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General Discussion  » Has what we've seen so far lived up to Ten Ton Hammer and Massively pre-reveal hype?

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  Betaguy

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9/12/13 11:08:00 AM#41
Originally posted by Bidwood
Discuss.

 Massive let down. I was waiting for this game changer, think they even said world changing. I lol'd when they revealed a bunch of theorys/ideas and nothing concrete.  I also know SoE well enough to say they will fall short on some of the things they are stating they will add and release feature light. They have done this in every MMO they ever created to date, I expect this to be no different.

  Distopia

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9/12/13 11:10:59 AM#42
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by Aelious
Originally posted by xAPOCx

Pssst. Look at this. I have about 70 acres in NJ for sale. Very fertile land to till crops and make allot of money. Dont worry about the waste disposal co to the west. They said that they had the various leaks and odor under control. Will only cost you 3.7 mil. Cash no checks please. PM me for my PO Box info. 

>.> spending money on the game wasn't the point. Your so quick to believe. Not only believe, but believe a game company such as SOE is almost irresponsible. You might as well believe me when i say i have toxic land to sell you here in NJ. Its ok to get excited about EQN if thats your thing but keep it in your pants =)

 

Originally posted by xAPOCx
 

Wrong. EQN is the promise of steak, mushrooms, big fat chips and a cold bear. The same promise of candy that man made you from the driver seat of his white, unmarked van with no windows.

Can anyone actually take this seriously? Comparisons to child molestation? Come on, get real.

Also what part of waiting to see is so hard for you to understand? Your spelling mistake seems to be the least of your problems if this is truly how you think.

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  Aelious

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9/12/13 11:11:04 AM#43
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by Aelious
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by Aelious
Innocent until proven guilty so yes, until they don't deliver I'll take them at their word. With that in mind, yes, EQN is something unseen and reaches further into an "MMORPG" than any title seen or known. These are some points that accomplish this IMO:

* Smooth, voxel based world (build/break/explore layers down
* Game updates that are built by the players
* NPC AI (likes/dislikes/natural migration)
* Horizontal and vertical progression that is exploration based
* Gathering based on world material, not nodes

These are some but not all. I hope they pull it off.

Pssst. Look at this. I have about 70 acres in NJ for sale. Very fertile land to till crops and make allot of money. Dont worry about the waste disposal co to the west. They said that they had the various leaks and odor under control. Will only cost you 3.7 mil. Cash no checks please. PM me for my PO Box info. 

 

You've perfectly illustrated what is going on.  It costs me nothing to get excited about the possibilities of EQN, nothing.  I could spend my time being dire and jaded about it, which is harmful in any situation and is a "cost", but instead look forward to seeing what comes about.  Not only am I figuratively not spending anything, when it releases as a freemium MMO I won't be actually spending anything either until I know it's worth the money.  Which is also a moot point since I have an All Access Pass, heh.

>.> spending money on the game wasn't the point. Your so quick to believe. Not only believe, but believe a game company such as SOE is almost irresponsible. You might as well believe me when i say i have toxic land to sell you here in NJ. Its ok to get excited about EQN if thats your thing but keep it in your pants =)

 

The only entity that knows what is possible with EQN is SoE.  Of course they are trying to sell a product and will make it look the best they can as does any company selling a product.  Anyone can say features may not make it in and it takes zero effort to do so, they really don't know unless they personally work on EQN (This wont stop them from being "MMO prophets" later on but what can you do?). It also takes zero effort to be excited about the features SoE is highlighting because, again, we really don't know.  Both sides are equal in that regard though one is going by those who would know and others are in opposition.

 

So yes, for some it's better to not believe and guard themselves against disappointment if it will negatively impact them.  For others such as myself I can get excited for something knowing it may not turn out the way they expect.  The sky will not fall if it turns out badly and I wont flood the forums with angst, I have better things to do.  I tend to look for positives first instead of the negatives but that's just me.  So I'll continue to be excited about the features SoE talks about in EQN because they are the only ones that would know.

