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  Allein

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Joined: 6/11/13
Posts: 787

9/02/13 5:47:35 PM#121
Originally posted by Geschaefer

After many years of  being a MMORPG player, ive seen that old mantra -- (The devs cant please everyone) -- probably a few million times

For years ive agreed that they cant please everyone; but why in the name of god do they always chose to please children gamers.

I know right, VIDEO GAMES should only be designed with aging old men in mind. How dare they try to cater to a huge population of gamers that have access to disposable cash and that can spend countless hours playing while some of us actually have careers and social lives that don't revolve around gaming. Not to mention those "children" might have years and years of gaming to invest in a product, where some of us might not be gaming in a year or two do to real life obligations. So crazy.

I'm always blown away when "children" are top of the PVP charts and running high end raids in mmorpgs. Sometimes I feel so old and can't believe a 8 year old is my guild leader and running the whole deal from a computer they bought with their allowance.

Seriously though, I'm 31 and like everything that has been shown for EQN. I feel sorry for all the "adults" that obviously abandoned their inner child a long time ago.

I play VIDEO GAMES to be a kid again, not to feel old. I already play a realistic mature character the majority of the day, it looks exactly like I do, because it is me. I want to take a break from reality and have fun, not be punished by a game because it is designed only for hardcore serious gamers.

  donpopuki

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Joined: 4/06/12
Posts: 594

 
OP  9/02/13 7:01:02 PM#122
Originally posted by Allein

I know right, VIDEO GAMES should only be designed with aging old men in mind. How dare they try to cater to a huge population of gamers that have access to disposable cash and that can spend countless hours playing while some of us actually have careers and social lives that don't revolve around gaming. Not to mention those "children" might have years and years of gaming to invest in a product, where some of us might not be gaming in a year or two do to real life obligations. So crazy.

I'm always blown away when "children" are top of the PVP charts and running high end raids in mmorpgs. Sometimes I feel so old and can't believe a 8 year old is my guild leader and running the whole deal from a computer they bought with their allowance.

Seriously though, I'm 31 and like everything that has been shown for EQN. I feel sorry for all the "adults" that obviously abandoned their inner child a long time ago.

I play VIDEO GAMES to be a kid again, not to feel old. I already play a realistic mature character the majority of the day, it looks exactly like I do, because it is me. I want to take a break from reality and have fun, not be punished by a game because it is designed only for hardcore serious gamers.

I love you!

Seriously I get enough of the permadeath ultra realistic mmorpg called Life. Life is hardcore enough. I don't want to play some middle aged man with a back problem. 

  Zorgo

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Joined: 12/05/05
Posts: 2191

Who did wrong? The advertiser hired to sell the game or the consumer who put faith in advertising?

9/02/13 7:10:45 PM#123
Originally posted by Allein
Originally posted by Geschaefer

After many years of  being a MMORPG player, ive seen that old mantra -- (The devs cant please everyone) -- probably a few million times

For years ive agreed that they cant please everyone; but why in the name of god do they always chose to please children gamers.

I know right, VIDEO GAMES should only be designed with aging old men in mind. How dare they try to cater to a huge population of gamers that have access to disposable cash and that can spend countless hours playing while some of us actually have careers and social lives that don't revolve around gaming. Not to mention those "children" might have years and years of gaming to invest in a product, where some of us might not be gaming in a year or two do to real life obligations. So crazy.

I'm always blown away when "children" are top of the PVP charts and running high end raids in mmorpgs. Sometimes I feel so old and can't believe a 8 year old is my guild leader and running the whole deal from a computer they bought with their allowance.

Seriously though, I'm 31 and like everything that has been shown for EQN. I feel sorry for all the "adults" that obviously abandoned their inner child a long time ago.

I play VIDEO GAMES to be a kid again, not to feel old. I already play a realistic mature character the majority of the day, it looks exactly like I do, because it is me. I want to take a break from reality and have fun, not be punished by a game because it is designed only for hardcore serious gamers.

I agree. I'm 41 and now old enough to roll my eyes when I hear people in their 20s talking about making their magical cat people 'serious' looking. To me, that sentiment immediately gives away someone's youth.

There was a time period in the 70s when some people decided that Rock and Roll could be a serious, adult, sophisticated pursuit. We wound up with progressive rock bands that decided this looked like high art with true musicianship:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_hM1dtRolY

And then there was a group of people that thought all their 'seriousness' attached to rock and roll was completely missing the point. Rock and Roll was about being loud and having fun. Learn three chords and jam.  And so the response was:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy88-5pc7c8

 

I think the resistance against EQN ought to put on their capes and enjoy their 'serious' video games while we laugh at them and rock and roll.

