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  ariboersma

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Joined: 9/26/11
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9/05/13 7:19:43 PM#41
Originally posted by -aLpHa-

From all the videos i saw i am flabbergasted how Bethesda can have the balls releasing this pile of ..., i just hope they don't break their necks on this project, i want my Fallout 4 :(.

Bethesda should really think about firing everyone in the animation team and replace them with trained monkey's, i think this would improve their odds.

FYI not one video out there does the game any justice.

  vmoped

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9/05/13 7:23:03 PM#42

I would suggest holding out for a beta invite or an open beta prior to launch.  That way you can vote with your wallet.  If your son is so into it, just buy him a copy and see if it is your cup of tea if you are unable to play before launch.  I can tell you there is a beta.  I can tell you I plan to purchase and play this game for launch.

Cheers!

MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S

  Kaneth

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9/05/13 7:29:41 PM#43
Originally posted by vmoped

I would suggest holding out for a beta invite or an open beta prior to launch.  That way you can vote with your wallet.  If your son is so into it, just buy him a copy and see if it is your cup of tea if you are unable to play before launch.  I can tell you there is a beta.  I can tell you I plan to purchase and play this game for launch.

Cheers!

First to the OP: Props on being a good dad. My daughter just turned 7 and she is playing Minecraft now, I really can't wait to do some more gaming with her.

For the quote: Best advice possible here. I would say, get two copies if the son is into it, that way Dad is there too, but allow the other kids to make toons on the father's account to see how well they like it as well.

My personal feelings on the matter: I am a long time mmo vet and a fan of the ESO series (Morrowind was my first game). If the game was B2P, I'd pick it up just because it's an ES game. So I am closely watching what ZO does with this, because as of right now I won't buy if there's a sub. I am invested into FF14, and ESO would be more of a casual gaming thing for me (much of what Skyrim has become for me).

  AlBQuirky

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9/05/13 7:32:03 PM#44


Originally posted by olepi
My feeling after, uh, seeing the game up close, is that it is an Elder Scrolls MMO. If you like Elder Scrolls games, you will probably like this, and if you like MMO's, you'll probably like this.

It is an MMO first and foremost. If this was set in Azeroth, it would play the same. Tamriel and its lore is about the only "Elder Scrollsy" thing in the game.

I just asked them to cancel my beta account and let someone else in to test that will enjoy the game. Maybe your son will get one sooner :)

Zenimax Studios have created a world that I have no desire to play in. Their requirement of racial hatred seeps into every aspect of the game. The starter area is all about fighting "evil dominion" folks and fleeing to another area under siege by the Dominion. 80% to 90% of the questing revolves around the ongoing war. If PvP is your thing, you will enjoy it. PvP is not an Elder Scrolls thing. I know... single player games do not have PvP. That is why PvP centric MMOs created from single player games suck.

I won't say anymore.

- Al

Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
- FARGIN_WAR

  boxsnd

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9/05/13 7:34:36 PM#45
Seasoned bitter vet here. The era of me buying MMOs on day 1 is over. After countless mistakes (WAR, AoC, Rift, GW2, D3, MoP) I finally learned! Nowadays if the game isn't F2P I wait a few months after release to see how people feel about it when the hype has died down. If the game is great on day 1 it will be even better a few months later. A good indicator is its population: If it goes down after release I pass, if it steadily rises I might consider buying it. It's already paying off as I avoided another mistake (simcity 5).

DAoC - Excalibur & Camlann

  Yaevindusk

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9/05/13 7:40:38 PM#46

 

I don't believe that any amount of experience justifies placing judgement on a game without getting at least one max level in said game.  Though from a business point of view I'm slightly fearful in that they recently said that they wanted to make this like the next iteration of the Elder Scrolls, yet it's majority fanbase is used to buying the game and using microtransactions for additional content and not a monthly fee.  How many computer only ESO fans are there when compared to console?  To add to that, how many of those computer fans actually play MMOs?  How many of those are willing to still pay monthly fees?

 

Those are actually questions and not simply questions that answer.

 

There must something that some of us aren't seeing here.  Perhaps some information that hasn't been released yet.

When faced with strife or discontent, the true nature of a man is brought forth. It is then when we see the character of the individual. It is then we are able to tell if he is mature enough to grin and bare it, or subject his fellow man to his complaints and woes.

  Hrica

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"Yesterday is history, Tomorrow a mystery, and today is a gift"

9/05/13 7:41:30 PM#47
Originally posted by Husvik

First off i'm buying the game so lets not take this as a troll, this is costing me mucho dollars.

