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General Discussion  » [POLL] Should ESOs art style be more stylized and cartoony?

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  Elikal

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“No path is darker then when your eyes are shut.” -Flemeth

9/07/13 4:16:45 PM#21

I prefer realistic at ANY day. BUT: I want the world still to be lush and with atmosphere. The TESO videos I saw were way too many grey and brown and OH LOOK more grey and brown. I do NOT want TESO more stylized, so there wasn't any answer that applied to me for real.

In the end I need to SEE it ingame (and EQN as comparison, too) to really say.

As I said, I want realism, but please not like all colour bled out.

 

 

"Such are the 'new realism' games: what isn't brown is grey, and what isn't grey is too dark to make out!"

- Yahtzee, Zero Punctuation

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Entinerint

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9/07/13 5:44:56 PM#22
Pretty good as is, but for me there's no end to the amount of dark gritty realism I want.    I voted for MORE dark gritty realism PLEASE!
  Elikal

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9/07/13 8:48:15 PM#23
Originally posted by Entinerint
Pretty good as is, but for me there's no end to the amount of dark gritty realism I want.    I voted for MORE dark gritty realism PLEASE!

Noooooooo! You're mean! You only say that to tease me! Shoo! I can't hear you! LALALALALALA!

XD

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  keithian

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9/07/13 9:52:14 PM#24
Originally posted by Elikal

I prefer realistic at ANY day. BUT: I want the world still to be lush and with atmosphere. The TESO videos I saw were way too many grey and brown and OH LOOK more grey and brown. I do NOT want TESO more stylized, so there wasn't any answer that applied to me for real.

In the end I need to SEE it ingame (and EQN as comparison, too) to really say.

As I said, I want realism, but please not like all colour bled out.

 

 

"Such are the 'new realism' games: what isn't brown is grey, and what isn't grey is too dark to make out!"

- Yahtzee, Zero Punctuation

To be honest, I felt skyrim has a lot of earth colors in general..a lot of browns, greys, and earthy green blends. It suited the game to me. I installed that tropical jungle mod which made it super colorful  and the game felt completely out of place so I uninstalled it. I think we will find with ESO some locations are more vibrant than others, but I hope they stick with the earthy color scheme.

There Is Always Hope!

  marsmercer

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9/07/13 9:55:44 PM#25
I voted perfect as it is. . .I have recently returned to Warhammer Online and Age of Conan to git my grim and gritty fix in. I currently also have Rift and TSW in my rotation. I love the recent population growth I'm seeing in Warhammer Online and Age of Conan. My hope is that ESO continues with the grit!
  ropenice

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9/07/13 10:12:44 PM#26
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by rodingo
Originally posted by Iselin

EQN is the only one that chose to create a cartoon style that is inconsistent. And it's a very weird decision that undermines all the other exciting new things they're trying to accomplish. It's not a huge deal to me and I'm still very much interested in EQN. But I'm interested despite their art style choice, not because of it. 

Maybe the EQN art team is a completely different group of people (I have no idea) than who worked on their previous titles. One thing for sure though, at least for EQ2, their armor/clothing design was just terrible looking not to mention the material they assigned to the textures looked like either Blinn or Phong shader models.  It just gave it an overall plastic look.  It looks like they are trying to distance themselves for that and trying something new.  If anything, the stylized look of the characters will allow them to have more extreme and interesting looking animations all around.

Regardless of their reasons it was a 180 degree change that caught many by surprise. I understand the facial expression SOEmote reasons they have cited. But their decision has steered a lot of the EQN discussion away from the innovative core gameplay features and into an endless, pointless debate about cartoon art style.

Just like with corporate logos, a decision to change the visuals that people identify with a product should never be done lightly, and only if the new look is a significant improvement over the old. I can't say that about EQN. Refining and improving their trademark look would have been a better choice.

Yeah, I'm not sure I'm buying that as their real reason for using the cartoony art. Seems more likely it's to attract WoW players and younger gamers, ie more numbers. I don't even see the appeal of the SOEmote. Not that many people RP deep enough to watch for or need facial emotes and in pvp battle will people really be looking at each others faces or will they be concentrating on the fight. Besides a first glance to see what a character looks like, I can't remember ever looking at faces much. Seems like a waste of resources that could've gone towards other things. Oh well, maybe their is a large amount of people that desire it in game.

  AmbrosiaAmor

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9/07/13 11:38:18 PM#27
Originally posted by Balkin31
Hell no to stylized... 

 

Hell no to Disney! I hate you Disney! I love Goofy and Eeyore though. An Eeyore plushie... omg I would melt. ESO is fine the way it is. Business model on the other hand... O-hohohoho.

  KyutaSyuko

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9/07/13 11:50:36 PM#28
The Elder Scrolls already has its own art style and if they changed it in ESO then it wouldn't be an Elder Scrolls game.  At least not to me.
  Siug

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9/08/13 1:55:29 AM#29
Art style is the best thing this game has imo. Now, if only there were better devs who actually can think out of Daoc box...
  Gorwe

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9/08/13 4:26:41 AM#30
Originally posted by Piiritus
Art style is the best thing this game has imo. Now, if only there were better devs who actually can think out of Daoc box...