 

 

  ropenice

Apprentice Member

Joined: 10/02/04
Posts: 584

9/02/13 7:43:57 PM#124
Originally posted by Zorgo
Originally posted by Allein
Originally posted by Geschaefer

After many years of  being a MMORPG player, ive seen that old mantra -- (The devs cant please everyone) -- probably a few million times

For years ive agreed that they cant please everyone; but why in the name of god do they always chose to please children gamers.

I know right, VIDEO GAMES should only be designed with aging old men in mind. How dare they try to cater to a huge population of gamers that have access to disposable cash and that can spend countless hours playing while some of us actually have careers and social lives that don't revolve around gaming. Not to mention those "children" might have years and years of gaming to invest in a product, where some of us might not be gaming in a year or two do to real life obligations. So crazy.

I'm always blown away when "children" are top of the PVP charts and running high end raids in mmorpgs. Sometimes I feel so old and can't believe a 8 year old is my guild leader and running the whole deal from a computer they bought with their allowance.

Seriously though, I'm 31 and like everything that has been shown for EQN. I feel sorry for all the "adults" that obviously abandoned their inner child a long time ago.

I play VIDEO GAMES to be a kid again, not to feel old. I already play a realistic mature character the majority of the day, it looks exactly like I do, because it is me. I want to take a break from reality and have fun, not be punished by a game because it is designed only for hardcore serious gamers.

I agree. I'm 41 and now old enough to roll my eyes when I hear people in their 20s talking about making their magical cat people 'serious' looking. To me, that sentiment immediately gives away someone's youth.

There was a time period in the 70s when some people decided that Rock and Roll could be a serious, adult, sophisticated pursuit. We wound up with progressive rock bands that decided this looked like high art with true musicianship:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_hM1dtRolY

And then there was a group of people that thought all their 'seriousness' attached to rock and roll was completely missing the point. Rock and Roll was about being loud and having fun. Learn three chords and jam.  And so the response was:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy88-5pc7c8

 

I think the resistance against EQN ought to put on their capes and enjoy their 'serious' video games while we laugh at them and rock and roll.

 

 

Seems like you are all missing the point and taking things to extremes about this. Bottom line, some people like more cartoony art style and over the top animations, while others like more realism and realistic gameplay. There is no right and wrong. People who like the more colorful, Disneyesque art are not all children or new gamers, and not all those wanting realism crotchety old men or hard core vets. The whole argument has gotten kind of ridiculous, as there isn't a right answer, but people take it so seriously and take or give offense to defend something that can't be proven right/wrong and won't change the others mind anyway.

As to the video/parkour thing, they should make it optional, or have other choices to fit the class/armor, or player preference. Ex. Have knight in full plate slide down side of hill/ridge instead of double-back axle flip.

  User Deleted
9/02/13 10:00:53 PM#125
Sorry, but I lost my "inner child" and "youthful innocence" when the Romulans invaded.
  Karble

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Joined: 6/13/09
Posts: 648

I play therefor I am

9/02/13 10:06:23 PM#126
Originally posted by donpopuki
Looking a lot better!

OMG!!!

My Druid Monk with six shooters dream...

Basically I pick whatever class can use duel guns, Then pick a few druid skills, then a few martial arts skills and move around like this as I shoot up the joint and cast swarm of bees and then ninja kick to the nuts!!!!!    BOOOM!!! dominated!!!!

  Rollcage8

Novice Member

Joined: 3/29/12
Posts: 62

9/02/13 10:32:30 PM#127

Overall game seems to be marketed similar to guild wars 2 ideals. 

Lots of flashy movement, open world filled with toys to pick up and throw or bash. 

Lots of flippy jumping as seen in the video.

Mix it with free to play and cosmetic cash shop and the ADHD kids play  for a whole 10 minutes everyday while buying cosmetic shinies off the cash store. 

Financial mmorpg success is achieved.

 

  IridescentOrk

Novice Member

Joined: 5/27/13
Posts: 160

9/02/13 10:43:16 PM#128
woot

gameplay > graphics

  Greymantle4

Hard Core Member

Joined: 2/27/07
Posts: 659

9/03/13 12:56:59 PM#129
Looks like a arcade game to me not a MMO. To each their own but for me the interest has been dropping fast to the point that it's not even on my radar anymore. I was looking for a cross between EQ and SWG not AOW and GW2. 
  Apraxis

Elite Member

Joined: 9/28/05
Posts: 1437

9/03/13 1:19:02 PM#130
Originally posted by ropenice
Originally posted by Zorgo
Originally posted by Allein
Originally posted by Geschaefer

After many years of  being a MMORPG player, ive seen that old mantra -- (The devs cant please everyone) -- probably a few million times

For years ive agreed that they cant please everyone; but why in the name of god do they always chose to please children gamers.