 

I thought you were done with EQN, why the continued interest?

  Kyllien

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9/12/13 11:12:02 AM#44
Originally posted by Mendel
Originally posted by Rusque
Originally posted by Margulis
My own opinion is not even close.  It's almost laughable to me now considering how early in development the game turned out to be.  They basically hyped it to high heaven based on a tech demo and fancy promises - which every single mmo has made before.

This.

 

The hype is completely unfounded, there's no game to hype, it's a wishlist. Well, dare I say that most games sound amazing at the wish list phase.  I need to see more than some jumping animations to get hyped.

Agreed.  Since EQN won Best Game awards when it is nothing more than a couple of tech demos and some vague concepts, what is going to win Best Game next year?  EQN again?   There's a distinct possibility that EQN could win Best Game awards in three consecutive years before anyone has an opportunity to actually play the game.

If either TTN or MMORPG.com had chosen to grant EQN a special Most Exciting Product on the Horizon award, there wouldn't have been nearly the fuss.   To me, this is more about some degree of journalist integrity on the part of the sites involved than with the (eventual) product itself.   Let's award Best Game awards to actual games, not concepts.

First of all only the press and SOE know what was really shown behind those closed doors.  Maybe it was a tech demo slightly less refined then the reveal.  Maybe it was all on paper and just a bunch of concepts.  But in any case, with all the other options out there for MMOs doesn't it make sense that if the press really does believe that EQN is the next thing coming than I think we have an obligation to at least hold out for more information.  The press at those events know what gaming and programming and how hard it is to make a kick ass MMO.  The fact that they chose EQN speak volumes about the games potential to take its place as a leader again in the MMO world.  Who are you lowly gamer who knows that everyone else is just like them to think that they know more then those who are actually close to the action?  Let them finish EQNL then let them finish EQN.  This winter download EQNL and give it a shot.  If you still don't like where it's going then no one is going to stop you from leaving.  

  Siug

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9/12/13 11:23:34 AM#45
Originally posted by Kyllien

The fact that they chose EQN speak volumes about the games potential to take its place as a leader again in the MMO world.  Who are you lowly gamer who knows that everyone else is just like them to think that they know more then those who are actually close to the action?  Let them finish EQNL then let them finish EQN.  This winter download EQNL and give it a shot.  If you still don't like where it's going then no one is going to stop you from leaving.  

Yawn. Heard and read all that before. Remember SWTOR, GW2? AoC maybe? I believe it ONLY if I see it first hand. Even gameplay demos are usually fake these days.

  coretex666

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9/12/13 11:25:12 AM#46

Despite the fact that this game definitely is not for me, I would say it did live up to the hype thanks to some of the innovative aspects they presented.

I believe it could be a quite successful game for masses. I, as a hardcore gamer, will most likely just watch it from safe distance.

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  Apraxis

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9/12/13 11:33:18 AM#47
Originally posted by Tygranir
Originally posted by Apraxis

 

 

You and for that matter noone can expect, that a game with 100million + development costs will cater to a niche, hardcore audience.. this will never ever happen. We as hardcore players have to look at more indy projects, with a lot smaller budget, but with more creative freedom and the option to cater more to hardcore audiences.

EVE Online would like a word with you.

EvE Online did not start with 100 million budget.. it startet with 24 people working on it, it is exactly what i refer to.. indy projects, as EvE showed, that does not mean that it can grow over time and become big. EvE was made for less money, for a hardcore niche audience.. but on the other hand it was made 2003, where 100 million budgets where not that usual anyway.. WoW with it over 200 million budget started that.

  salty21db

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9/12/13 11:52:48 AM#48
Originally posted by Apraxis
Originally posted by Tygranir
Originally posted by Apraxis

 

 

You and for that matter noone can expect, that a game with 100million + development costs will cater to a niche, hardcore audience.. this will never ever happen. We as hardcore players have to look at more indy projects, with a lot smaller budget, but with more creative freedom and the option to cater more to hardcore audiences.