 

I'll try and nutshell this.

My one son (early teen), lives, eats, breathes ESO, i send him every single thing i come across and he yaks my head off about it all the time. On my vacation i let him go without stopping him and he talked for 3 hours, THREE HOURS, thought my head was going to blow. Heck, i'm not even think negative about ESO around him, lol.

 

Bottom line i just want to buy him the game at launch, he wants the collector and all. He still firmly believes he is going to get a beta invite, and man i really wish he would too as he might realize it ain't all that and save me some moola, but this is why he prolly isn't getting an invite, they don't want the general pop to know something about the game. My feeling again. Heck you know his email and mine are prolly in the top 10 i was there to sign him up the moment it went live, ffs. Later he got discouraged waiting for months and has went on to use his brothers, sisters, mom's, grand parents email and not a word from ESO. Yet he still is waiting checks his email every day and checks in with everyone else.

 

So what I'm hoping that instead of buying 5 copies for the fam, pay a couple months only to find it goes F2P i'm looking for seasoned gamers such as myself to give me their 2 cents on this games direction.

 

My two cents is that the boys over ESO are in way over their heads, they continually say one thing then completely back peddle and do another, go straight into damage control, so fear full of creating any more bad press it's well, spineless.

 

I get a total feeling they are winging it as they go along but are prepared for all scenarios, such as monthly sub, F2P cash shop, box, sub, cs. I dunno they announce it and the initial community feedback was pretty bad. Since then they seem to say, or do whatever cause s the least amount of backlash. There is Cash Shop, now there isn't one, or isn't one until it gores F2P. Looked like it was going to be F2P until the overwhelming posiotiove feedback to FFXIV:ARR and Wild Star having subs, boys at ESO hands go shooting into the air OOOOOOHHHHH! OOOOOOHHHHH! OOOOOOHHHHH! WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A SUB TOO!!!!

 

Then i watch the vids and listen to what they have to say and it just screams we are over 5 years late to the mmo party. You know we thought we'd make this pretty looking game and collect money off the ES name, but uuhhh we snoozed.

 

Overall, this whole thing is just screaming SWTOR 2. All hype and arse kissing.

 

Honestly...in my opinion...I have a gut feeling of a IP being exploded....(like WAR, SWTOR, STO, FF14-first go round, etc ) we all fell for in the past.. and I do have a "gut" feeling this is just another

I really hate to be a negative Nelly..but look at the games cranked out in the last half decade, and how everything is going to leaching cash shops.

I do hope to the Good Lord that I am wrong....a ESO "good" game would keep this middle aged man even more out of shape...but the lack of good stuff has gotten me away from the desk :-)

Just my 2 cents

 

  Sargeras77

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Joined: 5/12/10
Posts: 44

By all that is holy do you see that enemy over there!

9/05/13 7:44:17 PM#48

So without mentioning whether or not I am in the beta......

I believe that they have the best intentions with ESO however I do think that it end up as a game with a relatively small following after the first couple months.... From what i've "SEEN" (hint hint) the combat just doesn't have the same weight behind it and overall other players just detract from the elder scrolls experience. Imo a better option would have been ESVI w/drop in drop out coop and pvp arenas.

 

Anyways just my quick two cents.

  Ratero

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Joined: 5/19/04
Posts: 322

9/05/13 7:44:53 PM#49
Originally posted by AlBQuirky

 


Originally posted by olepi
My feeling after, uh, seeing the game up close, is that it is an Elder Scrolls MMO. If you like Elder Scrolls games, you will probably like this, and if you like MMO's, you'll probably like this.


It is an MMO first and foremost. If this was set in Azeroth, it would play the same. Tamriel and its lore is about the only "Elder Scrollsy" thing in the game.

 

I just asked them to cancel my beta account and let someone else in to test that will enjoy the game. Maybe your son will get one sooner :)

Zenimax Studios have created a world that I have no desire to play in. Their requirement of racial hatred seeps into every aspect of the game. The starter area is all about fighting "evil dominion" folks and fleeing to another area under siege by the Dominion. 80% to 90% of the questing revolves around the ongoing war. If PvP is your thing, you will enjoy it. PvP is not an Elder Scrolls thing. I know... single player games do not have PvP. That is why PvP centric MMOs created from single player games suck.

I won't say anymore.

I don't want to hijack this thread but this touched on a recently sensitive nerve so I'm just going to say this and have done with it.  I'll not go into it further here.