I know right, VIDEO GAMES should only be designed with aging old men in mind. How dare they try to cater to a huge population of gamers that have access to disposable cash and that can spend countless hours playing while some of us actually have careers and social lives that don't revolve around gaming. Not to mention those "children" might have years and years of gaming to invest in a product, where some of us might not be gaming in a year or two do to real life obligations. So crazy.

I'm always blown away when "children" are top of the PVP charts and running high end raids in mmorpgs. Sometimes I feel so old and can't believe a 8 year old is my guild leader and running the whole deal from a computer they bought with their allowance.

Seriously though, I'm 31 and like everything that has been shown for EQN. I feel sorry for all the "adults" that obviously abandoned their inner child a long time ago.

I play VIDEO GAMES to be a kid again, not to feel old. I already play a realistic mature character the majority of the day, it looks exactly like I do, because it is me. I want to take a break from reality and have fun, not be punished by a game because it is designed only for hardcore serious gamers.

I agree. I'm 41 and now old enough to roll my eyes when I hear people in their 20s talking about making their magical cat people 'serious' looking. To me, that sentiment immediately gives away someone's youth.

There was a time period in the 70s when some people decided that Rock and Roll could be a serious, adult, sophisticated pursuit. We wound up with progressive rock bands that decided this looked like high art with true musicianship:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_hM1dtRolY

And then there was a group of people that thought all their 'seriousness' attached to rock and roll was completely missing the point. Rock and Roll was about being loud and having fun. Learn three chords and jam.  And so the response was:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy88-5pc7c8

 

I think the resistance against EQN ought to put on their capes and enjoy their 'serious' video games while we laugh at them and rock and roll.

 

 

Seems like you are all missing the point and taking things to extremes about this. Bottom line, some people like more cartoony art style and over the top animations, while others like more realism and realistic gameplay. There is no right and wrong. People who like the more colorful, Disneyesque art are not all children or new gamers, and not all those wanting realism crotchety old men or hard core vets. The whole argument has gotten kind of ridiculous, as there isn't a right answer, but people take it so seriously and take or give offense to defend something that can't be proven right/wrong and won't change the others mind anyway.

As to the video/parkour thing, they should make it optional, or have other choices to fit the class/armor, or player preference. Ex. Have knight in full plate slide down side of hill/ridge instead of double-back axle flip.

And some, i guess even most, don't care either way as long as it is well made. I really couldn't give less if it is stylized or more realistc graphic style, as long as it looks ok, and even more important as long as the game is worth playing.

And all the age comments. I guess as older you get as less you care about such trifles. Just some "serious" grown up (15)20-25 year old really can complain that it looks not adult enough.. anyone above 30 would not care. At least my stance on that.. and i am one of those 30+ years old.

But i am really baffled how so many can complain about such a unimportant part of a game, which really does a whole lot of stuff completely different than the last batch of MMOs. And at the end of the day, as with WoW, noone really cared about the graphic style, and played it nevertheless. I don't know anyone stopped to play WoW because of the graphic style, but i know a lot stopped playing because a lot of other reasons.

  Ozivois

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Joined: 4/17/10
Posts: 599

9/03/13 1:28:33 PM#131
Double jumps are nonsensical; you can't make a second jump in midair as there is no ground to launch your legs off of. Other than that, this seems to be appropriate content. I have seen this in other recent MMO's albeit to a lesser extent.
  grimfall

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Joined: 4/25/07
Posts: 1152

9/03/13 1:35:52 PM#132
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by TheHavok
So now i'm a little confused.  Are we going to be running around like in the video, doing crazy flips and matrix style moves while also doing our combat, kind of like Age of Wushu?  Or is this parkour stuff its own separate mode?

No, the way I understood it, we CAN move like this. I mean, if you glide down and move over small ledges, your character will animate like this, but high jumping and float you CAN do but have to do it actively.

I REALLY like this aspect. MMO chars were waaaay too stiff all these years. It is cool to see MMOs finally get characters who are capable of full 3-dimensional movement. :)

 

I dont understand why people are so acidic about this. Dont wanna jump, well then DONT. duh...

