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  Melkrow

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Joined: 12/06/05
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This is my quote.

9/03/13 9:27:24 PM#41
Originally posted by Tissmogi

Why the need to beat up other players? Is this some sort of inner rage that has to be taken out electronically? I never understood PvP fanatics and to be honest most of them are griefers taking pleasure in ruining other peoples fun.

There is no need for PvP ever, there is not even ONE good reason for PvP. It's childish, antisocial and completely pointless.

lol.... are you serious?

 

By your logic there would be no basketball, no soccer, no hokey, no boxing, no martial arts, no nothing, people would sit around and drink tea...and MAYBE play chess or checkers, because apparently if you compete that makes you a raging maniac...according to u.

 

There is no inner rage that needs to be taken out electonically (that's pretty stupid way to present an argument by the way), there is however supreme adrenaline rush and excitement when stakes are high in a video game.  Your heart starts beating really fast, your hands start shaking uncontrollably,  you start sweating, time slows to a crawl, you forget to breathe....and then it ends, win or lose, you are content because you've just experienced the ultimate fun playing a video game.

 

The above can rarely, if ever, be reproduced in a PVE setting, nor can they be reproduced in a no-risk mini-game type of PVP that most themeparks sport.  The only reliable way to reproduce such effect constantly is through HIGH RISK high reward PVP, in other words, full loot PVP game. 

 

PVE eventually gets boring, given enough time there will be no excitement to be had.  You killed the same boss over and over, farmed the same zone for weeks, got all your epic gear sets, beat all the boss mechanics, things get stale.  However, in PVP, things are never the same, things are always fresh.

 

That said, I hope they don't bother with PVP in FF14, because I have absolutely no faith that they would implement an exciting/meaningful/risky PVP system, so might as well not waste time on it and keep to PVE only.  PVP like in Rift, WOW, GW2, etc etc etc, is just an afterthought, risk-free watered down crap that just creates the problems for the game.  They either need to do it right or not do it at all.






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  Shatter30

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Joined: 1/08/10
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9/03/13 9:28:57 PM#42
Im going to PvP as Miner, go stealth and slow walk into your base and take it
  Comaf

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Joined: 7/13/10
Posts: 1145

I want an mmorpg where pvp matters, my enemies are not my race or class, and community matters.

9/03/13 9:33:11 PM#43
Originally posted by jayvierl

Let me start by saying, this is a great game. I've played the beta. I enjoyed to so much that I almost bought it.

The gameplay is perfect. The exact kind of mmo I , and most , were waiting for.

My only issue : There is no PVP!!!!. Like wtf?

I love PvE as much as the next, but lets face it. I want to test my abilities against my friends and people I don't know. I want something to do besides PvE content. 

I really love this game but PvE alone won't keep their play base high. They need to add PvP content asap. Maybe I will give this game another look if they do, until then. I will wait on EQN.

 

There will be pvp if you don't mind E-Sporting vs your own races and same classes.  This won't be Dark Age of Camelot, Elder Scrolls Online and certainly not Camelot Unchained.  Since every pvp game on the market is either free for all gang banger type guild wars, or 2-3 faction mirrored class race combinations in battlegrounds for flag capture - and IFf that doesn't bother you - then stick with it.  The pve is well done, in my opinion.

  echolynfan

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Joined: 1/26/10
Posts: 728

I ain't got a gat but I gotta soldering gun

9/03/13 10:01:47 PM#44
Originally posted by Shatter30
Im going to PvP as Miner, go stealth and slow walk into your base and take it

Hehe...I like you

Currently playing SWTOR and it's MUCH better than it was at launch.

  lizardbones

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9/03/13 10:59:13 PM#45


Originally posted by jayvierl
Let me start by saying, this is a great game. I've played the beta. I enjoyed to so much that I almost bought it.

The gameplay is perfect. The exact kind of mmo I , and most , were waiting for.

My only issue : There is no PVP!!!!. Like wtf?

I love PvE as much as the next, but lets face it. I want to test my abilities against my friends and people I don't know. I want something to do besides PvE content. 

I really love this game but PvE alone won't keep their play base high. They need to add PvP content asap. Maybe I will give this game another look if they do, until then. I will wait on EQN.

 




If I have read things in the past right, the Japanese in general are not big into PvP. Someone said they are adding PvP, which they probably will, but I wouldn't hold your breath for any sort of OW or FFA PvP.

I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  User Deleted
9/03/13 11:22:54 PM#46
They have already confirmed both arena style and warfront (open world faction based) PvP. You just have to wait a few months.
  Rinna

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Joined: 9/25/04
Posts: 387

9/03/13 11:25:56 PM#47
They say they're adding PvP ... I wish they wouldn't.  Lineage 2 has PvP.  All other games seem to have PvP... just go play a PvP game.  I am not looking forward to PvP in FFXIV.  I love the game the way it is right now and I really would love for this to be the one game out there where they didn't try and appeal to everyone.

