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  Calerxes

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9/10/13 7:46:27 AM#81
Originally posted by Drakynn
Originally posted by Calerxes

Snip!

I believe Kierkegaard would more attribute this to the other side of the argument.People using their freedom of speech to say others should not be allowed to make statements.He was talking about using a freedom t deny yourself other freedoms.

 

To me it means thinking before you open your mouth, its a simple as that, freedom is not about being able to do what we please when we please, modern society works under the rule of law. The point being, can you get your point across without denigrating a section of society with crass and sensationalist rhetoric for a cheap laugh? if not you are not as intelligent and insightful as you think you are. If we are not empathetic towards others then we might as well shut up modern civilization as it has failed. We all see the immature behaviour of the MMO communities daily in many MMO's and isn't nice when you hit upon a mature community with mature rules? Freedom without rules isn't freedom its anarchy.

Well that's an interpretation and certainly has merits.I don't think the joke in question was particularly funny and rape wasn't the focus of the joke at all and could of been replaced by something else since western history has shown that people would not bat an eye if he had said any other violent act of a non sexual nature.

That being said there was nothing illegal in what was said and no laws broken.We also can't force people to shut up just because we think they are crass or sensationalist.Freedom of speech isn't just for the intellectual elite or polite.As long as it doesn't wander into slander or liable then they have the right to say it.We don;t have to like it and we can say we don't like it and we can rebut whatever they say but we can't stop them saying it.

If we sanitize everything just to make sure no one is offended at all times then we end up saying nothing at all ever.

 

 

Its not about sanitizing the world, would you joke about the chemical attacks on the Syrian people in a public forum with children involved? its about thinking about what you do and when you do it. Penny Arcade is not a back street adult comedy club where anything goes and you know what you are in for before you go in, its a very popular website and convention. There is a time and place for things and their joke and response to criticism was ill conceived and immature. Also along with statute law there is unwritten law of common decency and expressing yourself in the right places. I don't want to stop people making jokes but as I've said there is a time and place for such things.

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  Drakynn

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Joined: 3/02/08
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9/10/13 11:07:20 AM#82
Originally posted by Calerxes
Originally posted by Drakynn
Originally posted by Calerxes

Snip!

I believe Kierkegaard would more attribute this to the other side of the argument.People using their freedom of speech to say others should not be allowed to make statements.He was talking about using a freedom t deny yourself other freedoms.

 

To me it means thinking before you open your mouth, its a simple as that, freedom is not about being able to do what we please when we please, modern society works under the rule of law. The point being, can you get your point across without denigrating a section of society with crass and sensationalist rhetoric for a cheap laugh? if not you are not as intelligent and insightful as you think you are. If we are not empathetic towards others then we might as well shut up modern civilization as it has failed. We all see the immature behaviour of the MMO communities daily in many MMO's and isn't nice when you hit upon a mature community with mature rules? Freedom without rules isn't freedom its anarchy.

Well that's an interpretation and certainly has merits.I don't think the joke in question was particularly funny and rape wasn't the focus of the joke at all and could of been replaced by something else since western history has shown that people would not bat an eye if he had said any other violent act of a non sexual nature.

That being said there was nothing illegal in what was said and no laws broken.We also can't force people to shut up just because we think they are crass or sensationalist.Freedom of speech isn't just for the intellectual elite or polite.As long as it doesn't wander into slander or liable then they have the right to say it.We don;t have to like it and we can say we don't like it and we can rebut whatever they say but we can't stop them saying it.

If we sanitize everything just to make sure no one is offended at all times then we end up saying nothing at all ever.

 

 

Its not about sanitizing the world, would you joke about the chemical attacks on the Syrian people in a public forum with children involved? its about thinking about what you do and when you do it. Penny Arcade is not a back street adult comedy club where anything goes and you know what you are in for before you go in, its a very popular website and convention. There is a time and place for things and their joke and response to criticism was ill conceived and immature. Also along with statute law there is unwritten law of common decency and expressing yourself in the right places. I don't want to stop people making jokes but as I've said there is a time and place for such things.

I don't dispute that their response is immature...they are known for immature,knee jerk responses and for bad taste jokes.Their audience knows this too.I'm not even a fan of the comic strip but I am a fan of PAX and their charity work.Villifying them for the times they stray to close or over your personal lines is just as Knee jerk and immature.

The Joke again is not centered on rape and was made ages ago so when is the right time?Again I agree their responses were immature but then people defend Tasos,Phil Fish,CliffyB and other game developers when they make immature,stupid statements and no one bats an eyelid.

Once again I submit had they used decapitation instead of alluded to rape none of the moral crusaders here would of said a thing.

Also people re making jokes about the situation in Syria,most have been in good taste but many not so.As said before jokes are a way we use to lessen the horror of things.

It doesn't mean like other  posters here have said that there is a lack of empathy on anyone's part,bad taste yes but lack of empathy no.But again that sort of villification of anyone with a different opinion is typical of these forums and certain societies.

  Calerxes

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Joined: 2/06/09
Posts: 1658

9/10/13 2:19:53 PM#83
Originally posted by Drakynn
Originally posted by Calerxes
Originally posted by Drakynn
Originally posted by Calerxes

Snip!

I believe Kierkegaard would more attribute this to the other side of the argument.People using their freedom of speech to say others should not be allowed to make statements.He was talking about using a freedom t deny yourself other freedoms.

 

To me it means thinking before you open your mouth, its a simple as that, freedom is not about being able to do what we please when we please, modern society works under the rule of law. The point being, can you get your point across without denigrating a section of society with crass and sensationalist rhetoric for a cheap laugh? if not you are not as intelligent and insightful as you think you are. If we are not empathetic towards others then we might as well shut up modern civilization as it has failed. We all see the immature behaviour of the MMO communities daily in many MMO's and isn't nice when you hit upon a mature community with mature rules? Freedom without rules isn't freedom its anarchy.

