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  drbaltazar

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9/08/13 4:59:20 PM#21
I m playing both (philcon on tsw)((kalam meckhar on ff14)and I can say the 2.5 s CD is more fun ,why!lot more to do!you meat shield for in tsw?no buggy its just a long fight.in ff14 you face for ?you die.people forget to auto attack ,don't !you need it .2.5 s is required .want a free tip?make your whole group rotate at end game it makes enemy way less likely to kill group.the enemy circle with arrow pointing at you isn't there for show!its to warn you:you are about to be dead!ff14 combat is awesome!crafting?last time I met this good was in eq2 .but here ?lol imagine raiding mechanic meet crafting!one warning ,don't use gold .and only use it for repair.
  niceguy3978

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9/08/13 5:08:56 PM#22
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by funcon
this Final Fantasy game has combat like WoW. Almost 10 year old combat in 2013.

This style combat is older than 10 years ;)

As is the "new" action combat.  These threads/posts at least keep the forums lively.

  Mr.Kujo

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9/08/13 5:12:04 PM#23
Originally posted by Torcip
Originally posted by nerovipus32
The funny thing about ff14 combat is it's nothing like final fantasy combat

How is it not? It's an MMO version of turn based combat. Nearly Identical to FF12 or 11 and even resembling 13 or any other FF that had ATB combat. The global cool down is trying to accomplish this.

 

There is a difference between turn based combat and ATB, but you are right, this is just the direction in which FF was going all the time. It was a classical turn based combat up until V or VI (don't remember), after that it was ATB. So if someone played only until then, he might find new system not fitting.

The thing is, ATB was awesome back in the 2D, but the more realistic the game becomes, the more ridiculous the whole half turn half action looks like. Was fine when a sprite was static and attacked when you commanded it too, but now a fully animated 3d model just standing in front of monster waiting together with it might be a bit immersion breaking for players new to the IP.

  Bigdaddyx

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9/08/13 5:17:22 PM#24
Originally posted by funcon
this Final Fantasy game has combat like WoW. Almost 10 year old combat in 2013.

I don't remember WOW having 2.5  GC?

  Regnor

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9/08/13 5:18:22 PM#25

It comes down to this. If you like mashing buttons fast and being able to change tactics instantly in real time without thinking then you will be disappointed. If on the other hand you like to have time to make tactical choices based on visual cues on the screen and like turn based strategy gaming, you will love this combat compared to the "action combat" trending everywhere else.

FFXIV has lots of faults, but the combat system is not one of them imo.

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  xxtriadxx

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9/08/13 5:18:25 PM#26

Remember when you could stand still in an MMO and press 1 2 3 4 ... 4 3 2 1..yep that's basically combat in FFXIV.

Its classic mmo style combat. Pretty boring with lots of sparkles. But not horrible bad. 

 

 

 

 

  Bigdaddyx

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9/08/13 5:21:16 PM#27
Originally posted by Gravarg

It gets faster the more you level.  Just like any game, if you only play to level 20 then you don't know what you're talking about.  On my paladin I'm hitting buttons faster and more often then any  other game I've played in awhile...

 

Also, the longer GCD is so you actually think and not mash buttons like other games.  2.5 seconds pressing the wrong button could be the difference between a wipe and victory!

Sorry but that makes no sense. I don't remember any other recent MMO with 2.5 GC. Mind naming a few for us so that we know how fast you are pressing buttons in comparison?

  Amegashie

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9/08/13 5:24:04 PM#28

It's manageable but clearly not a strong point of the game. For the tank and melee dps classes in particular the global cooldown prevents any flow of combat, with a little lag mixed in it gets pretty bad. Casters do somewhat better but it's not very responsive and fluent for them either.

 

TSW's issues are quite different, the animations are ... awful and the impact of hits received and delivered completely off. 

 

If the combat system is a priority for you, you'll probably want to stay clear of both games.

  Doomedfox

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9/08/13 5:24:07 PM#29
Originally posted by nephren25

i never played TSW but it is really slow combat in ff xiv. the global cool down is 2.5 secs. so a fast attacking class like the monk just not fun to play but 2nd toon was a glad and it wasnt as bad with the 2h wep that is ment to be slow.

At lvl 30 i had 2.22 sec cooldown on my Monk and that was with medicore equipment and no food to boost the skill speed even more.

I know i will be able to get a third stack of greased lighting later on which will give me another 5% on skill speed plus whatever more i can grab from equipment and food.

As a monk you pretty much have to move around all the time to hit the mob from the right side for the added benefits of your attack (most Puglists i played with so far didnt do that tho) if you take care not to miss the right angle and not to screw up the chain for Greased lighting a 2.20sec cooldown was anything but slow already.

  TwoThreeFour

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9/08/13 5:34:16 PM#30
Originally posted by Amegashie

It's manageable but clearly not a strong point of the game. For the tank and melee dps classes in particular the global cooldown prevents any flow of combat, with a little lag mixed in it gets pretty bad. Casters do somewhat better but it's not very responsive and fluent for them either.