No bitchers.

  dwarfkinglords

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Joined: 8/07/13
Posts: 62

9/04/13 12:26:01 AM#48
OP needs to do some quick easy research and it would have given him the answer instead of coming here complaining
  KcebEnyaw

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Joined: 11/24/09
Posts: 32

9/04/13 6:10:26 AM#49
Originally posted by dwarfkinglords
OP needs to do some quick easy research and it would have given him the answer instead of coming here complaining

It's just a Troll Thread. The OP doesn't actually care that FFXIV will have both Arena and 3-way Faction PvP. He's just upset that FFXIV has a Higher Hype rating than EQNext and it's horrible cartoon graphics.

  Ekadd

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Joined: 7/09/09
Posts: 241

9/04/13 7:01:08 AM#50
Originally posted by jayvierl

My only issue : There is no PVP!!!!. Like wtf? 

They will add 3 minigame PvP match for starts, probably will add more later..

  Alamareth

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Joined: 1/03/06
Posts: 591

9/04/13 7:44:12 AM#51

Somewhere within the 2.0 release, there should be PvP functionality with the Grand Companies.

That's pretty far out though...

If you like PvP (like me), you are just going to have to hold out and have some faith in Yoshida - who happens to be an intense PvPer.

  Tissmogi

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Joined: 4/03/11
Posts: 191

9/04/13 8:12:38 AM#52
Originally posted by Melkrow
Originally posted by Tissmogi

Why the need to beat up other players? Is this some sort of inner rage that has to be taken out electronically? I never understood PvP fanatics and to be honest most of them are griefers taking pleasure in ruining other peoples fun.

There is no need for PvP ever, there is not even ONE good reason for PvP. It's childish, antisocial and completely pointless.

lol.... are you serious?

 YES

By your logic there would be no basketball, no soccer, no hokey, no boxing, no martial arts, no nothing, people would sit around and drink tea...and MAYBE play chess or checkers, because apparently if you compete that makes you a raging maniac...according to u.

What does Basketball have to do with beating up other people and a game for that matter? Competitive sports have nothing to do with this and are something completely different. Exceptions are Boxing or any similar violent "sport" that in my opinion is not  asport at all. Violent sports and PvP serves the same purpose that it did in ancient Rome: To give the masses a release for their anger. Look it up, you might learn something.

  PAL-18

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Joined: 4/14/13
Posts: 740

9/04/13 8:34:42 AM#53
Originally posted by Tissmogi
Originally posted by Melkrow
Originally posted by Tissmogi

Why the need to beat up other players? Is this some sort of inner rage that has to be taken out electronically? I never understood PvP fanatics and to be honest most of them are griefers taking pleasure in ruining other peoples fun.

There is no need for PvP ever, there is not even ONE good reason for PvP. It's childish, antisocial and completely pointless.

lol.... are you serious?

 YES

By your logic there would be no basketball, no soccer, no hokey, no boxing, no martial arts, no nothing, people would sit around and drink tea...and MAYBE play chess or checkers, because apparently if you compete that makes you a raging maniac...according to u.

What does Basketball have to do with beating up other people and a game for that matter? Competitive sports have nothing to do with this and are something completely different. Exceptions are Boxing or any similar violent "sport" that in my opinion is not  asport at all. Violent sports and PvP serves the same purpose that it did in ancient Rome: To give the masses a release for their anger. Look it up, you might learn something.

And PVP is present in allmost every childrens bed time stories.

But for some reason MMO games are going further and further from fantasy stories.

I try to imagine a fantasy novel which is based on todays MMOs,goes something like this.

"Sith and Jedi made lots o babies and lived happily together the rest of their lives"

Thats exactly how todays MMOs are made of,the happy ending is the part which is only playable,theres no story,no reasons ,no history,nothing.

I could post tons and tons of material about how violent fantasy stories actually are but theres no need to,question is how people see MMO fantasy worlds so differently than they likes to watch or read fantasy stories.

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  StarI

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Joined: 1/18/06
Posts: 846

9/04/13 8:46:44 AM#54
Originally posted by Alamareth

Somewhere within the 2.0 release, there should be PvP functionality with the Grand Companies.

That's pretty far out though...

If you like PvP (like me), you are just going to have to hold out and have some faith in Yoshida - who happens to be an intense PvPer.

 

I can't believe such a boring straight forward game like this could have an oh so amazing and better PvP than other existing matured MMOs, anytime soon. And by soon I mean years (I agree it's far out).

