some fishing..as it arrives you wait for people to get off and then get on your self and enjoy the journey as it ventures to the new land,

These things are immersive. I only ever experienced these things in EQ1 a long time ago. And it was the most immersive world ever.

Exactly.

Think I'll stick to single player games until one like this arrives...

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  Siug

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9/14/13 5:45:36 AM#23

After I saw what EQN will be like with Lion Kings parkouring around I think that ESO will be the only new playable MMO in coming year or two. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that the devs can think more out of Daoc box, and some changes like 1st person view and talking more about ES are encouraging. Also, I really like minimalist UI instead of 5-6 hotbars to manage.

Also, one of the biggest plus for me personally is sub and no CS. Just hope it will stay that way.

  daltanious

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Joined: 4/19/08
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9/14/13 7:29:58 AM#24
Originally posted by Naddab
I am really excited to play this game. The one thing I hope they can replicate is having PS4 players and PC players on the same server like FF14. This is a game I could really enjoy sitting on my couch playing through story or just exploring. Then grab my computer and get on vent with my friends to do raids, dungeons, and pvp.

I just hope they will not create interface for console and then somehow tried to match it for kebyoard and mouse as FF did.

  daltanious

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9/14/13 7:41:12 AM#25
Khm, any1 calls "immersion" that hand at bottom of screen sending bolts all around? Meh. Just hope TESO have decent 3rd person view WHICH gives feeling of immersion being able to see all around my avatar. 1st rule for me to consider at all to try any game is 3rd person view. 2nd: to be able to use mouse to move. All the rest is discutable.
  lindhsky

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Joined: 7/13/07
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9/14/13 8:16:08 AM#26
Originally posted by Vivasvan
Immersion is when your running and a wolf in the trees is attacking a deer and when he sees you he runs,

Immersion is when your travelling through the woods the sky turns dark and you hear a faint distant thunder and it then slightly starts to rain,

Immersion is when you need to cross an island you wait for the boat to arrive and while u wait you can drink ale, and so some fishing..as it arrives you wait for people to get off and then get on your self and enjoy the journey as it ventures to the new land,

These things are immersive. I only ever experienced these things in EQ1 a long time ago. And it was the most immersive world ever.

I agree! The players in todays games, or let me re-phrase that, the developers believes that ALL GAMERS want everything served on a plate. Teleports, easy mobs, easy leveling, marks on maps to find exactly where questmobs are, instanced pvp so it's always 10vs10, 20vs20 and so on, action the moment you step into the game, everyone should be able to get the exact same loot, general zonechat, everything is soloable, easy crafting so all can pick up the skills etc etc that destroys the feeling for me.

Sure it's nice at times to know that when you join a scenario/battleground that you wont get zerged. But then again, how fun is it when you enter versus a full premade? Or when you are in a premade facing 20 "n00bs"?

Sure its nice to teleport from south to north in 5 seconds. But this is also a thing that takes away the immersion for me. Yeah, I know magic is magic, but I would much rather take the horse and if I want to take a quicker path it might be a dangerous one.

 In Dark Age of Camelot and also in LOTRO I got quite a good feeling from time to time. DAOC had teleports as well when the first expansion arrived but before that you went from place to place on horseback. The PVP was fun because it was not instanced. You could have a day when you faced 200 people and needed to sneak around and face smaller groups to have fun but I liked that. You didn't know what you got when you entered the pvp-zone and some days you didn't get much action at all. I don't know why but I liked that and I missed that.

In LOTRO I think I got my good feelings from the world itself. I actually took time to sit down on Weathertop with my pipe and just enjoyed the view just because it felt "roleplayish".

But I must be honest as well. When I play and the games have all fast teleports, fast leveling, instanced PVP i use it as crazy because I don't want to fall behind. It's just that I know I wouldn't complain if everything wasn't served on a plate in a new game.

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  superconducting

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9/14/13 8:48:30 PM#27
Good article, thanks Bill!

  Amjoco

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9/14/13 8:56:54 PM#28
Originally posted by DAS1337

Until a game has realistic world housing, I can't be immersed.  Where is everyone living?  Are we all wandering warriors who vanish when we log off?  Do we all stay at inns?  If that is the case, let us rent instanced rooms from the inns, and have them act as banks.