EVE Online would like a word with you.

EvE Online did not start with 100 million budget.. it startet with 24 people working on it, it is exactly what i refer to.. indy projects, as EvE showed, that does not mean that it can grow over time and become big. EvE was made for less money, for a hardcore niche audience.. but on the other hand it was made 2003, where 100 million budgets where not that usual anyway.. WoW with it over 200 million budget started that.

Whether the game has a large budget or not is 0 indication of how the game will be.

WoW, especially since parented by Activsion, has the largest budget on the market yet puts almost the least amount of content in their game.  I laughed hysterically when they "innovated" Hearthstone lol, Legends of Norrath has been IN GAME for many many years now and is way more in depth.

Fact of the matter is this topic is useless, we can make all the assumptions we want about the game or SoE.  Until we actually get our hands on it our opinions are based upon assumptions.  So whether it "lived up to its hype" is yet to be determined.

P.S. - I like how the "hardcore" crowd says this game isn't for them yet we don't even know what the challenges in the game are going to be like.  I'm "hardcore" and I'm definitely eliteist and I played EQ1 for many years and still do on progression servers and the ideas are fine to me, I just hope it has some risk/reward and challenge to it.

  xAPOCx

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9/12/13 11:58:22 AM#49
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by Aelious
Originally posted by xAPOCx

Pssst. Look at this. I have about 70 acres in NJ for sale. Very fertile land to till crops and make allot of money. Dont worry about the waste disposal co to the west. They said that they had the various leaks and odor under control. Will only cost you 3.7 mil. Cash no checks please. PM me for my PO Box info. 

>.> spending money on the game wasn't the point. Your so quick to believe. Not only believe, but believe a game company such as SOE is almost irresponsible. You might as well believe me when i say i have toxic land to sell you here in NJ. Its ok to get excited about EQN if thats your thing but keep it in your pants =)

 

Originally posted by xAPOCx
 

Wrong. EQN is the promise of steak, mushrooms, big fat chips and a cold bear. The same promise of candy that man made you from the driver seat of his white, unmarked van with no windows.

Can anyone actually take this seriously? Comparisons to child molestation? Come on, get real.

Also what part of waiting to see is so hard for you to understand? Your spelling mistake seems to be the least of your problems if this is truly how you think.

Don't like my analogy? Feel free to come up with your own.

  xAPOCx

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9/12/13 12:03:16 PM#50
Originally posted by Aelious

 

I thought you were done with EQN, why the continued interest?

Im interested in people like you who are still willing to fall for the same lines SOE has been spitting out of their venomous mouths. I still have that land for sale if you're still interested.

  User Deleted
9/12/13 12:08:39 PM#51
OP, we don't need to discuss Ten Ton Hammer or Massively here on this site in the forums at all and no one will be able to say if EQN lives up to the hype until we are playing it. WTF brah!?
  Aelious

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9/12/13 12:13:54 PM#52
xAPOCx

"Venomous mouths"... This seems like the previous disappointment I was talking about in which case not getting excited about stated features is a good thing. There are cases in which you are correct.

If you're so interested I'll give you an exclusive interview. Cash, no checks please and PM me for my PO Box info :p
  Koroshiya

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9/12/13 12:17:40 PM#53

OP asks "Has what we've seen so far lived up to the Ten Ton Hammer and Massively pre-reveal hype?"

 

No.  As a hardcore fan up and until the reveal, not in my opinion.  If this had been 5-6 years ago when marketing speak and big ideas before actually having them working wasn't overdone and abused to hell and back in this genre, maybe.  I know the fanboys and girls, and the trolls are going to eat this up as a "hater" post but honestly you have no idea what you are talking about as I am not a hater, I actually want EQN to succeed but I have history to show me that promises never get delivered on launch the way they are promised in marketing hype.