  Tissmogi

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Joined: 4/03/11
Posts: 191

9/04/13 8:47:20 AM#55
Originally posted by PAL-18
Originally posted by Tissmogi
Originally posted by Melkrow
Originally posted by Tissmogi

Why the need to beat up other players? Is this some sort of inner rage that has to be taken out electronically? I never understood PvP fanatics and to be honest most of them are griefers taking pleasure in ruining other peoples fun.

There is no need for PvP ever, there is not even ONE good reason for PvP. It's childish, antisocial and completely pointless.

lol.... are you serious?

 YES

By your logic there would be no basketball, no soccer, no hokey, no boxing, no martial arts, no nothing, people would sit around and drink tea...and MAYBE play chess or checkers, because apparently if you compete that makes you a raging maniac...according to u.

What does Basketball have to do with beating up other people and a game for that matter? Competitive sports have nothing to do with this and are something completely different. Exceptions are Boxing or any similar violent "sport" that in my opinion is not  asport at all. Violent sports and PvP serves the same purpose that it did in ancient Rome: To give the masses a release for their anger. Look it up, you might learn something.

 

And PVP is present in allmost every childrens bed time stories.

You obviously do not understand bedtime stories. They are meant to educate you that violence is bad and that conflict can be resolved without violence, intelligence and wisdom wins over strength, good wins against evil. Exactly the opposite what you are trying to insinuate here.

But for some reason MMO games are going further and further from fantasy stories.

I try to imagine a fantasy novel which is based on todays MMOs,goes something like this.

"Sith and Jedi made lots o babies and lived happily together the rest of their lives"

Thats exactly how todays MMOs are made of,the happy ending is the part which is only playable,theres no story,no reasons ,no history,nothing.

Then you should play FFXI and FFXIV:ARR. They have story, ethernal conflicts, wars and the fight of good versus evil with a history (FFXI) that rivals LotR.

 

  StarI

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Joined: 1/18/06
Posts: 846

9/04/13 8:53:40 AM#56
Originally posted by Tissmogi

Why the need to beat up other players? Is this some sort of inner rage that has to be taken out electronically? I never understood PvP fanatics and to be honest most of them are griefers taking pleasure in ruining other peoples fun.

There is no need for PvP ever, there is not even ONE good reason for PvP. It's childish, antisocial and completely pointless.

 

/facepalmoftheyear

  PAL-18

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Joined: 4/14/13
Posts: 740

9/04/13 8:58:59 AM#57
Originally posted by Tissmogi
Originally posted by PAL-18
Originally posted by Tissmogi
Originally posted by Melkrow
Originally posted by Tissmogi

Why the need to beat up other players? Is this some sort of inner rage that has to be taken out electronically? I never understood PvP fanatics and to be honest most of them are griefers taking pleasure in ruining other peoples fun.

There is no need for PvP ever, there is not even ONE good reason for PvP. It's childish, antisocial and completely pointless.

lol.... are you serious?

 YES

By your logic there would be no basketball, no soccer, no hokey, no boxing, no martial arts, no nothing, people would sit around and drink tea...and MAYBE play chess or checkers, because apparently if you compete that makes you a raging maniac...according to u.

What does Basketball have to do with beating up other people and a game for that matter? Competitive sports have nothing to do with this and are something completely different. Exceptions are Boxing or any similar violent "sport" that in my opinion is not  asport at all. Violent sports and PvP serves the same purpose that it did in ancient Rome: To give the masses a release for their anger. Look it up, you might learn something.

 

And PVP is present in allmost every childrens bed time stories.

You obviously do not understand bedtime stories. They are meant to educate you that violence is bad and that conflict can be resolved without violence, intelligence and wisdom wins over strength, good wins against evil. Exactly the opposite what you are trying to insinuate here.

But for some reason MMO games are going further and further from fantasy stories.

I try to imagine a fantasy novel which is based on todays MMOs,goes something like this.

"Sith and Jedi made lots o babies and lived happily together the rest of their lives"

Thats exactly how todays MMOs are made of,the happy ending is the part which is only playable,theres no story,no reasons ,no history,nothing.

Then you should play FFXI and FFXIV:ARR. They have story, ethernal conflicts, wars and the fight of good versus evil with a history (FFXI) that rivals LotR.

 

Problem is that you dont seem to understand that there is fans of Big Bad Wolf and there is fans of Three Little Pigs + there is that Bear dude with 2handed club who usually gave a lesson or two to BBW, i was fan of him.

Try to imagine your own fantasy story about them,like we should be able to do in virtual fantasy worlds,its not the same anymore since Big Bad Wolf is not operating like he should.

 

So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.
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  psychosiszz

Novice Member

Joined: 9/18/05
Posts: 43

9/04/13 10:08:57 AM#58
Originally posted by Tissmogi
Originally posted by Melkrow
Originally posted by Tissmogi

Why the need to beat up other players? Is this some sort of inner rage that has to be taken out electronically? I never understood PvP fanatics and to be honest most of them are griefers taking pleasure in ruining other peoples fun.