A hero is supposed to be a person on top form. I mean, you are going out killing dangerous stuff, so we can assume such characters are athletic and fit. It just adds some cool realism. Like swimming. The more realistic characters and worlds are, the better. (And before you tell me, REAL people cant jump like this, trust me, youtube it, some can. Plus, it is a MAGICAL world. So go figure.) it is just an EXAMPLE what you can do in the world. It is not that the game is a parcour game! Man, I swear sometimes I think some people just WANT to hate everything that is new! I know... unthinkable...

Look at the movies you took your icon from, and then point out  the times that Bilbo (or Gandalf or Strider or anyone) double jumped or had a blue flames animation come out of their back as they glided and get back to us.

The first stuff with hopping over the table, that was cool, but if you don't see that they've overdone it, which makes it not-cool, well, there's no hope.  You've lost perspective.

  Karble

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Joined: 6/13/09
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9/03/13 1:37:54 PM#133
Originally posted by Ozivois
Double jumps are nonsensical; you can't make a second jump in midair as there is no ground to launch your legs off of. Other than that, this seems to be appropriate content. I have seen this in other recent MMO's albeit to a lesser extent.

Double jumps are epic! Been doing those since nintendo started them up way way back. A double jump mid air helps get you further to a ledge you can't reach.....omg...

  GrayKodiak

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9/03/13 1:48:06 PM#134
Originally posted by grimfall
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by TheHavok
So now i'm a little confused.  Are we going to be running around like in the video, doing crazy flips and matrix style moves while also doing our combat, kind of like Age of Wushu?  Or is this parkour stuff its own separate mode?

No, the way I understood it, we CAN move like this. I mean, if you glide down and move over small ledges, your character will animate like this, but high jumping and float you CAN do but have to do it actively.

I REALLY like this aspect. MMO chars were waaaay too stiff all these years. It is cool to see MMOs finally get characters who are capable of full 3-dimensional movement. :)

 

I dont understand why people are so acidic about this. Dont wanna jump, well then DONT. duh...

A hero is supposed to be a person on top form. I mean, you are going out killing dangerous stuff, so we can assume such characters are athletic and fit. It just adds some cool realism. Like swimming. The more realistic characters and worlds are, the better. (And before you tell me, REAL people cant jump like this, trust me, youtube it, some can. Plus, it is a MAGICAL world. So go figure.) it is just an EXAMPLE what you can do in the world. It is not that the game is a parcour game! Man, I swear sometimes I think some people just WANT to hate everything that is new! I know... unthinkable...

Look at the movies you took your icon from, and then point out  the times that Bilbo (or Gandalf or Strider or anyone) double jumped or had a blue flames animation come out of their back as they glided and get back to us.

The first stuff with hopping over the table, that was cool, but if you don't see that they've overdone it, which makes it not-cool, well, there's no hope.  You've lost perspective.

Tolkein isnt the sole source of fantasy inspiration these days, anyone who has ever read a more recent R.A. Salvatore fight scene, which involves spinning and magic speed enhancing foot gear...

 

I am certainly not saying one is better than the other, just that there is more than one model to look at.

  Karble

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9/03/13 1:56:09 PM#135
Originally posted by GrayKodiak
Originally posted by grimfall
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by TheHavok
So now i'm a little confused.  Are we going to be running around like in the video, doing crazy flips and matrix style moves while also doing our combat, kind of like Age of Wushu?  Or is this parkour stuff its own separate mode?

No, the way I understood it, we CAN move like this. I mean, if you glide down and move over small ledges, your character will animate like this, but high jumping and float you CAN do but have to do it actively.

I REALLY like this aspect. MMO chars were waaaay too stiff all these years. It is cool to see MMOs finally get characters who are capable of full 3-dimensional movement. :)

 

I dont understand why people are so acidic about this. Dont wanna jump, well then DONT. duh...

A hero is supposed to be a person on top form. I mean, you are going out killing dangerous stuff, so we can assume such characters are athletic and fit. It just adds some cool realism. Like swimming. The more realistic characters and worlds are, the better. (And before you tell me, REAL people cant jump like this, trust me, youtube it, some can. Plus, it is a MAGICAL world. So go figure.) it is just an EXAMPLE what you can do in the world. It is not that the game is a parcour game! Man, I swear sometimes I think some people just WANT to hate everything that is new! I know... unthinkable...

Look at the movies you took your icon from, and then point out  the times that Bilbo (or Gandalf or Strider or anyone) double jumped or had a blue flames animation come out of their back as they glided and get back to us.