So until I actually see REAL gameplay with REAL AI improvements, until I have it in my hands and no, I don't mean landmark, I refuse to get hyped up because the things they are saying now all sound like rehashed marketing idea's from other games that never panned out how the original group planned it.  Do I have faith that it can be done?  Sure.  Do I think the penny penchers will allow the real genre changing ideas to go on, or new fresh ideas that haven't been tested?  No.

It's the nature of business.  Profits stifle innovation in gaming because the lowest common denominator then becomes how can we get the lowest budget possible with the highest return in profits.  Not, how can we change this genre and blow minds.  It sucks, but I've seen it happen in multiple studios I worked at which is eventually why I left the industry.

 

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  xAPOCx

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9/12/13 12:23:33 PM#54
All I'm saying is there seems to be this over whelming trust for a company that for the lack of a better word, "fisted" Its loyal fan base on more then one occasion. SOE has not done anything yet to warrant such trust. And who is the ringleader? Fucking Smeds. The king all all deceivers. So my advice to everyone is be excited about EQN if you chose to be. Just show some healthy skepticism.

  Tygranir

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9/12/13 12:34:29 PM#55
Originally posted by xAPOCx
All I'm saying is there seems to be this over whelming trust for a company that for the lack of a better word, "fisted" Its loyal fan base on more then one occasion. SOE has not done anything yet to warrant such trust. And who is the ringleader? Fucking Smeds. The king all all deceivers. So my advice to everyone is be excited about EQN if you chose to be. Just show some healthy skepticism.

What trust? People are excited for a game that looks fun and innovative. SOE has made some mistakes, but they have also developed some amazing games. I still have an all access pass and play eq1, eq2, DCUO, and vanguard. Smedley is a voice, not a developer.

 

Sure, they can make some bad choices, but they also can make a groundbreaking game. Hopeful optimism does not denote absolute trust.

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  xAPOCx

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9/12/13 12:36:39 PM#56
Originally posted by Aelious
xAPOCx

"Venomous mouths"... This seems like the previous disappointment I was talking about in which case not getting excited about stated features is a good thing. There are cases in which you are correct.

If you're so interested I'll give you an exclusive interview. Cash, no checks please and PM me for my PO Box info :p

How much are you charging for said interview?

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9/12/13 12:43:19 PM#57
Originally posted by xAPOCx
All I'm saying is there seems to be this over whelming trust for a company that for the lack of a better word, "fisted" Its loyal fan base on more then one occasion. SOE has not done anything yet to warrant such trust. And who is the ringleader? Fucking Smeds. The king all all deceivers. So my advice to everyone is be excited about EQN if you chose to be. Just show some healthy skepticism.

Personally speaking...

I seem to remember playing EQ 1 when it launched but didn't play it for long. I am in no way an SOE whore or blinded by some deep seated love in either direction for SOE. I do not hate or hope for any failure for any company. I do not lose faith simply because of some childish obstinance.

I simply state, based on what has been shown so far, that I believe they deserve all the plaudits they are receiveing.

Why?

Because what has been shown so far I believe WILL change the entire MMO landscape. I believe sincerely that some of the foundations shown so far are going to be as game changing as moving from a 2D top down isometric view to a 3D over the shoulder world was so many years ago.

There really is no conspiracy here. People are totally free to like something and you are totally free to dislike it. Just stop repeatedly bringing up the same argument over and over expecting to get a different response.

 

 

  xAPOCx

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9/12/13 12:50:02 PM#58
Originally posted by Tygranir
Originally posted by xAPOCx
All I'm saying is there seems to be this over whelming trust for a company that for the lack of a better word, "fisted" Its loyal fan base on more then one occasion. SOE has not done anything yet to warrant such trust. And who is the ringleader? Fucking Smeds. The king all all deceivers. So my advice to everyone is be excited about EQN if you chose to be. Just show some healthy skepticism.