I was perma-banned on Tamrial Foundry for trying to report to the Mod's that people wanted to actually capture, enslave, train and sell NPC Slaves in one of their posts.  I reported it twice and the second time I told them I was going to email the NAACP concerning this issue since they seem indifferent to the subject.  I'm a White 54 year old male from Alabama and this subject is like gas on a fire down here.  All I wanted to do it to delete the offending post.

Anyway... sorry for bringing that up here.

Ratero.

  Ridelynn

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Joined: 12/19/10
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9/05/13 7:48:09 PM#50

This whole thing smells a bit like LOTRO to me.

LOTRO isn't a horrible game, so don't get me wrong.

But before the announcement, the LOTRO hype was fairly big. It's a ~huge~ IP - probably on par with Star Wars as far as brand loyalty goes. It had a lot of neat "innovations" going for it - like the story mimicing the novels and capable of meeting notable characters from the story, the story going in chapters, the Hope/Dread mechanic, group Fellowship moves, monster play, and the ability to play musical instruments, among other things.

LOTRO did ok for a good while. It had a small but very tight knit community. It ultimately went F2P (being a Turbine title, it was one of the flagship initial F2P titles).

I won't say it's a better or worse game now, but I just feel that ESO will follow a similar trajectory to LOTRO - they both give me the same kind of vibe.

  Ratero

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9/05/13 7:48:34 PM#51
Originally posted by Kaneth
Originally posted by vmoped
 

First to the OP: Props on being a good dad. My daughter just turned 7 and she is playing Minecraft now, I really can't wait to do some more gaming with her.

For the quote: Best advice possible here. I would say, get two copies if the son is into it, that way Dad is there too, but allow the other kids to make toons on the father's account to see how well they like it as well.

My personal feelings on the matter: I am a long time mmo vet and a fan of the ESO series (Morrowind was my first game). If the game was B2P, I'd pick it up just because it's an ES game. So I am closely watching what ZO does with this, because as of right now I won't buy if there's a sub. I am invested into FF14, and ESO would be more of a casual gaming thing for me (much of what Skyrim has become for me).

Kaneth,

Firstly ... I totally love your Avatar.

Secondly ... I saved a copy of it off since I collect Avatars I'm fond of.

Ratero.

  User Deleted
9/05/13 8:37:48 PM#52

My gut feeling started off nauseated and ended up vomiting. I've been playing MMOs for nearly 12 years now; this title has many bad indicators that have signaled utter disaster like SWToR (well.. it wasn't THAT bad... it was still a Godsend compared to Dark and Light, or Vanguard).

I've also played and enjoyed the TES titles since Morrowind and wasn't very enthused to hear about an MMO based on TES lore where the lure of TES titles, at least for me, has been the gameplay much more so than the story that is simply incompatible with being online.

The worst indicator for any upcoming MMO title is secrecy and a lack of open beta weekends, etc.: If the game is not good enough to get people to purchase it in a "free trial", then chances are the game is bad. WoW, GW2, Rift, The Secret World and a few of the other big titles that were either wildly, or modestly successful had free trials and/or beta weekends.

Another bad indicator for any upcoming MMO (in my humble opinion) is a lack of explicit divulging of game-play mechanics: if you can't find a list of the specific mechanics in the game, chances are they are not confident with peoples' receptions, or they are aware that they are terrible.

The nail in the coffin for me was the 150 hr announcement, even if it is per faction. That many hours is completely acceptable for me for a single-player game, but MMOs, ESPECIALLY THOSE WITH SUB FEES, are meant to last for a digital eternity. I have to admit that the footage shown at the last event sort of threw me a curve ball, but after hearing about the 150 hr content... whatever speck of faith I had has been shaken.

TLDR: Product trials imply confidence in a product; a lack thereof usually the opposite. 150 hours per continent? Seriously?

  Shadanwolf

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9/05/13 8:49:14 PM#53

OP

I agree the game decision makers need a spine transplant.Seem the one they started with melted about 6 months ago.I was so excited by the early descriptions and direction of the game and with each succeeding month,more I see more and more decisions that take the game in a different direction form it's initial course.Frankly I just get to upset to hear the latest news and find more decisions I don't agree with.I've become rather stoic about the game and will just wait to see what the game turns out to be.I certainly won't consider buying it with out an extensive open beta period.

  Kuanshu

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9/05/13 8:52:07 PM#54

You say your son is in his early teens and he eats up every tidbit bout ESO that surfaces. I would say ESO is a safe bet based on these factors:

1) Your sons age and he can approach the game casually as this is the healthiest approach for a boy his age, considering school, extracurricular activities, friends, exercise, sleep, eating, etc...taking good care of oneself as a healthy gamer should (I speak from a vast amount of experience on this subject); Believe me living a balanced life while one games is best in the long run.