Yup! This is what worries me tbh. Why? Well because this exact thing applies(-ed) to another game Ex DAoC devs made: WAR. And I sure as hell don't want ESO to go down that route...

Mythic washouts should really learn that you can't force an huge IP such as TES or, Asuryan forbid, Warhammer into that small DAoC mould of theirs-insta epic fail if they do this. What they should do instead is to adapt DAoC elements to the bigger IP at hand-insta epic win if they do this(they never do this btw). So the choice is easy: epic fail or epic win? One would think that's a VERY easy question, but no. There obviously are people that love epic fails. Ie:Mythic.

Sorry for off topic!

  Elikal

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9/08/13 5:35:52 AM#31
Originally posted by keithian
Originally posted by Elikal

I prefer realistic at ANY day. BUT: I want the world still to be lush and with atmosphere. The TESO videos I saw were way too many grey and brown and OH LOOK more grey and brown. I do NOT want TESO more stylized, so there wasn't any answer that applied to me for real.

In the end I need to SEE it ingame (and EQN as comparison, too) to really say.

As I said, I want realism, but please not like all colour bled out.

 

 

"Such are the 'new realism' games: what isn't brown is grey, and what isn't grey is too dark to make out!"

- Yahtzee, Zero Punctuation

To be honest, I felt skyrim has a lot of earth colors in general..a lot of browns, greys, and earthy green blends. It suited the game to me. I installed that tropical jungle mod which made it super colorful  and the game felt completely out of place so I uninstalled it. I think we will find with ESO some locations are more vibrant than others, but I hope they stick with the earthy color scheme.

Ok this is how I play Skyrim, with two visual mods. One really raises the saturation, like A LOT. And the other adds more lush grass and flowers. Not over the top like the tropical mod, but those wonderful colours just cheer me up. :)

This is the best example how I'd like TESO to look. ^^

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Synns77

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9/08/13 5:42:58 AM#32
I think eso looks ok, it seems to have that skyrim type look which is exactly what it should have. My only concern with this approach is how well the game will age, stylised graphics do tend to remain fresh looking for longer. In the end though its the gameplay that will make or break this game not the graphics.
  Elikal

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“No path is darker then when your eyes are shut.” -Flemeth

9/08/13 5:49:36 AM#33
Originally posted by Synns77
I think eso looks ok, it seems to have that skyrim type look which is exactly what it should have. My only concern with this approach is how well the game will age, stylised graphics do tend to remain fresh looking for longer. In the end though its the gameplay that will make or break this game not the graphics.

I hear the aging argument often, but seriously: how many years are we playing the same MMO? I guess any top notch graphics of 2014 will look good enough for 5 years, and by then 200 new MMOs will be there anyway. ;)

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Mr.Kujo

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9/08/13 6:25:22 AM#34

Originally posted by SimonVDH

Originally posted by Sengi
  • Cartoony and non violent graphics appeal to all audiences and are more family friendly.

This is false. First: nothing appeals to all audiences, second: there are many people that hate cartoony graphics. Developers choose it because it's easy to make and modify. I would love SWtOR if it had ultra realistic graphic style.

 

I have the same feeling. When I first heard about SWTOR and saw the realistic cinematic I was exited like a little baby in toy store. Then when I saw the graphics it was like a big kick in the balls. I hate CN for airing Clone Wars, the commercials on the internet themselves made me angry, I hated that style. When I saw that SWTOR basically goes the same way it ruined the game for me. So no, cartoony graphics most definately not appeal to all audiences. I can understand why EQ fans hate new art style, if they change style of something that wasn't originaly cartoony, then that part of audience is just kicked in the balls.


Originally posted by Elikal

Originally posted by Entinerint
Pretty good as is, but for me there's no end to the amount of dark gritty realism I want.    I voted for MORE dark gritty realism PLEASE!

Noooooooo! You're mean! You only say that to tease me! Shoo! I can't hear you! LALALALALALA!

XD

 

I also voted for more dark :P But it is because I like to have a choice in life. I am happy that I can choose between cartoony Wildstar, a very stylized EQN and more realistic and dark stylized ESO. I also know that there is a huge choice in games with colorful pallettes and barely any with a dark, horror setting. And I played Requirem, so I know that horror MMO is something that should be made more, because that style is awesome. And I saw leaked video of ESO from russian beta tester and he was in some very dark and creepy location, I hope there are a lots of those in this game.

 

Originally posted by keithian

To be honest, I felt skyrim has a lot of earth colors in general..a lot of browns, greys, and earthy green blends. It suited the game to me. I installed that tropical jungle mod which made it super colorful  and the game felt completely out of place so I uninstalled it. I think we will find with ESO some locations are more vibrant than others, but I hope they stick with the earthy color scheme.