What trust? People are excited for a game that looks fun and innovative. SOE has made some mistakes, but that have also developed some amazing games. I still have an all access pass and play eq1, eq2, DCUO, and vanguard. Smedley is a voice, not a developer.

 

Sure, they can make some bad choices, but they also can make a groundbreaking game. Hopeful optimism does not denote absolute trust.

You're right. Smeds is a voice and not a dev. Who is he the voice for? Hes the voice for the suits on the top floor and a voice for every prospective investor. So in essences, Smeds is a salesman. And what do salesmen do? They do whatever they can to make the sale ( including lying ) And what happens when people lie? People don't trust them. At this point in time SOE has made a huge claim that EQN will be the biggest sandbox game ever made. Can we really trust this when it was Smeds himself that uttered these words?

 

Hopeful optimism is fine when coupled together with healthy skepticism.

  Tygranir

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9/12/13 12:52:40 PM#59
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by Tygranir
Originally posted by xAPOCx
All I'm saying is there seems to be this over whelming trust for a company that for the lack of a better word, "fisted" Its loyal fan base on more then one occasion. SOE has not done anything yet to warrant such trust. And who is the ringleader? Fucking Smeds. The king all all deceivers. So my advice to everyone is be excited about EQN if you chose to be. Just show some healthy skepticism.

What trust? People are excited for a game that looks fun and innovative. SOE has made some mistakes, but that have also developed some amazing games. I still have an all access pass and play eq1, eq2, DCUO, and vanguard. Smedley is a voice, not a developer.

 

Sure, they can make some bad choices, but they also can make a groundbreaking game. Hopeful optimism does not denote absolute trust.

You're right. Smeds is a voice and not a dev. Who is he the voice for? Hes the voice for the suits on the top floor and a voice for every prospective investor. So in essences, Smeds is a salesman. And what do salesmen do? They do whatever they can to make the sale ( including lying ) And what happens when people lie? People don't trust them. At this point in time SOE has made a huge claim that EQN will be the biggest sandbox game ever made. Can we really trust this when it was Smeds himself that uttered these words?

 

Hopeful optimism is fine when coupled together with healthy skepticism.

What is there to be skeptical about? It is well known that good games make more money than bad ones. The game is free to play, so there is no "Trust". Everyone can try it before investing in it. They don't offer free samples of gross food at a store. A game that starts off as free to play will sink or swim on it's own merrits, not by one man's word.

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9/12/13 12:52:44 PM#60
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by Tygranir
Originally posted by xAPOCx
All I'm saying is there seems to be this over whelming trust for a company that for the lack of a better word, "fisted" Its loyal fan base on more then one occasion. SOE has not done anything yet to warrant such trust. And who is the ringleader? Fucking Smeds. The king all all deceivers. So my advice to everyone is be excited about EQN if you chose to be. Just show some healthy skepticism.

What trust? People are excited for a game that looks fun and innovative. SOE has made some mistakes, but that have also developed some amazing games. I still have an all access pass and play eq1, eq2, DCUO, and vanguard. Smedley is a voice, not a developer.

 

Sure, they can make some bad choices, but they also can make a groundbreaking game. Hopeful optimism does not denote absolute trust.

You're right. Smeds is a voice and not a dev. Who is he the voice for? Hes the voice for the suits on the top floor and a voice for every prospective investor. So in essences, Smeds is a salesman. And what do salesmen do? They do whatever they can to make the sale ( including lying ) And what happens when people lie? People don't trust them. At this point in time SOE has made a huge claim that EQN will be the biggest sandbox game ever made. Can we really trust this when it was Smeds himself that uttered these words?

 

Hopeful optimism is fine when coupled together with healthy skepticism.

Wild assumptions = Smed is a salesman

Wild assumptions = All salesmen lie

Wild assumptions = Smed must be lying

 

Seriously pathetic!

 

 

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