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  SBFord

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OP  9/12/13 6:19:06 PM#1

Now that Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn has "matured" to nearly three weeks since release, we have more thoughts to offer about the game play and more on our way to our final review. See what this week's installment of our Review in Progress has to say before heading to the comments to add your thoughts.

The armory system ties hand in hand with the class and job system in A Realm Reborn. In any MMO inventory management can become a burden especially for a class that can fill multiple roles. Now imagine the frustration for players trying to carry around gear sets for their disciple of land, disciple of hand, disciple of magic, and disciple of war gear and then toss in a set for fishing to boot. All told that can turn into a mountain of gear that very few people, if anyone, could realistically manage. That is where the armory system comes in. 

Read more of Rob Lashley's Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Review in Progress #3.

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  MornGag

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Joined: 8/09/04
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9/13/13 8:17:24 AM#2

God Jesus, now we have groups of four, whats the problem? With 5 players the monsters have to be harder and that means that every one, and expecially the tank's output damage in % will be lesser and lesser - and as a repsonse - insignificant!

So get your a** up and play tanks, too as you will be able to inflict good damage as well now!

Btw. the Japanese are smarter than you! :P

  Husvik

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Joined: 6/21/05
Posts: 444

Having fun who cares.

9/13/13 8:26:35 AM#3
Nice "review" in progress!
  Vivasvan

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Joined: 2/16/07
Posts: 422

9/13/13 8:39:16 AM#4
And you still can't download this game to play it....waste.
  Kaneth

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Joined: 8/19/07
Posts: 1646

9/13/13 8:45:15 AM#5
The problem with grouping isn't the amount of tanking or even healing classes (of which there is 1 for the first 30 levels and then there are 2 healing jobs), it's that tanking and healing are thankless/first to get crapped all over roles. They could add two more tanks and two more healers and DPS would still have a long queue for the duty finder. Those who like to tank and heal do so because they enjoy the role, but most seem to be "big numbers" junkies.
  Tsumoro

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Joined: 6/30/12
Posts: 333

9/13/13 8:46:20 AM#6

People do not like the responsibility of playing a tank or healer. Specifically because the hostility that has been adopted by MMO players. I play a tank, rolling in as a Paladin currently tanking is fairly easy. 

However the DPS mentality has carried over from over MMO's to this one. A lot of MMO solo players like DPS because they can divorce themselves from the other people in the game and get on and do their own stuff. As such I have many DPS join my group that FAIL to speak. I speak to these people, tell them what I would like them to do to ensure a nice swift and safe run but they do not read, they do not react. Only when we wipe do they react to which is toxic at the best of times. 

Of course I remind them that I had spoke earlier informing what they needed to do, but of course, it isn't a DPS issue it's a 'Tank' or 'Healer' issue. I have literally had people say to me "You're the tank, it's your job to hold aggro, I just do the damage". It is almost like these DPS see me as an NPC there solely to gratify and progress their experience. 

It's a frustrating process to be fair that the biggest difficulty I have with group content as a tank are other players. 

Anyhow, to do with your party size issue. I actually think you're wrong on this in part. You see, Final Fantasy 14 has been the first MMO in a long time that encourages group play. Yes, the duty finder has a long wait for DPS (sometimes 40 mins for those guys). But, it's their fault in honest. 

You see, the game has been designed to encourage people to interact with one another, sure the duty finder is there for those who want to go lone wolf. But the rewards of progression come to those who interact with the world and the other players. 

When I play on my DPS job, I am not going to wait for 40 mins in a dungeon queue. I join the Duty finder and then I ask the company if anyone wishes to come. I also stand outside the dungeon and ask around because typically those coming to the dungeon are those who have just unlocked that part of their story and need to progress. 

So, if I want to do Thousand Maws, I go to Quarry Mill I head up to the dungeon, I ask for for a group. Typically I always get someone join and if that person is a tank or healer you'll be surprised how quickly you move through that queue. 

So, to say that it's a missed mark to not have a 5 man group because DPS out weigh tanks/healers is a cop out answer. It's a lazy answer in fact. The game is groomed to encourage interaction, you'll get the best out of it for that interaction. If you don't LIKE interacting with other players, then I beg the question as to why you're playing an MMO in the first instance. 

 

  Chubakabrah

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Joined: 3/02/05
Posts: 7

9/13/13 8:47:09 AM#7
Well Mahavishnu, you must be in the 50% dps catagory then lol. I play a Paly and Whm and its tough, but a blast. No way i can watch tv and play.
  LizardEgypt

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Joined: 2/25/09
Posts: 359

Hmm ?

9/13/13 9:05:26 AM#8
Originally posted by Mahavishnu
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Maybe it's just JRPG nostalgia but I've loved every moment of questing so far in this game. Even the mundane generic ones. I am thoroughly enjoying the leveling experience and feel inclined to log in every day to play more. I don't think you can speak for all of us any more than this reviewer than accomidate your tastes into his review.

Also; as for too easy - every MMO of the past 10 years has been incredibly easy. This game ramps up quite well, around the 30s the difficulty is very noticable and present and from what I've heard it only gets more demanding. That's a positive in every regard, easing players into content that challenges them. 

Crafting can also build pre-raid quality gear.. so... ok.