2) If your son has played Skyrim and the DLC expansions that go along with it and possibly early Elder Scrolls games this is a definite plus as Elder Scrolls Online is the name.

3) Subscription is a big plus as F2P would have doomed this game right from the start and if they can make paid DLC for Skyrim why does it not make sense for them to release content in a timely manner for subscribers? All this nonsensical talk about cash shop is talk and nothing more should be said about this nonsense.

4) Consider FFXIV just released and look at how many issues they are currently having. This actually affects pretty much any MMO that releases as even the most hearty beta tests don't resolve issues that arise once the game goes live. This is the nature of MMOs and will continue to be until computers can resolve issues in real time without affecting gameplay for users in real time.

5) Isn't it funny how many critics, skeptics, naysayers and all around judgemental blockheads come out of the woodwork when you ask for opinions or rather gut feelings, yet truly these are opinions moreso and nonetheless :) What Is so funny about it is how they are here incessantly and continually, offering their opinions especially considering it isn't conducive or necessarily warranted. Such is the nature of gaming forums as it is part of the purpose they serve.

6) This is going to be more of an introductory MMO for Bethesda/Zenimax and for enthusiasts to enjoy in the vast world of Tamriel. So far it seems like alot of aspects of the single player series as well as multiplayer and massively multiplayer aspects are going to be viable for players.

7) ESO is bringing more realistic graphics and real time combat to the world of MMOs as this is of great benefit to this genre. Any class can wear any armor, use any weapon, and do any type of crafting as overly defined roles aren't a part of ESO which is a good thing.

My son is in his teens as well and though he thoroughly enjoyed Oblivion and Skyrim he has his focus elsewhere these days and in no way am I going to interfere with this or his development other then in as being supportive and positive as I can be. Depending on when ESO is released for certain platforms (namely next generation consoles) will determine when and if I am going to participate. We live in precarious times as many of us are being overloaded and overwhelmed with all sorts of stimuli, though primarily technologically. Any MMO that is being released (even ESO) should notably deviate from mistakes of past MMOs; overly defined roles, boring quests, dailys, anything that caters to the grind/timesink, etc...and serve a more productive role for the many who participate in such activity in our society.

  Rusque

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9/05/13 9:10:05 PM#55

I think it's going to be better than expected if I'm being honest. Maybe it's because I'm not that hyped about it, but they only have to do a few things to provide a good ES experience.

 

Let players explore - I know a portion of the world will be blocked off until you cap, but the "questing" system sounds very TES so far to me. Happen upon a point of interest, rummage around, find a note that tells you about something in a certain locale, up to you to go do it or not. Let's not forget, all the TES games have had various questing methods.

They've all had the linear story quests, they've all had the multi-chain side quests, and they've all had the "oh this sounds interesting, I'm gonna go check this out" stumble upon quests. So far, I've seen nothing that says these three quest models won't be in the game. If you don't believe me, go load up any TES game and count fedex, talk to this guy, and kill 10 rat quests you are given. Their are plenty of them. People just overlook them because while they're doing them, they get sidetracked in the world.

 

Character customization - Again, it doesn't sound like they're deviating from the TES model of pick your traits and mix'n'match. Now, the only downside is that this will be in MMO form, which means players WILL look for optimal builds and then indirectly force people to follow those by only inviting players to groups if they are within those parameters. It always happens, but that's not because of developers, that's because of human nature. Even if something is 1% better, it will be considered the only "viable" build. Yes, it's dumb, do your best to avoid these types of people.

 

That's it. That's all they have to do to give us a TES experience. If they do manage to screw it up, then it'll be a shame. But TES games are pretty simple. Aim and click combat, few abilities available at any given time, lots and lots of bugs, a storyline, and a huge open world to play in with mix'n'match character building.

If anything, it has one of the more simple RPG formulas.

 

I say don't sweat it, I think we'll be pleasantly surprised this time around.

  redo123

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9/06/13 12:25:51 AM#56

Im buying the game for the next installment of TES.

If I play it a month, beat it, and then find nothing else appealing...it will have been money well spent.

 

I cant see them putting in a crappy story, and totally wrecking the TES feel.

Im willing to give a few sacrifices to my TES game for the sake of potentially being a decent mmorpg.  Haven't known these developers to make crap (though I am worried they are known for buggy games).