 

Something.  Anything..

And we should require toilet paper as well! Some things just aren't necessary and they clutter games. I agree with housing but it's not a game changer for me. We still need to use the old brain now and again and kick in our imagination.

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  User Deleted
9/15/13 6:56:10 AM#29
Immersion is when you forget playing a game, instead start *living* in the game world. Immersion is everything to me, all the rest is just fluff.
  Regnor

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9/15/13 10:58:07 AM#30
Um, no. Console players as a whole are a younger demographic and that's fine, but they are not a natural fit with the generally older, more technology-savvy demographic that plays PC games. Maturity isn't a direct function of age, but age is the single biggest contributor to it and while it is definitely true that you will find immature players in both camps, it is also undeniably true that your chances of avoiding them are higher in the PC world than in the console world. That's not a dig on console players as a whole, it's just an experiential observation.

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  wgc01

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Joined: 11/05/08
Posts: 201

9/15/13 11:08:35 AM#31
Looking forward to giving this game a play, so glad some of the new mmo's coming out are breaking the wow clone mold, about time.. I think this game will offer a lot,  I have followed this game for awhile,  but time will tell  :)
  Theocritus

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9/15/13 12:36:57 PM#32
THe immersion factor was always very good in the single player ES games......I'd expect this one to do well with it also....And yes immersion is very important, especially if you want to keep players long term.
  Grintch

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Joined: 6/17/04
Posts: 39

9/15/13 12:39:24 PM#33
I love the graphics, But it's hard to become Immersed in the game when there's no color and everything is shades of gray and brown.
  Destai

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Joined: 8/31/09
Posts: 513

9/15/13 1:55:06 PM#34
Originally posted by Satyros
Originally posted by Destai
Any chance at immersion is ruined by the faction lock. They have such a great game otherwise.

Faction lock this and faction lock that.. Have you all ever sit back and thought that, maybe, having that rivalry and sense of belonging spicing up and giving meaning to what you do in the game while bringing people together is what's missing from otherwise quality modern mmo?

I remember a hundred people in a raid screaming "For the horde" and playing one game fanaticly for many years. I don't actually see anyone tattooing neither "Proud  Elin" nor "HerpDerp realm for the win!" (gw2) on their faces.

And for that matter, NO, player made guilds-alliances are not the same. No artwork, no lore, no music, no quests to back it up, softcore gamers denied the fun.. The list goes on and on. 

And the worst.. Sub+ box + cash shop. And you keep on crying over your faction locks.

Faction rivalry is fine - when it doesn't limit where I can freaking walk. I'd like to at least see the enemy factions in their zones, rather than be subject to the pervasive phasing they're implementing. It makes no sense to have this feature and quite frankly it flies in the face of what the series is about. If this game wasn't an Elder Scrolls game, I wouldn't care about the faction lock. Unfortunately they're trying to put Elder Scrolls into a DAOC sized hole. 

And you speak of it giving meaning - can I walk into their cities and fight those players? Can we go there and fight their guards and NPCs like we could Everquest? No. It's a meaningless feature that only limits an otherwise immersive game. 

The fact I have to complete my faction's zone before moving on is ridiculous. The fact that I can't see enemy players in those zones is unacceptable and destroys any chance at meaning the faction would lock would otherwise give.

 

 

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  IridescentOrk

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9/15/13 2:11:47 PM#35

I don't know how to be immersed when most players around you will be either Dragon something or Night blade whatever. I prefer an adventurer or a la Skyrim, select race and that's it.

 

 

 

 

gameplay > graphics

  Arglebargle

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9/16/13 12:04:03 AM#36

Vivasvan, I think you are confusing your preferences with some sort of rules set in stone.

 

And it is very, very Elder Scrolls-like to have a home that you decorate.  Often with the skulls of your foes, or other such  similar mementos....

If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

  JasonJ

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9/16/13 2:22:06 PM#37

Every MMO while in Beta states their game is immersive sooo much more than those "other" MMOs.

Too bad one of the many complaints in this games beta is the lack of it.

  Furiant

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10/06/13 9:31:22 AM#38

BethSoft is no longer a company whose products I associate with "immersion". They seemed to have lost the essence of the idea in their goal of creating the perfect RPG factory.

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