 

There are three main reasons behind the lame color pallete they are using. First the most obvious one, it is just a style. Second, the lack of detail in game intensifies that feeling. If you had more colorful elements in it, the effect would be less obvious, but the game is made like in 99% out of gray bricks, gray rocks, and pure green grass, and everything you see man made in cities for some reason has the color of the material it is made of. I guess they haven't invented paint in that universe. Last reason is also the fact, that small pallette doesn't make the eyes tired.

 

Originally posted by ropenice

Yeah, I'm not sure I'm buying that as their real reason for using the cartoony art. Seems more likely it's to attract WoW players and younger gamers, ie more numbers. I don't even see the appeal of the SOEmote. Not that many people RP deep enough to watch for or need facial emotes and in pvp battle will people really be looking at each others faces or will they be concentrating on the fight. Besides a first glance to see what a character looks like, I can't remember ever looking at faces much. Seems like a waste of resources that could've gone towards other things. Oh well, maybe their is a large amount of people that desire it in game.

 

I dont agree. If you played around with SOEmote in EQ2 you should know how incredible feature that is and how bad and almost invisible it looked on humanoid races. You had to be Froglock for anyone to see you talking in game. I also think that they have Oculus Rift in mind at this point.

And the feature itself is not only for RPing, it is fun as hell for everyone, when my friend was a talking frog I nearly pissed myself just looking at a frog laughing with his voice. I'm pretty sure that is how future games should be, it is not about RPing but about technology. Everybody wants a virtual world, and being able to talk like your character is a first step to that realm. Imagine combining that with Oculus Rift, it fits perfectly. I'm pretty sure they take Oculus rift into consideration, because by the time they game is released, maybe Oculus will be already in main stream. A pretty underestimated feature in my opinion.

 

Originally posted by Gorwe

Originally posted by Piiritus
Art style is the best thing this game has imo. Now, if only there were better devs who actually can think out of Daoc box...

Yup! This is what worries me tbh. Why? Well because this exact thing applies(-ed) to another game Ex DAoC devs made: WAR. And I sure as hell don't want ESO to go down that route...

Mythic washouts should really learn that you can't force an huge IP such as TES or, Asuryan forbid, Warhammer into that small DAoC mould of theirs-insta epic fail if they do this. What they should do instead is to adapt DAoC elements to the bigger IP at hand-insta epic win if they do this(they never do this btw). So the choice is easy: epic fail or epic win? One would think that's a VERY easy question, but no. There obviously are people that love epic fails. Ie:Mythic.

Sorry for off topic!


To be honest I think there are more chances that experienced people finally learn their mistakes and release a good product, then for a fresh, unexperienced company to release their first product and be good xD

  PsychoticHamster

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9/08/13 9:08:51 AM#35
It uses Bethesda's work as a springboard, but ZOS kind of does their own thing in terms of palette and tone. Im interested to see what the areas Bethesda hasn't done yet look like, and whether they will follow ZOS's lead if they do cover them later on.

  Sengi

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OP  9/08/13 9:10:43 AM#36

I haven't posted in this thread before, because I didn't want to influence the poll. The reason I made the poll to see what level of approval ESO reaches with its art style and compare it to EQN. So you where kind of part of an experiment. I have just made a new thread in the EQN forum. (link) Feel free to join me over there.

I come to the conclusion that almost to 90% of people like the realistic and gritty direction ESO has taken with its art style, while less then 50% say they like EQNs cartoony graphics.

 

I'm a big fan of ESOs darker and more realistic graphics. Bethesda has always proven a very solid sense of taste. SOE is running into a dead end with the art style they have chosen for EQN. It is pulling down the whole game.

 

The arguments I brought up in my initial post are not my own. This is what SOE keeps telling us on the reasons they had for choosing this kind of art style. If you ask me these arguments are just devices to quantify the technical benefit of an art style to sell it to someone who is used to think in terms of use-value analysis, which is a ridiculous way to deal with art in my opinion.

  Bigmamajama

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9/08/13 9:20:03 AM#37

Ya I remember when polyester suits were cool, pet rocks, new wave, the 80's mustang,   So now that there is a terrible new trend inflicting MMO's lets just embrace it.

No thanks Ill see it for what it is, bad graphics, and we can add it to this list in 10  years.

So many sheep in this world.

  Reklaw

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9/08/13 11:25:46 AM#38

I voted: I would like the art style to be even more realistic and/or darker and grittier.

But that doesn't mean I wouldn't give ESO a try if it was more stylized or cartoony.

  Mr.Kujo

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9/08/13 1:52:36 PM#39
Originally posted by Bigmamajama

Ya I remember when polyester suits were cool, pet rocks, new wave, the 80's mustang,   So now that there is a terrible new trend inflicting MMO's lets just embrace it.

No thanks Ill see it for what it is, bad graphics, and we can add it to this list in 10  years.

So many sheep in this world.

 

I dont understand, what is trend? Cartoony graphics? You mean something that is in games since the beginning? Hmm, how can something that was there since day one up until now be a trend?

  Shadanwolf

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9/08/13 3:49:37 PM#40

AOC's graphics are the best I've ever seen....IMO.

EQN...WILD STAR...WOW   the worst.

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