 

TSW's issues are quite different, the animations are ... awful and the impact of hits received and delivered completely off. 

 

If the combat system is a priority for you, you'll probably want to stay clear of both games.

I play two melee classes. puglist and lancer and there is indeed a flow namely: Use Skill -> Move -> Repeat with sometimes Move+instant Skill being used instead of "Move".  (Yes, you are supposed to move between each attack.

  echolynfan

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9/08/13 5:35:12 PM#31
Originally posted by MMOHO

is it like TSW bad? 

 

Combat is fun and is not a button mashing fest like some games. The global cooldown actually makes you "think" before just randomly hitting buttons. The slower style appeals to me but some may not like it.

 

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  robrose89

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9/08/13 5:48:10 PM#32
Originally posted by Torcip

Well, it's a Final Fantasy game and teh combat is modeled after Final Fantasy games as to be expected.  If you don't like Final Fantasy game combat then you probably won't like this combat because that is what they were going for.  Every Final Fantasy numbered game has "turn" based combat, if it doesn't they don't give it a number.

And it nothing like TSW combat, nor does the 2.5 second cooldown stay 2.5 seconds or even apply to all abilities. Something that also offsets the cooldown is that abilities have pretty long cast times compared to instant hitting abilities of other MMOs, this is because interrupts are a big part of the combat as likely will be a big part of PvP.

this.

  Braindome

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9/08/13 5:50:27 PM#33

This stupid thread is 4 pages long really? There are skills that don't share the 2.5s GCD, people seem to be ignoring and skipping that fact.

This thread is such flame bait.

  drbaltazar

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9/08/13 5:52:21 PM#34
trust me !this is like vanilla wow.if you don't learn to avoid enemy ,you won't reach end game.primal are the foot soldier of the enemy and already a lot of people have trouble .it get more lively .timing is critical in this game .for interrupt healer ?your group just wiped.interrupt are off cool down so guess what!ya on top of normal duty you have to interrupt.didn't.your tank just lost 75% of his hp?!wait there was 2foe !did tank move or yelled heal dam it heal.if he moved he moves?he's alive.ya this is not wow!I hope s-e stick with the move or your dead.it is lovely!.
  AIMonster

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9/08/13 5:55:23 PM#35
Originally posted by Deathstrike2

It depends on what class you are.  My caster felt okay because the animations took up most of the 2.5 cooldown.  My fighter felt slow and clunky.

 

Another major turn off for me was my first fights involved killing squirrels, mushrooms, and ladybugs....  yes, ladybugs. 

 

I'm sure the game is great fun for many people, but I'm not impressed and not having much fun.  Still waiting on the elusive MMO I can comfortably call home. 

Prove you have to the mettle and might to join the Lancer guild, oh brave warrior.  Slay 3 helpless ladybugs and you'll have what it takes to join our ranks!

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  nephren25

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9/08/13 6:11:23 PM#36

2.2 secs is still to slow imo dont get me wrong i enjoyed beta testing the game but i didnt buy it because combat was to slow. i enjoy action combat just more fun to me but thats my opinion your free to have yours.

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  Rusque

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9/08/13 6:28:14 PM#37
Originally posted by drbaltazar
trust me !this is like vanilla wow.if you don't learn to avoid enemy ,you won't reach end game.primal are the foot soldier of the enemy and already a lot of people have trouble .it get more lively .timing is critical in this game .for interrupt healer ?your group just wiped.interrupt are off cool down so guess what!ya on top of normal duty you have to interrupt.didn't.your tank just lost 75% of his hp?!wait there was 2foe !did tank move or yelled heal dam it heal.if he moved he moves?he's alive.ya this is not wow!I hope s-e stick with the move or your dead.it is lovely!.

Besides the fact that you are clearly on the drugs, that is actually exactly WoW. Unless you're over-geared for content you will die if you stand in bad things.

  drbaltazar

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9/08/13 6:57:00 PM#38
tank needgo on twitch find one that stream bahamut (4) you all get the point!bahamut is a point in progress your real enemy being the empire.
  Slappy1

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9/08/13 7:05:52 PM#39
Originally posted by MMOHO

is it like TSW bad? 

 

The best comparison I can give is WoW combat style,with Lotro speed too pull off said action's.I'm not complaining though,it feels more like an old school mmo with some extras built in.

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  Torcip

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9/08/13 7:35:07 PM#40
Originally posted by AIMonster
Originally posted by Deathstrike2

It depends on what class you are.  My caster felt okay because the animations took up most of the 2.5 cooldown.  My fighter felt slow and clunky.

 

Another major turn off for me was my first fights involved killing squirrels, mushrooms, and ladybugs....  yes, ladybugs. 

 

I'm sure the game is great fun for many people, but I'm not impressed and not having much fun.  Still waiting on the elusive MMO I can comfortably call home. 

Prove you have to the mettle and might to join the Lancer guild, oh brave warrior.  Slay 3 helpless ladybugs and you'll have what it takes to join our ranks!

Have you ever tried to hit a ladybug or squirrel with a lance? I'd stay the fuck away from someone who could do that.

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