 

 

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  SkylightFortress

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Joined: 8/11/13
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9/13/13 9:18:44 AM#9
Nice read, I don't know how I feel about the party size. So far its not been too much of a deal, 4 players dose add to the difficulty of the dungeons though. If any one person fails to do their job(dps included) the whole party can wipe just like that.  Still I wonder why my que's as a Whitemage are so long(sometimes 30-40 minuets).  Oh and the armory system is so nice, almost as good as GW2's inventory management. Overall really enjoying the game. 
  Tibbz

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Posts: 619

"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a group"

9/13/13 9:37:20 AM#10
Originally posted by LizardEgypt
Originally posted by Mahavishnu
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Maybe it's just JRPG nostalgia but I've loved every moment of questing so far in this game. Even the mundane generic ones. I am thoroughly enjoying the leveling experience and feel inclined to log in every day to play more. I don't think you can speak for all of us any more than this reviewer than accomidate your tastes into his review.

Also; as for too easy - every MMO of the past 10 years has been incredibly easy. This game ramps up quite well, around the 30s the difficulty is very noticable and present and from what I've heard it only gets more demanding. That's a positive in every regard, easing players into content that challenges them. 

Crafting can also build pre-raid quality gear.. so... ok.

 

 

Good to know it is "kicked up a notch" at 30.  Trying to get there on my archer to get the bard job.... so far the quests are a bit mind numbingly generic and solo or grouped we seem to be able to plow through everything with minimal difficulty.  Still going to give it a month and see how it goes... but i will say this>>>>If they DO NOT make it easy to black list/report gold sellers i will not subscribe to this game.  

  Charity

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Posts: 5

9/13/13 9:45:21 AM#11
Even queued as DPS, I don't think I've waited longer than 30 minutes for a main quest dungeon.  I'm not a fan of forced grouping not because I don't enjoy grouping itself, but because of previous bad experiences with the randomly assigned groups.  I don't know if it's a fluke, but I was very happily surprised by how the instances went.  People were at least polite and sometimes friendly.  There wasn't a lot of chatter, but everyone did their job and did it well or responded to feedback about what to do different.
  Naddab

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Joined: 8/01/04
Posts: 5

9/13/13 9:46:25 AM#12

So being a tank in this game has been really fun and challenging. I also like being able to sync my level with my friends leveling dps so they can instant queue for dungeons with me.

 

The one down side is that dungeons don't provide a great deal of exp. You can farm fates for quicker exp as a full party. I hope they increase the exp for dungeons soon, because i think it will get more tanks/healers playing that route.

  Shadanwolf

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9/13/13 9:48:00 AM#13
I'm waiting for information on the addition of FRONTLINE.
  mbd1968

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Joined: 2/21/07
Posts: 1970

9/13/13 10:40:38 AM#14
Originally posted by Shadanwolf
I'm waiting for information on the addition of FRONTLINE.

Anti-flea treatment, is that for the pet class?

  Aori

Hard Core Member

Joined: 1/28/06
Posts: 1805

9/13/13 11:00:44 AM#15

People who say dungeons are easy.. which one are they?

Tank: CC the triangle

DPS1: tank them all

DPS2: ya we don't need CC

Healer: **** my life

Tank: Don't stand in front

DPS1: Then turn it around

DPS2: Raise!

Healer: **** my life

Seriously this is very common..

 

  Vivasvan

Advanced Member

Joined: 2/16/07
Posts: 422

9/13/13 11:11:44 AM#16
If you all keep moaning about the trinity that is why games are taking it away.

Don't tank or heal if your not gonna learn how to play. And dps learn to control your dps when it's needed and when it's not.

Noobs
  rabidkiwi

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Joined: 12/18/07
Posts: 45

9/13/13 11:50:08 AM#17

To the tanks above

 

I must say that youre right.. after being a DPS and having a truely horrible healer in the first dungeon, i went and reclassed as a Conjurer (i had healed in past MMOs) and found it to be fun and sometimes challenging.  havent had a bad word spoken to me but the tanks get it worse than any MMO i have been in.  Even if its known this is their first run its a constant barrage of harassment.

Personally .. i would leave the groups if i was ragged on this much.. half the time they are doing a decent job too .. and the dps are grabbing aggro off one then doing the "hair on fire" run around the room with the tank trying to catch up to get aggro back.  Hopefully at later levels people are a little more understanding.

 
  Setzer

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Posts: 134

9/13/13 12:24:41 PM#18
Originally posted by Diavor

God Jesus, now we have groups of four, whats the problem? With 5 players the monsters have to be harder and that means that every one, and expecially the tank's output damage in % will be lesser and lesser - and as a repsonse - insignificant!

So get your a** up and play tanks, too as you will be able to inflict good damage as well now!

Btw. the Japanese are smarter than you! :P

^This

  Setzer

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Posts: 134

9/13/13 12:28:19 PM#19
Originally posted by Mahavishnu
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You pretty much just described WoW and GW2.

I've been playing for 3 weeks now and I don't find the quests boring nor do I find crafting useless, in fact, the crafting system is far better than most MMO's.

  keithian

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9/13/13 12:40:16 PM#20

The problem I have with the some of the articles on this site and some of the forum posters is that everyone focuses on quantity of features instead of the whole. Most gamers fall into two camps, PVE or PVP with a portion of gamers who love both. From everything I've been reading outside of this site and from my experience up to level 8 or so, most quests feel like bland fetch quests, kill x, kill y. There are no voiceovers and the mouths don't even sync with anything. It feels like a step backwards in a much more prettier skin. I'm not referring to Fates which allow people to level way too fast or dungeons. I'm talking about the core PVE questing system. To me if that is boring, the game is not a step forward and doesn't deserve the happy happy joy joy these writers are giving it. 

Regardless, since I didn't really level very far and I'm still on the fence with this game, I may wait it out just a bit to see if they patch things up some (like reducing XP for fates, etc) and then see if the PVE questing systems has more interesting quests later on....but this site should score HEAVILY on the quality of the PVE questing and not make it feel like some sort of ancillary side feature.

 
 

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