The first stuff with hopping over the table, that was cool, but if you don't see that they've overdone it, which makes it not-cool, well, there's no hope.  You've lost perspective.

Tolkein isnt the sole source of fantasy inspiration these days, anyone who has ever read a more recent R.A. Salvatore fight scene, which involves spinning and magic speed enhancing foot gear...

 

I am certainly not saying one is better than the other, just that there is more than one model to look at.

Here is your proof that real life people can pretty much double jump and do all the stuff in the game hehe.    Link here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEeqHj3Nj2c

  Karble

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9/03/13 6:47:01 PM#136
Originally posted by Karble
Originally posted by GrayKodiak
Originally posted by grimfall
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by TheHavok
So now i'm a little confused.  Are we going to be running around like in the video, doing crazy flips and matrix style moves while also doing our combat, kind of like Age of Wushu?  Or is this parkour stuff its own separate mode?

No, the way I understood it, we CAN move like this. I mean, if you glide down and move over small ledges, your character will animate like this, but high jumping and float you CAN do but have to do it actively.

I REALLY like this aspect. MMO chars were waaaay too stiff all these years. It is cool to see MMOs finally get characters who are capable of full 3-dimensional movement. :)

 

I dont understand why people are so acidic about this. Dont wanna jump, well then DONT. duh...

A hero is supposed to be a person on top form. I mean, you are going out killing dangerous stuff, so we can assume such characters are athletic and fit. It just adds some cool realism. Like swimming. The more realistic characters and worlds are, the better. (And before you tell me, REAL people cant jump like this, trust me, youtube it, some can. Plus, it is a MAGICAL world. So go figure.) it is just an EXAMPLE what you can do in the world. It is not that the game is a parcour game! Man, I swear sometimes I think some people just WANT to hate everything that is new! I know... unthinkable...

Look at the movies you took your icon from, and then point out  the times that Bilbo (or Gandalf or Strider or anyone) double jumped or had a blue flames animation come out of their back as they glided and get back to us.

The first stuff with hopping over the table, that was cool, but if you don't see that they've overdone it, which makes it not-cool, well, there's no hope.  You've lost perspective.

Tolkein isnt the sole source of fantasy inspiration these days, anyone who has ever read a more recent R.A. Salvatore fight scene, which involves spinning and magic speed enhancing foot gear...

 

I am certainly not saying one is better than the other, just that there is more than one model to look at.

Here is your proof that real life people can pretty much double jump and do all the stuff in the game hehe.    Link here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEeqHj3Nj2c

Ninja Kick!! Ninja jump! Ninja climb!

  fardreamer

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9/03/13 6:53:42 PM#137
breathtaking, wow!
  AmbrosiaAmor

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Posts: 738

9/03/13 7:48:21 PM#138
Triple jump go! Add some Tomb Raider/Street Fighter/Mortal Kombat moves and we'll have... a... um... something something something MMO that does something flashy!

  Holyavenger1

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9/03/13 8:57:35 PM#139
Originally posted by TheHavok
So now i'm a little confused.  Are we going to be running around like in the video, doing crazy flips and matrix style moves while also doing our combat, kind of like Age of Wushu?  Or is this parkour stuff its own separate mode?

Frm the interviews, they said parkour will be (and I'm paraphrasing) an added bonus feature integral to the move system.

But yeah, good point with the Wushu comment. Fuck, this doesn't look like parkour anymore, its freakin' "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" mode.

Hah.

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  Gallus85

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Joined: 3/13/11
Posts: 964

9/03/13 8:59:39 PM#140
Originally posted by TheHavok
So now i'm a little confused.  Are we going to be running around like in the video, doing crazy flips and matrix style moves while also doing our combat, kind of like Age of Wushu?  Or is this parkour stuff its own separate mode?

They wanted traveling* to be a sort of mini game / fun experience in itself.  A lot of MMORPGs have stale, pointless, boring time-sink traveling, or no traveling at all (insta-porting everywhere).

So they're doing a few things to change it up and bring some fun back into traveling.

1.  Free-Roaming.  The game is based almost entirely on horizontal progression, so it's a true free-roaming game, making exploring a part of the experience.

2.  Highly mobile characters that move differently through different environments and over different obstacles.

3.  Emergant AI, where the open world changes and is never the same as the day before.

This is not what combat is going to look like though.  Most likely the advanced movement will be disabled during combat to make combat controlled.  But before you enter combat, and afterwards, you can move much more freely.

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