Well that's an interpretation and certainly has merits.I don't think the joke in question was particularly funny and rape wasn't the focus of the joke at all and could of been replaced by something else since western history has shown that people would not bat an eye if he had said any other violent act of a non sexual nature.

That being said there was nothing illegal in what was said and no laws broken.We also can't force people to shut up just because we think they are crass or sensationalist.Freedom of speech isn't just for the intellectual elite or polite.As long as it doesn't wander into slander or liable then they have the right to say it.We don;t have to like it and we can say we don't like it and we can rebut whatever they say but we can't stop them saying it.

If we sanitize everything just to make sure no one is offended at all times then we end up saying nothing at all ever.

 

 

Its not about sanitizing the world, would you joke about the chemical attacks on the Syrian people in a public forum with children involved? its about thinking about what you do and when you do it. Penny Arcade is not a back street adult comedy club where anything goes and you know what you are in for before you go in, its a very popular website and convention. There is a time and place for things and their joke and response to criticism was ill conceived and immature. Also along with statute law there is unwritten law of common decency and expressing yourself in the right places. I don't want to stop people making jokes but as I've said there is a time and place for such things.

I don't dispute that their response is immature...they are known for immature,knee jerk responses and for bad taste jokes.Their audience knows this too.I'm not even a fan of the comic strip but I am a fan of PAX and their charity work.Villifying them for the times they stray to close or over your personal lines is just as Knee jerk and immature.

The Joke again is not centered on rape and was made ages ago so when is the right time?Again I agree their responses were immature but then people defend Tasos,Phil Fish,CliffyB and other game developers when they make immature,stupid statements and no one bats an eyelid.

Once again I submit had they used decapitation instead of alluded to rape none of the moral crusaders here would of said a thing.

Also people re making jokes about the situation in Syria,most have been in good taste but many not so.As said before jokes are a way we use to lessen the horror of things.

It doesn't mean like other  posters here have said that there is a lack of empathy on anyone's part,bad taste yes but lack of empathy no.But again that sort of villification of anyone with a different opinion is typical of these forums and certain societies.

 

Again its not about vilifying people its about being responsible and with the exposure Penny Arcade has now its irresponsible of them to even think like that. Why not have a PAXadult with a caveat that anything goes and make it over 18, that would be responsible. Thinking you can get away with saying anything anywhere isn't, its why we have ratings and watersheds on TV, in Film and in Games? we don't want to stop people writing and saying risque things its just there is a time and place for it, modern society shouldn't be like a schoolyard should it? The young are still as impressionable as ever and they are exposed to more and more stimulus through the Internet than ever and certainly more than I was as a teenager. Its immaturity that needs to be addressed not satire. 

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  Drakynn

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Joined: 3/02/08
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9/10/13 3:11:42 PM#84
Originally posted by Calerxes

Again its not about vilifying people its about being responsible and with the exposure Penny Arcade has now its irresponsible of them to even think like that. Why not have a PAXadult with a caveat that anything goes and make it over 18, that would be responsible. Thinking you can get away with saying anything anywhere isn't, its why we have ratings and watersheds on TV, in Film and in Games? we don't want to stop people writing and saying risque things its just there is a time and place for it, modern society shouldn't be like a schoolyard should it? The young are still as impressionable as ever and they are exposed to more and more stimulus through the Internet than ever and certainly more than I was as a teenager. Its immaturity that needs to be addressed not satire. 

Now we are venturing into different territory.As a parent I will say this it's a parent's responsibility to monitor and regulate what their child sees on t.v and any other media and to explain things to a child when he/she does see something inappropriate which happens eventually even without media.

Now media does have a responsibility to clearly show what content is included in what is being viewed for sure and websites apart from porn are not very good at doing that because there is no regulation and regulation is very difficult on this medium.But that why there are nanny programs for the net and why you should be looking at your child's browsing history and setting rules for their usage.

I am not a supporter of over regulation so people can regulate their responsibilities to others.

Also have you read most of this thread?It's mostly villification.

  Swedish_Chef

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Joined: 8/26/13
Posts: 225

Bort bort bort!

9/10/13 3:48:06 PM#85
Originally posted by MMOWarrior
You guys just don't get it.. and sadly so many of you think it's cute and funny to perpetuate a hostile and uncomfortable space for women gamers.. this article wasn't about the old comic strip it was about the disgusting community reaction that is repeating itself right here.. 

Why only hostile to female gamers? You DO realize that there are many men out there who have suffered from rape, right? Rape doesn't just happen to females, and I think you're being incredibly short-sighted & perhaps a bit misandrous (or is it misandrist?) with your generalization. Maybe instead of criticizing other people's supposed lack of empathy, you yourself show actually show some to the thousands of men out there who suffer the same emotional scars as anyone else who has had unwanted intercourse forced upon them.

See how quickly I turned your own statement against you? That's the kind of garbage the PC crowd does. Almost nobody here is displaying a lack of empathy; rather we're simply pointing out that having to 'scrub' every single thing we say so as not to offend anybody is completely unrealistic, if not outright impossible.

I'm not advocating that certain people / groups of people should be antagonized (unless they deserve it) deliberately, but I'm not going to spend the rest of my life constantly looking over my shoulder (metaphorically speaking, OFC) before I say something to make sure nobody will be offended by it.

 

  bbbb42

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Joined: 10/16/12
Posts: 293

9/11/13 7:11:17 AM#86
:/ is this suppose to be funny?

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