 

I think most here will end up hating it because it doesn't provide 5 years of uninterrupted 10 hour + a day content and consider it the biggest failure of the last 50 thousand years.  I cant imagine anyone even pays attention to these people anyway so who cares.

 

My point is I think a HUGE portion of the people who will buy this game have been, and are 100% ok, with buying a TES game and spending no more than 50 hours playing it before moving on. Yes they will come back for DLC.

Single player gamers are not nearly as retarded with games as hardcore mmorpg vets.

  User Deleted
9/06/13 12:35:28 AM#57

Sure, it could be the best thing for MMORPG players since spilt milk made a lifestyle for kittens. However, my gut is queasy about it leaving me to think that its likely just another overpriced three month wonder full of the same old crap we are all used to and worn out on that will get middling fan reviews in general and glowing praise on the pro circuit that we will all wish we hadn’t paid any heed to later. This instinctively leads me to avoid a launch day purchase and wait for the inevitable business model change and price reduction before even considering picking up the game to play so I don’t end up nerd raging in a forum thread like most people will.

  Destai

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9/06/13 12:40:04 AM#58
Originally posted by Skooma2

Thoughts from an Elder Scrolls single player games fan:

 

I believe that the MMO crowd considering this game will be put off by the race/faction lock.  (based on race, you can only play in your own territory's zones until you get to maximum level.)

I believe that the Elder Scrolls crowd will be put off by the fact that this is not going to be Skyrim Online.

 

I believe that the developers are going to have a hard time trying to balance between the two.

Very eloquently put. I feel the way you mentioned here. As an MMO player, I'm extremely put off by the faction lock and its implications. That really is the major game breaking feature for me. The focus on the PVP is a major detraction for me, I felt a more exploration heavy model would have been appropriate. As an Elder Scrolls player and fan, I had hoped for something more akin to borderlands 2. Team up with a few friends, explore Tamriel. A lobby based game would have been much more preferred to the model they're attempting - shoving Elder Scrolls into a DAOC sized hole. I wanted to have raids in the realms of Oblivion. I wanted to have faction quests for the factions we've experienced in each game so far. I wanted player housing. None of that is in the game. As an MMO gamer and an Elder Scrolls, I'm in both audiences and from both perspectives this game fails. I suppose I will see how I like it tomorrow. 

I find it distasteful they have the nerve, or foolishness, to ask for a subscription. I'm not sure why they thought that'd be a good idea, especially considering they're also launching on consoles - where a subscription has never succeeded. They've been met with either apathy, skepticism, or downright dismissal. They should have had at least the sense to remove the subscription barrier so people would just go out and pick up their game. The average console gamer won't. It seems to me that audience considers that expensive - even though it's not in comparison to the investment level required to enjoy most free to play titles. They're only launching with two of the major guilds. So far no word on any of the factions we've seen in the previous titles. What's worse is they think they can ignore that and still retain Elder Scrolls fans. I won't play another hollow game like Guild Wars 2. I think out of the all the titles on the horizon, Wildstar looks the most promising. 

  User Deleted
9/06/13 3:23:30 AM#59

I do not think it will be as bat as SWTOR however I do think it will be right up there with GW2. At first glance my thoughts are that this is yet another DAOC console esque Themepark hybrid. Another linear pve adventure island with structured PVP adventure games and lackluster pve difficulty. It will not do any one thing very well but it will make everything it does do insanely easy. Unless the combat system is amazing and the pvp battlezone is a masterpiece of coding more than likely it will end up being a center of the map zergfest which will get boring after about 3 days. Then when you do get bored, because even good battlegrounds get boring, what is there to do. Easy pve adventures followed by your average crafting system. Then the world itself is zero risk. 

 

  Grixxitt

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9/06/13 11:13:18 AM#60

Strictly speaking as somebody who was one of the haters who jumped all over Zenimax when they first came out and said things like "WoW-like interface and controls" "This is not an MMO" etc. all I can say is that I was wrong. 

So.....very......wrong

 

Having seen this game up close and personal I can say that if you or your son liked Skyrim then you will love this game. 

I can't and won't get into any details but this is not WoW in Tamriel, this truly is Elder Scrolls Online.

Tonight will be the first stress test where they have done a mass invite. My medium sized guild of 50-ish members has about 8 people invited to tonight's event so I would suggest that by tomorrow morning there will be videos and leaks pretty much all over the internet. 

Hell there is already several hours of gameplay available via torrent if you're really that curious about what this game looks and plays like.

The above is my personal opinion. Anyone displaying a view contrary to my opinion is obviously WRONG and should STHU. (neener neener)

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