There is no need for PvP ever, there is not even ONE good reason for PvP. It's childish, antisocial and completely pointless.

lol.... are you serious?

 YES

By your logic there would be no basketball, no soccer, no hokey, no boxing, no martial arts, no nothing, people would sit around and drink tea...and MAYBE play chess or checkers, because apparently if you compete that makes you a raging maniac...according to u.

What does Basketball have to do with beating up other people and a game for that matter? Competitive sports have nothing to do with this and are something completely different. Exceptions are Boxing or any similar violent "sport" that in my opinion is not  asport at all. Violent sports and PvP serves the same purpose that it did in ancient Rome: To give the masses a release for their anger. Look it up, you might learn something.

Wow just wow. MMO PVP is violent? lol. Also I'm a very laid back guy, not at all angry but I love PVP. Its the challenge of besting another human being, which quite frankly you can't get from PVE. Most of the PVPers I know as friends, arent the angry unsocialable people you make them out to be, quite the opposite.

PVP isn't childish its just another play style, its not anti-social as you need to work in a team and again its not pointless.

Also here are the reasons for PVP!

1. Risk vs reward (You risk death/gear/exp etc for greater rewards)

2. Teamwork! (unlike PVE, PVPers need to react to changes in a fight, where as PVE is pretty much predefined)

3. Adrenaline rush (nothing gets the blood pumping than winning a hard fight, never felt that in PVE and I have raided in the past)

4. Beating another player (Its hardwired in our brains to compete and to best others)

  Tissmogi

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/03/11
Posts: 191

9/04/13 10:53:25 AM#59
Originally posted by psychosiszz
Originally posted by Tissmogi
Originally posted by Melkrow
Originally posted by Tissmogi

Why the need to beat up other players? Is this some sort of inner rage that has to be taken out electronically? I never understood PvP fanatics and to be honest most of them are griefers taking pleasure in ruining other peoples fun.

There is no need for PvP ever, there is not even ONE good reason for PvP. It's childish, antisocial and completely pointless.

lol.... are you serious?

 YES

By your logic there would be no basketball, no soccer, no hokey, no boxing, no martial arts, no nothing, people would sit around and drink tea...and MAYBE play chess or checkers, because apparently if you compete that makes you a raging maniac...according to u.

What does Basketball have to do with beating up other people and a game for that matter? Competitive sports have nothing to do with this and are something completely different. Exceptions are Boxing or any similar violent "sport" that in my opinion is not  asport at all. Violent sports and PvP serves the same purpose that it did in ancient Rome: To give the masses a release for their anger. Look it up, you might learn something.

Wow just wow. MMO PVP is violent? lol. Also I'm a very laid back guy, not at all angry but I love PVP. Its the challenge of besting another human being, which quite frankly you can't get from PVE. Most of the PVPers I know as friends, arent the angry unsocialable people you make them out to be, quite the opposite.

PVP isn't childish its just another play style, its not anti-social as you need to work in a team and again its not pointless.

Also here are the reasons for PVP!

1. Risk vs reward (You risk death/gear/exp etc for greater rewards)

2. Teamwork! (unlike PVE, PVPers need to react to changes in a fight, where as PVE is pretty much predefined)

3. Adrenaline rush (nothing gets the blood pumping than winning a hard fight, never felt that in PVE and I have raided in the past)

4. Beating another player (Its hardwired in our brains to compete and to best others)

 

You are making very good points but the question remains: Why the need to compete by killing each other when there are other ways to compete?

Why can't you compete on a non violent level? There are challenges in good MMOs that let you "beat" other players in. There is no need for PvP at all to have competition. All violence based competitions are extremely simple and focused on one thing: beating someone up or killing them. In history they catered to simple minded folk as a means to keep them distracted. It still works to this day with the press and TV glorifying "The War on X" and simple sports like boxing or kickboxing, full contact and others.

You can dress it up all you want, but it remains the same.

 

  Naral

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/07/10
Posts: 754

9/04/13 11:00:29 AM#60

Hmm, no pvp, yes please.

I know it is coming, but there is really nothing wrong with a game without pvp, especially if it is designed that way from the ground up. What bothers me about pvp is not pvp itself, I actually enjoy it. It is when they try to balance the game for pvp and pve at the same time. They fix one thing, break another. Fix something for pvp, break it for pve. It was endemic in WoW back in the day.

That said, when pvp is not mandatory to enjoy they game, and you are only exposed to griefing toolbags on a voluntary basis, and they can implement it without buggering up the rest of the game, then go for it. No skin off my ass, and the more people the merrier...well, you know, after folks can log in.

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